Old Sarge said:
Eliminatus said:
Old Sarge said:
agmeister said:
backintexas2013 said:
Ukraine isn't a position of strength. We don't have to have a deal. They do. They are the short stack at the table and they don't realize it.
Trump wants 1/2 trillion in minerals. And he didn't get it. I think that is the bottom line. Let's see how it plays out.
Ukraine owes us, bigtime. They don't have the cash to pay us back. However, they have rare earth minerals under their feet. They want our protection. They want to sell those rare earth minerals under their feet to the highest bidder and still demand our protection. They sell them to someone else, and we will not see the RTI. They are major grifters as well. Some of the arms we gave them ended up Mexican Cartel hands. WTF?
That **** does not fly.
We are willing to continue to protect you, and manage a peace that will save your son's, and all we want is some, maybe most of, what is under your feet and you'll keep most of your country from Russia. And you get high and mighty an mouthy while at it. I am hearing the reason they did the open discussion in front of reporters today was to share how Zelensky is so demanding and entitled behind the scenes. If so, it was eye opening and we all needed to see it.
Putin is a ruthless, evil POS. Zelensky is a pro grifter, who has a country that used to be part of Russia, and is profiting off of the war. We want the rare earth minerals under Z's feet, and will help him keep most of his country.
It's not hard Z.
This lie right here needs to die in a fire. There were NO security guarantees in the deal. Zero. None. Zilch. Absolutely nothing in writing. Zelenskyy was on board with the monies. He NEEDs the security guarantees and after the hell Ukraine has gone through in the last generation, I do not blame him. Hell, I agree with him.
This assumption that America will protect it's allies has long died and I agree with every nation that wants it in writing. Does that make Zelenskyy a tyrant and a grifter? Pfft. Absolutely not. This board I swear....
Zelenkskyy should not have lost his cool, but I also understand his position. He got ****ed over by Biden and now Trump is also stringing him along. For no purpose whatsoever, unless something has already been worked out with Russia. Which is literally the only thing I can think of at this point.
So, I guess the money funnel was completely cut off? So, if a deal for the rare earth minerals, which we would get most of, would not be protected/negotiated to help Ukraine so they could let us get these?
To add, I am pretty sure that any war/conflict that America has entered has had an agreement in writing with its allies, so that negates your worries. Did you not catch my comment that that armament that had been sent to the Ukraine ended up in Mexican Cartel hands? Did they sent it for free? They sold it. Where is the money? Zelensky is a grifter/dealer.
Ukraine owes us Billions. Its existence does not warrant our sons. We need rare earth minerals. This "barter" helps assure the $$$ grift does not continue.
Fly your "next thing" flag proudly.
Apparently you have not been informed of our conflicts and our allies in them in the past 50 years and what has happened to them when we invariably abandon them.
Mexican cartels huh. Would LOVE to see links of that please. Because every instance I have seen of that was EASILY disproven. One I did myself. Unless you are talking about that Carlson segment a few weeks ago. If so, wow. Even Trumps current advisors were calling that BS and the tiniest bit of critical thinking will immediately highlight the absurdity of those claims by Tucker.
Ukraine doesn't owe us anything. Like it or not, Biden gave that aid willingly. Even Trump in his more lucid moments weeks ago said he doesn't blame Zelensky for taking it.
Have no idea what you mean by fly my flag. Guessing it's some misguided attempt to ridicule me? Weird, but whatever.
Either way, I guess it doesn't matter. If you are down to following the likes of Tucker, nothing I say or show you will do anything and I must admit. Vice versa. So, agree to disagree.