We all can hope that Trump reverses his stance on this and avoid global war!

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We all can hope that Trump reverses his stance on this and avoid global war!

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Please diagram how this leads to a global war involving the US.

Still winning.

Ukraine can't win this war so if they won't concede from their original goals then screw them. Wish them all the best but they can pay for it themselves.

Props to Orban for calling out Putin as being weak

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LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.

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REPORTER to Zelensky: “Why don’t you wear a suit?! You’re in the highest level of this country’s office and you refuse to wear a suit. Do you own a suit?!”

“A lot of Americans have problems with you not respecting this office.” pic.twitter.com/UOYgOizYMb

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) February 28, 2025

Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.

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It's his choice what he wears. He doesn't have to wear what you want him to wear.

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This isn't American Idol. Dude want's to run a country and make a deal,

Show up.
Dress the part.

He clowning people and it's getting old.

Trump desperately trying to prevent WW3 and you got homeboy rolling up in a 5.11 outfit he ordered off Temu.

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You wouldn't like him any more if he was wearing a suit.

This whole anti-Ukraine thing is a circlejerk and nothing more.

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It's goes more to the guy showing up clowning everybody. It's getting old.

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.

Trump tells the guy this and he backtalks like a contestant on Shark Tank.

Trump trying to make a deal and end this mess one way or the other. But he negotiating with a guy with zero leverage.

And finally people raging because Trump showing favor to Russia don't understand this is straight out of Art of the Deal.

It's what Trump does. It's how he negotiates. He wrote it down for everybody in 1985.

Trump can't help you if you don't read the material.

Zelensky shows up unprepared.

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Burpelson said:

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We all can hope that Trump reverses his stance on this and avoid global war!

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Please diagram how this leads to a global war involving the US.

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Don't wanna bump the WW3 thread but I'll do it!

It really is crazy how hard Democrats get internationally when they're not in office. When they are in office, it seems they just give money to everyone not American, especially to those that hate America

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The Trump-Vance-Zelensky meeting wasn't strength or strategyit was a reckless display that weakened America and handed Putin a win. A real conservative foreign policy is about deterrence, alliances, and maintaining global influence, not performative grandstanding. Today, Trump didn't project powerhe projected unreliability.

Calling Ukraine aid a "grift" ignores history. Reagan armed anti-Soviet fighters, Nixon backed Israel, and Eisenhower kept Europe secureall to prevent hostile powers from expanding. If Ukraine were a corrupt puppet, Putin wouldn't have needed to invade. The real "grift" is pretending that letting Russia seize land will somehow lead to peace. Every broken agreementBudapest, Minskproves otherwise. Appeasement has never stopped a dictator, and it won't stop Putin.

This wasn't realism; it was isolationism dressed up as toughness. Nixon didn't strengthen U.S. ties by humiliating allies. Reagan didn't defeat the Soviets by calling them "whiny." Serious leadership means shaping the world to our advantage, not insulting partners on TV. Trump and Vance didn't advance American interests todaythey embarrassed them.

And for all the outrage over aid, here's the reality: U.S. support for Ukraine has been one of the best strategic investments in modern history. A fraction of our defense budgetmost of it spent on American-made weaponshas devastated one of our biggest adversaries without a single U.S. soldier in harm's way. Russia's military has been gutted, their global influence diminished, and their economy crippled. For a cost that's less than what we spent in a single year in Afghanistan, we've neutralized a major threat. That's not charity. That's a bargain.

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Good takes here.

Russia is in trouble long term. The decline in birth rates there signals tough times ahead and this war killing so many of their young men is only going to exacerbate it.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-birth-rate-putin-collapses-2025653

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We all can hope that Trump reverses his stance on this and avoid global war!

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Don't wanna bump the WW3 thread but I'll do it!

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Even if Russia completely conquers Ukraine it will not lead to WWIII.

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LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.

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REPORTER to Zelensky: “Why don’t you wear a suit?! You’re in the highest level of this country’s office and you refuse to wear a suit. Do you own a suit?!”

“A lot of Americans have problems with you not respecting this office.” pic.twitter.com/UOYgOizYMb

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) February 28, 2025

Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.

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It's his choice what he wears. He doesn't have to wear what you want him to wear.

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This isn't American Idol. Dude want's to run a country and make a deal,

Show up.
Dress the part.

He clowning people and it's getting old.

Trump desperately trying to prevent WW3 and you got homeboy rolling up in a 5.11 outfit he ordered off Temu.

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You wouldn't like him any more if he was wearing a suit.

This whole anti-Ukraine thing is a circlejerk and nothing more.

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It's goes more to the guy showing up clowning everybody. It's getting old.

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.

Trump tells the guy this and he backtalks like a contestant on Shark Tank.

Trump trying to make a deal and end this mess one way or the other. But he negotiating with a guy with zero leverage.

And finally people raging because Trump showing favor to Russia don't understand this is straight out of Art of the Deal.

It's what Trump does. It's how he negotiates. He wrote it down for everybody in 1985.

Trump can't help you if you don't read the material.

Zelensky shows up unprepared.

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If he is such a great deal maker. Tell me about a single concession from the Russia side. I've seen the laundry list of Ukrainian concessions that were discussed BEFORE the negotiations. In the art of the deal is there a chapter where he boasts about making a deal in 24 hours then throws a tantrum and walks out after months of discussions?

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It's kill or be killed.

There's little difference between modern humans and the apes at the beginning of 2001 a Space Odyssey.

Ape finds a bone and comes to the realization that he can a crack somebody's head open with it.

Half a million years later humanity is still defined by its capacity for violence.

It's 2025 and we got people doing trench warfare in Europe.

In winter.

People been fighting over the same patches of ground for 2-3000 years and Ukraine is one of 'em.

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Agreed. If Zelenskyy showed up in a monocle and top hat Trump would have still bent over backwards to not say a single thing mean about Russia and insulted Ukraine to their president's face.

And we'd be right here anyway.

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You realize that Russia is ready to negotiate right?
Trump wants peace. Putin is ready to talk. Zelensky is not.
Trump doesn't have to say anything aboutPutin. There's no reason to. Already has him at the table.

Zelensky is resisting because the negotiations will not get what he wants. That's problematic for Trump and getting peace. That's why his focus is on Zelensky. The barbs at Trump are just intellectually lazy and stupid.

Zelensky ****ed up today. He has three choices… kiss the ring, resign or lose American support and the rest of his country.

There's zero chance Ukraine loses the rest of their country even if we pulled all of our aid today

And Zelenskyy literally came to the table today to negotiate and Trump just made excuses for Russia.

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There's zero chance Ukraine loses the rest of their country even if we pulled all of our aid today

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Good. Then why do they need our help?
Problem solved.

As I've said, im not convinced they still need our help to maintain current lines. And zelensky probably knows that.

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There's zero chance Ukraine loses the rest of their country even if we pulled all of our aid today

And Zelenskyy literally came to the table today to negotiate and Trump just made excuses for Russia.

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Yeah that's just not true. Did you watch the conference? The entire brouhaha started after Zelensky went after Vance for suggesting negotiations with Putin.

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As I've said, im not convinced they still need our help to maintain current lines. And zelensky probably knows that.

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Then that's perfect. Keep Trump, Vance and America out of it. No need for him to come to the US again.

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There's zero chance Ukraine loses the rest of their country even if we pulled all of our aid today

And Zelenskyy literally came to the table today to negotiate and Trump just made excuses for Russia.

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Yeah that's just not true. Did you watch the conference? The entire brouhaha started after Zelensky went after Vance for suggesting negotiations with Putin.

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Actually it started after Trump started simping for Russia and it pissed off Zelenskyy and rightfully so.

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And for all the outrage over aid, here's the reality: U.S. support for Ukraine has been one of the best strategic investments in modern history. A fraction of our defense budgetmost of it spent on American-made weaponshas devastated one of our biggest adversaries without a single U.S. soldier in harm's way. Russia's military has been gutted, their global influence diminished, and their economy crippled. For a cost that's less than what we spent in a single year in Afghanistan, we've neutralized a major threat. That's not charity. That's a bargain.

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While I am rooting for Ukraine to hold on to as much of its territory as is realistically possible, I disagree strongly with both some of these assertions, as well as the general perspective.

First, Russia's military has not been gutted, its global influence diminished, and its economy crippled, and so I disagree with the assertion that Russia has been devastated, regardless of the cost to our defense budget or a single U.S. soldier being in harm's way.

Second, even if all of the above were true, Russia isn't our biggest, and most definitely shouldn't be, one of our biggest adversaries. Since the dissolution of the U.S.S.R. our biggest adversary has been and will continue to be for the foreseeable future Communist China. And unfortunately, the way we have treated Russia since the mid 1990s (expanding NATO to their borders, going to war against their Serbian allies, vilifying them for not being woke enough, etc.) has actually been counterproductive in terms of positioning ourselves most effectively to counter/contain our biggest adversary, Communist China.

In terms of our strategic interests, I would argue that instead of wanting a weaker Russia, it is actually in the long-term best interests of the United States, once the Ukrainian situation is resolved, to work toward a rapprochement with Russia, with the goal of eventually establishing a strategic partnership with them in order to counter our common (real) adversaries: Communist China and secular, left-wing globalism. While our short-sighted geopolitical decision-making over the last 30 years has helped push Russia toward Communist China, it does not necessarily have to be like that moving forward.

Toward that end a weaker Russia, especially a nuclear armed one, and this is my third point, actually runs contrary to U.S. long-term interests, as we should want a Russia that is both economically and militarily powerful enough to viably counter/contain Chinese ambitions in Eurasia, while at the same time being prosperous and self-confident enough to serve as an inspiration for and ally to the growing populist and nationalist movements across Europe.

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Agreed. If Zelenskyy showed up in a monocle and top hat Trump would have still bent over backwards to not say a single thing mean about Russia and insulted Ukraine to their president's face.

And we'd be right here anyway.

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You realize that Russia is ready to negotiate right?
Trump wants peace. Putin is ready to talk. Zelensky is not.
Trump doesn't have to say anything aboutPutin. There's no reason to. Already has him at the table.

Zelensky is resisting because the negotiations will not get what he wants. That's problematic for Trump and getting peace. That's why his focus is on Zelensky. The barbs at Trump are just intellectually lazy and stupid.

Zelensky ****ed up today. He has three choices… kiss the ring, resign or lose American support and the rest of his country.

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If Putin is really ready to negotiate why does the US need to do anything? Putin refuses to negotiate with Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy has already said he is willing to meet with Putin

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North Korean conscripts

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Another wild thing about all this.

We arguing based on morality but at the same time we doing trench warfare using conscripts.

In 2025.

We got this vision of morality, and some larger hope for morality. But arguing about all this from a moral position is like riding a bike with no seat.

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Trump wants peace. Putin is ready to talk. Zelensky is not.

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This is like a dinner where the people paying the tab are ready to close out and go, but a guest's +1 insists on ordering desert, coffee and cognac.

Trump called for the check and Zelensky turns around and asks for a menu.

Trump telling Zelensky "you are gambling with WW3." is the beginning of the end. That clip will get replayed until the end of time.

Whatever support Zelensky had is about to dry up. He missed the boat.

All he had to do was show up and act right. And he couldn't do that.

Admittedly part of the problem is that Trump is larger than life.

He's got his own gravitational pull that causes people to take untenable positions to their detriment.

And that's what likely happened here.

The guy goes into the oval office to negotiate with the most famous man in the world, and the man with more political mandate than anyone in the world.

They had Zelensky so hyped up about standing up to Trump that he butt fumbled on the goal line.

The guy went in there hyped up and tried to go toe to toe with two guys that are a foot taller and twice his size.

Zelensky got pumped up like Rudy but before he could make the tackle got de-cleated by a 6'6" TE.

This whole scene played out like some sick drug fueled delusion of grandeur.

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Admittedly part of the problem is that Trump is larger than life.

He's got his own gravitational pull that causes people to take untenable positions to their detriment.

And that's what likely happened here.

The guy goes into the oval office to negotiate with the most famous man in the world, and the man with more political mandate than anyone in the world.

They had Zelensky so hyped up about standing up to Trump that he butt fumbled on the goal line.

The guy went tin there hyped up and tried to go toe to toe with two guys that are a foot taller and twice his size.

Zelensky got pumped up like Rudy but before he could make the tackle got de-cleated by a 6'6" TE.

This whole scene played out like some sick drug fueled delusion of grandeur.

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Lol you continue to be one of my favorite posters on Texags. No homo

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Yeah, 'pumped' full of cocaine!! Do a deep dive on this claim; sure, he's no Hunter Biden (who's second only to Charlie Sheen), but I recall watching a video where it was absolutely clear he was high as a kite. Since coke gives some folks misplaced self confidence & bravado despite being ignorant of a situation, I'll bet money Zelensky was geeked out, which probably led him to become super testy when that much-needed bump he so desperately wanted wasn't available!

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Admittedly part of the problem is that Trump is larger than life.

He's got his own gravitational pull that causes people to take untenable positions to their detriment.

And that's what likely happened here.

The guy goes into the oval office to negotiate with the most famous man in the world, and the man with more political mandate than anyone in the world.

They had Zelensky so hyped up about standing up to Trump that he butt fumbled on the goal line.

The guy went in there hyped up and tried to go toe to toe with two guys that are a foot taller and twice his size.

Zelensky got pumped up like Rudy but before he could make the tackle got de-cleated by a 6'6" TE.

This whole scene played out like some sick drug fueled delusion of grandeur.

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well said

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