well saidStat Monitor Repairman said:
Admittedly part of the problem is that Trump is larger than life.
He's got his own gravitational pull that causes people to take untenable positions to their detriment.
And that's what likely happened here.
The guy goes into the oval office to negotiate with the most famous man in the world, and the man with more political mandate than anyone in the world.
They had Zelensky so hyped up about standing up to Trump that he butt fumbled on the goal line.
The guy went in there hyped up and tried to go toe to toe with two guys that are a foot taller and twice his size.
Zelensky got pumped up like Rudy but before he could make the tackle got de-cleated by a 6'6" TE.
This whole scene played out like some sick drug fueled delusion of grandeur.
Old Sarge said:So, I guess the money funnel was completely cut off? So, if a deal for the rare earth minerals, which we would get most of, would not be protected/negotiated to help Ukraine so they could let us get these?Eliminatus said:This lie right here needs to die in a fire. There were NO security guarantees in the deal. Zero. None. Zilch. Absolutely nothing in writing. Zelenskyy was on board with the monies. He NEEDs the security guarantees and after the hell Ukraine has gone through in the last generation, I do not blame him. Hell, I agree with him.Old Sarge said:Ukraine owes us, bigtime. They don't have the cash to pay us back. However, they have rare earth minerals under their feet. They want our protection. They want to sell those rare earth minerals under their feet to the highest bidder and still demand our protection. They sell them to someone else, and we will not see the RTI. They are major grifters as well. Some of the arms we gave them ended up Mexican Cartel hands. WTF?agmeister said:Trump wants 1/2 trillion in minerals. And he didn't get it. I think that is the bottom line. Let's see how it plays out.backintexas2013 said:
Ukraine isn't a position of strength. We don't have to have a deal. They do. They are the short stack at the table and they don't realize it.
That **** does not fly.
We are willing to continue to protect you, and manage a peace that will save your son's, and all we want is some, maybe most of, what is under your feet and you'll keep most of your country from Russia. And you get high and mighty an mouthy while at it. I am hearing the reason they did the open discussion in front of reporters today was to share how Zelensky is so demanding and entitled behind the scenes. If so, it was eye opening and we all needed to see it.
Putin is a ruthless, evil POS. Zelensky is a pro grifter, who has a country that used to be part of Russia, and is profiting off of the war. We want the rare earth minerals under Z's feet, and will help him keep most of his country.
It's not hard Z.
This assumption that America will protect it's allies has long died and I agree with every nation that wants it in writing. Does that make Zelenskyy a tyrant and a grifter? Pfft. Absolutely not. This board I swear....
Zelenkskyy should not have lost his cool, but I also understand his position. He got ****ed over by Biden and now Trump is also stringing him along. For no purpose whatsoever, unless something has already been worked out with Russia. Which is literally the only thing I can think of at this point.
To add, I am pretty sure that any war/conflict that America has entered has had an agreement in writing with its allies, so that negates your worries. Did you not catch my comment that that armament that had been sent to the Ukraine ended up in Mexican Cartel hands? Did they sent it for free? They sold it. Where is the money? Zelensky is a grifter/dealer.
Ukraine owes us Billions. Its existence does not warrant our sons. We need rare earth minerals. This "barter" helps assure the $$$ grift does not continue.
Fly your "next thing" flag proudly.
Urban Ag said:well saidStat Monitor Repairman said:
Admittedly part of the problem is that Trump is larger than life.
He's got his own gravitational pull that causes people to take untenable positions to their detriment.
And that's what likely happened here.
The guy goes into the oval office to negotiate with the most famous man in the world, and the man with more political mandate than anyone in the world.
They had Zelensky so hyped up about standing up to Trump that he butt fumbled on the goal line.
The guy went in there hyped up and tried to go toe to toe with two guys that are a foot taller and twice his size.
Zelensky got pumped up like Rudy but before he could make the tackle got de-cleated by a 6'6" TE.
This whole scene played out like some sick drug fueled delusion of grandeur.
You talk like we are dropping suitcases of cash over Kiev. Trump wants stuff made in America (and so do I) and one of the things we still make here better than anyone (thank goodness) is the stuff that can win a war-- stuff made by middle class Americans.samurai_science said:Zona81 said:Sweet Grift??? Okay.Street Fighter said:It's not that, but this dude is no hero nor is he brave. He can wear all the quasi-military outfits he wants and it won't change anything. And he'll keep it going as long as he can keep banking money away; once that sweet grift runs dry he'll disappear like a roach when the lights come on.Teslag said:annie88 said:mallen said:
Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.
Dumbest take of the day.
A hero? What makes you think he's a hero?
Gosh, I remember when Trump was president the first time, the leftist media said what a horrible person Zelenskkt was that he was a fascist and a dictator, and Trump was a horrible person to try to deal with him. And then somehow he became a hero during the Democrats corrupt administration.
What a joke.
We are well aware that the the pro-russia side thinks a real hero would lay down and surrender.
But we have a draft-dodging reality TV star president that has been grifting off the public for 30+ years. Trump University is my personal favorite, but the list is a long one. Even the Bible got the Trump treatment. How much money is he conjuring up with his latest crap like the dopey trading cards, coins, watches? It never ends.
I don't care about that what I care about is spending money which will further put a burden on our middle class. Trump isn't stealing from the American taxpayers. The other guy is.
Bolded, above:Eliminatus said:Old Sarge said:So, I guess the money funnel was completely cut off? So, if a deal for the rare earth minerals, which we would get most of, would not be protected/negotiated to help Ukraine so they could let us get these?Eliminatus said:This lie right here needs to die in a fire. There were NO security guarantees in the deal. Zero. None. Zilch. Absolutely nothing in writing. Zelenskyy was on board with the monies. He NEEDs the security guarantees and after the hell Ukraine has gone through in the last generation, I do not blame him. Hell, I agree with him.Old Sarge said:Ukraine owes us, bigtime. They don't have the cash to pay us back. However, they have rare earth minerals under their feet. They want our protection. They want to sell those rare earth minerals under their feet to the highest bidder and still demand our protection. They sell them to someone else, and we will not see the RTI. They are major grifters as well. Some of the arms we gave them ended up Mexican Cartel hands. WTF?agmeister said:Trump wants 1/2 trillion in minerals. And he didn't get it. I think that is the bottom line. Let's see how it plays out.backintexas2013 said:
Ukraine isn't a position of strength. We don't have to have a deal. They do. They are the short stack at the table and they don't realize it.
That **** does not fly.
We are willing to continue to protect you, and manage a peace that will save your son's, and all we want is some, maybe most of, what is under your feet and you'll keep most of your country from Russia. And you get high and mighty an mouthy while at it. I am hearing the reason they did the open discussion in front of reporters today was to share how Zelensky is so demanding and entitled behind the scenes. If so, it was eye opening and we all needed to see it.
Putin is a ruthless, evil POS. Zelensky is a pro grifter, who has a country that used to be part of Russia, and is profiting off of the war. We want the rare earth minerals under Z's feet, and will help him keep most of his country.
It's not hard Z.
This assumption that America will protect it's allies has long died and I agree with every nation that wants it in writing. Does that make Zelenskyy a tyrant and a grifter? Pfft. Absolutely not. This board I swear....
Zelenkskyy should not have lost his cool, but I also understand his position. He got ****ed over by Biden and now Trump is also stringing him along. For no purpose whatsoever, unless something has already been worked out with Russia. Which is literally the only thing I can think of at this point.
To add, I am pretty sure that any war/conflict that America has entered has had an agreement in writing with its allies, so that negates your worries. Did you not catch my comment that that armament that had been sent to the Ukraine ended up in Mexican Cartel hands? Did they sent it for free? They sold it. Where is the money? Zelensky is a grifter/dealer.
Ukraine owes us Billions. Its existence does not warrant our sons. We need rare earth minerals. This "barter" helps assure the $$$ grift does not continue.
Fly your "next thing" flag proudly.Apparently you have not been informed of our conflicts and our allies in them in the past 50 years and what has happened to them when we invariably abandon them.
Mexican cartels huh. Would LOVE to see links of that please. Because every instance I have seen of that was EASILY disproven. One I did myself. Unless you are talking about that Carlson segment a few weeks ago. If so, wow. Even Trumps current advisors were calling that BS and the tiniest bit of critical thinking will immediately highlight the absurdity of those claims by Tucker.
Ukraine doesn't owe us anything. Like it or not, Biden gave that aid willingly.Even Trump in his more lucid moments weeks ago said he doesn't blame Zelensky for taking it.
Have no idea what you mean by fly my flag. Guessing it's some misguided attempt to ridicule me? Weird, but whatever.
Either way, I guess it doesn't matter. If you are down to following the likes of Tucker,nothing I say or show you will do anything and I must admit. Vice versa. So, agree to disagree.
Your comment prior to the election:Zona81 said:
You talk like we are dropping suitcases of cash over Kiev. Trump wants stuff made in America (and so do I) and one of the things we still make here better than anyone (thank goodness) is the stuff that can win a war-- stuff made by middle class Americans.
And Trump is ripping off hard earned dollars from the tax paying Americans that buy the crap he puts his name on. Trumpstore.com, the official merch store, has it all.
Old Sarge said:Bolded, above:Eliminatus said:Old Sarge said:So, I guess the money funnel was completely cut off? So, if a deal for the rare earth minerals, which we would get most of, would not be protected/negotiated to help Ukraine so they could let us get these?Eliminatus said:This lie right here needs to die in a fire. There were NO security guarantees in the deal. Zero. None. Zilch. Absolutely nothing in writing. Zelenskyy was on board with the monies. He NEEDs the security guarantees and after the hell Ukraine has gone through in the last generation, I do not blame him. Hell, I agree with him.Old Sarge said:Ukraine owes us, bigtime. They don't have the cash to pay us back. However, they have rare earth minerals under their feet. They want our protection. They want to sell those rare earth minerals under their feet to the highest bidder and still demand our protection. They sell them to someone else, and we will not see the RTI. They are major grifters as well. Some of the arms we gave them ended up Mexican Cartel hands. WTF?agmeister said:Trump wants 1/2 trillion in minerals. And he didn't get it. I think that is the bottom line. Let's see how it plays out.backintexas2013 said:
Ukraine isn't a position of strength. We don't have to have a deal. They do. They are the short stack at the table and they don't realize it.
That **** does not fly.
We are willing to continue to protect you, and manage a peace that will save your son's, and all we want is some, maybe most of, what is under your feet and you'll keep most of your country from Russia. And you get high and mighty an mouthy while at it. I am hearing the reason they did the open discussion in front of reporters today was to share how Zelensky is so demanding and entitled behind the scenes. If so, it was eye opening and we all needed to see it.
Putin is a ruthless, evil POS. Zelensky is a pro grifter, who has a country that used to be part of Russia, and is profiting off of the war. We want the rare earth minerals under Z's feet, and will help him keep most of his country.
It's not hard Z.
This assumption that America will protect it's allies has long died and I agree with every nation that wants it in writing. Does that make Zelenskyy a tyrant and a grifter? Pfft. Absolutely not. This board I swear....
Zelenkskyy should not have lost his cool, but I also understand his position. He got ****ed over by Biden and now Trump is also stringing him along. For no purpose whatsoever, unless something has already been worked out with Russia. Which is literally the only thing I can think of at this point.
To add, I am pretty sure that any war/conflict that America has entered has had an agreement in writing with its allies, so that negates your worries. Did you not catch my comment that that armament that had been sent to the Ukraine ended up in Mexican Cartel hands? Did they sent it for free? They sold it. Where is the money? Zelensky is a grifter/dealer.
Ukraine owes us Billions. Its existence does not warrant our sons. We need rare earth minerals. This "barter" helps assure the $$$ grift does not continue.
Fly your "next thing" flag proudly.Apparently you have not been informed of our conflicts and our allies in them in the past 50 years and what has happened to them when we invariably abandon them.
Mexican cartels huh. Would LOVE to see links of that please. Because every instance I have seen of that was EASILY disproven. One I did myself. Unless you are talking about that Carlson segment a few weeks ago. If so, wow. Even Trumps current advisors were calling that BS and the tiniest bit of critical thinking will immediately highlight the absurdity of those claims by Tucker.
Ukraine doesn't owe us anything. Like it or not, Biden gave that aid willingly.Even Trump in his more lucid moments weeks ago said he doesn't blame Zelensky for taking it.
Have no idea what you mean by fly my flag. Guessing it's some misguided attempt to ridicule me? Weird, but whatever.
Either way, I guess it doesn't matter. If you are down to following the likes of Tucker,nothing I say or show you will do anything and I must admit. Vice versa. So, agree to disagree.
Yes they do. BILLIONS. My tax dollars, ALL of our tax dollars, that BidenObama gave away, much of which was a grift back to US politicians. "Biden gave that aid..." ought to be a complete discredit to anything you have to say about helping anything. It was a grift.
Other:
Your are clearly flying the Ukraine flag. Everyone here can see it.
RE: Tucker:
Yeah, better than your crying beeches at CNN, MSNBC, on al, at nauseum.
Bolded, above:Eliminatus said:Old Sarge said:Bolded, above:Eliminatus said:Old Sarge said:So, I guess the money funnel was completely cut off? So, if a deal for the rare earth minerals, which we would get most of, would not be protected/negotiated to help Ukraine so they could let us get these?Eliminatus said:This lie right here needs to die in a fire. There were NO security guarantees in the deal. Zero. None. Zilch. Absolutely nothing in writing. Zelenskyy was on board with the monies. He NEEDs the security guarantees and after the hell Ukraine has gone through in the last generation, I do not blame him. Hell, I agree with him.Old Sarge said:Ukraine owes us, bigtime. They don't have the cash to pay us back. However, they have rare earth minerals under their feet. They want our protection. They want to sell those rare earth minerals under their feet to the highest bidder and still demand our protection. They sell them to someone else, and we will not see the RTI. They are major grifters as well. Some of the arms we gave them ended up Mexican Cartel hands. WTF?agmeister said:Trump wants 1/2 trillion in minerals. And he didn't get it. I think that is the bottom line. Let's see how it plays out.backintexas2013 said:
Ukraine isn't a position of strength. We don't have to have a deal. They do. They are the short stack at the table and they don't realize it.
That **** does not fly.
We are willing to continue to protect you, and manage a peace that will save your son's, and all we want is some, maybe most of, what is under your feet and you'll keep most of your country from Russia. And you get high and mighty an mouthy while at it. I am hearing the reason they did the open discussion in front of reporters today was to share how Zelensky is so demanding and entitled behind the scenes. If so, it was eye opening and we all needed to see it.
Putin is a ruthless, evil POS. Zelensky is a pro grifter, who has a country that used to be part of Russia, and is profiting off of the war. We want the rare earth minerals under Z's feet, and will help him keep most of his country.
It's not hard Z.
This assumption that America will protect it's allies has long died and I agree with every nation that wants it in writing. Does that make Zelenskyy a tyrant and a grifter? Pfft. Absolutely not. This board I swear....
Zelenkskyy should not have lost his cool, but I also understand his position. He got ****ed over by Biden and now Trump is also stringing him along. For no purpose whatsoever, unless something has already been worked out with Russia. Which is literally the only thing I can think of at this point.
To add, I am pretty sure that any war/conflict that America has entered has had an agreement in writing with its allies, so that negates your worries. Did you not catch my comment that that armament that had been sent to the Ukraine ended up in Mexican Cartel hands? Did they sent it for free? They sold it. Where is the money? Zelensky is a grifter/dealer.
Ukraine owes us Billions. Its existence does not warrant our sons. We need rare earth minerals. This "barter" helps assure the $$$ grift does not continue.
Fly your "next thing" flag proudly.Apparently you have not been informed of our conflicts and our allies in them in the past 50 years and what has happened to them when we invariably abandon them.
Mexican cartels huh. Would LOVE to see links of that please. Because every instance I have seen of that was EASILY disproven. One I did myself. Unless you are talking about that Carlson segment a few weeks ago. If so, wow. Even Trumps current advisors were calling that BS and the tiniest bit of critical thinking will immediately highlight the absurdity of those claims by Tucker.
Ukraine doesn't owe us anything. Like it or not, Biden gave that aid willingly.Even Trump in his more lucid moments weeks ago said he doesn't blame Zelensky for taking it.
Have no idea what you mean by fly my flag. Guessing it's some misguided attempt to ridicule me? Weird, but whatever.
Either way, I guess it doesn't matter. If you are down to following the likes of Tucker,nothing I say or show you will do anything and I must admit. Vice versa. So, agree to disagree.
Yes they do. BILLIONS. My tax dollars, ALL of our tax dollars, that BidenObama gave away, much of which was a grift back to US politicians. "Biden gave that aid..." ought to be a complete discredit to anything you have to say about helping anything. It was a grift.
Other:
Your are clearly flying the Ukraine flag. Everyone here can see it.
RE: Tucker:
Yeah, better than your crying beeches at CNN, MSNBC, on al, at nauseum.
Sorry. That's just how that aid worked.No matter how much you rant and rave against it. Reality can be atough thing to accept, if you don't like it I guess, but I urge you to try. Though some of it was actually in the form of loans. Which some of those were waived by Biden. But not all I think.
And to be honest the only flag I have up is my old 1st MARDIV one in my bedroom. I'm ok with that. Though I also do support Ukraine in their war against Russia. I'm also ok with that.
And I can see that I am not really engaging with someone with adult level maturity that can actually maintain a discussion. Which is more or less par these days I am finding. No need to respond back.
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I can only assume his staff doesn't know what that is and didn't think to warn the boss because he walked straight into an ass-whooping that he brought on himself (Ed's got the whole excruciating thing here).
Now, I realize European manners are a whole different universe than ours, and I GET IT, DUDE. I really do. I understand this is a life-or-death thing for you.
There's been too much death.
However, I cannot recall a single instance in any of the meetings with EU members where Zelensky started a peevish argument with his hosts in full view of the press and right in the living room after his arrival.
Please correct me if I'm wrong - I don't think I am.
Judging by the Ukrainian ambassador's face during the set-to, I know I am.
Much more hilarity at the write up. Fact check: true.Quote:This isn't Zelensky's former Sugar Daddy's White House.Quote:
..."Americans witnessing this would not want Zelenskyy to be their business partner including me. I've never been more proud of Trump for showing the American people and the world, you don't trifle with this man."
"Vance was awesome!"
As a president himself, the least he should have done was show some manners until the doors shut behind the last reporter's ass.
He would have saved himself the all-American FAFO lesson in diplomatic etiquette of a lifetime.
I'll bet he wishes he'd thought of that.
NEWS: When asked if the minerals deal is still on the table, multiple top Trump officials said: Not today.
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) February 28, 2025
None of this drama premeditated. Trump officials were incredulous that some media outlets suggested it might have been. The greeting with Trump and Zelenskyy was warm,…
UKRAINE: Obama’s team including Anthony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and Alexander Vindman advised Zelensky to reject Trump’s deal in violation of the Logan Act.
— @amuse (@amuse) March 1, 2025
h/t @MatthewNichol5 pic.twitter.com/7hdL4lYzvh
2. Turn off the satellite systems, and tell Palantir to pause the targeting contract.
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) March 1, 2025
See what 72 hrs naked to their enemies results in.
There it is. Trump Cabinet member Scott Bessent says Zelensky already twice refused to sign a minerals deal with the U.S. under Trump. Twice. This 3rd time was most definitely planned.
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 1, 2025
pic.twitter.com/tnDB7a9a5r
💥Underrated Moment: In the middle of the Trump/Zelenskyy fireworks,Trump managed to find time to humiliate CNN’s Kaitlan Collins.
— Western Lensman (@WesternLensman) February 28, 2025
Again.
“You ought to focus on CNN on survival. Not asking me these ridiculous questions. Focus on surviving." pic.twitter.com/u4NmoaoyJp
Teslag said:
Apparently Reagan didn't read Art of the Deal and he brought the Russians to their knees without being scared of them.
Teslag said:
There's zero chance Ukraine loses the rest of their country even if we pulled all of our aid today
And Zelenskyy literally came to the table today to negotiate and Trump just made excuses for Russia.
You need to do a bit more research on your boy Zelensky. He's murderous scum.mallen said:
Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.
HarleySpoon said:Your comment prior to the election:Zona81 said:
You talk like we are dropping suitcases of cash over Kiev. Trump wants stuff made in America (and so do I) and one of the things we still make here better than anyone (thank goodness) is the stuff that can win a war-- stuff made by middle class Americans.
And Trump is ripping off hard earned dollars from the tax paying Americans that buy the crap he puts his name on. Trumpstore.com, the official merch store, has it all.
"And Trump will lose the general because of Trump……..Just like he did in 2020. The world's greatest grifter makes a boat load of money with each indictment. That's a scam that even Trump University couldn't even conjure up."
Clearly there is no cure for TDS and it colors fine folks on every issue.