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Yeah, 'pumped' full of cocaine!! Do a deep dive on this claim; sure, he's no Hunter Biden (who's second only to Charlie Sheen), but I recall watching a video where it was absolutely clear he was high as a kite. Since coke gives some folks misplaced self confidence & bravado despite being ignorant of a situation, I'll bet money Zelensky was geeked out, which probably led him to become super testy when that much-needed bump he so desperately wanted wasn't available!
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Admittedly part of the problem is that Trump is larger than life.

He's got his own gravitational pull that causes people to take untenable positions to their detriment.

And that's what likely happened here.

The guy goes into the oval office to negotiate with the most famous man in the world, and the man with more political mandate than anyone in the world.

They had Zelensky so hyped up about standing up to Trump that he butt fumbled on the goal line.

The guy went in there hyped up and tried to go toe to toe with two guys that are a foot taller and twice his size.

Zelensky got pumped up like Rudy but before he could make the tackle got de-cleated by a 6'6" TE.

This whole scene played out like some sick drug fueled delusion of grandeur.
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Old Sarge said:

Eliminatus said:

Old Sarge said:

agmeister said:

backintexas2013 said:

Ukraine isn't a position of strength. We don't have to have a deal. They do. They are the short stack at the table and they don't realize it.
Trump wants 1/2 trillion in minerals. And he didn't get it. I think that is the bottom line. Let's see how it plays out.
Ukraine owes us, bigtime. They don't have the cash to pay us back. However, they have rare earth minerals under their feet. They want our protection. They want to sell those rare earth minerals under their feet to the highest bidder and still demand our protection. They sell them to someone else, and we will not see the RTI. They are major grifters as well. Some of the arms we gave them ended up Mexican Cartel hands. WTF?

That **** does not fly.

We are willing to continue to protect you, and manage a peace that will save your son's, and all we want is some, maybe most of, what is under your feet and you'll keep most of your country from Russia. And you get high and mighty an mouthy while at it. I am hearing the reason they did the open discussion in front of reporters today was to share how Zelensky is so demanding and entitled behind the scenes. If so, it was eye opening and we all needed to see it.

Putin is a ruthless, evil POS. Zelensky is a pro grifter, who has a country that used to be part of Russia, and is profiting off of the war. We want the rare earth minerals under Z's feet, and will help him keep most of his country.

It's not hard Z.
This lie right here needs to die in a fire. There were NO security guarantees in the deal. Zero. None. Zilch. Absolutely nothing in writing. Zelenskyy was on board with the monies. He NEEDs the security guarantees and after the hell Ukraine has gone through in the last generation, I do not blame him. Hell, I agree with him.

This assumption that America will protect it's allies has long died and I agree with every nation that wants it in writing. Does that make Zelenskyy a tyrant and a grifter? Pfft. Absolutely not. This board I swear....

Zelenkskyy should not have lost his cool, but I also understand his position. He got ****ed over by Biden and now Trump is also stringing him along. For no purpose whatsoever, unless something has already been worked out with Russia. Which is literally the only thing I can think of at this point.
So, I guess the money funnel was completely cut off? So, if a deal for the rare earth minerals, which we would get most of, would not be protected/negotiated to help Ukraine so they could let us get these?

To add, I am pretty sure that any war/conflict that America has entered has had an agreement in writing with its allies, so that negates your worries. Did you not catch my comment that that armament that had been sent to the Ukraine ended up in Mexican Cartel hands? Did they sent it for free? They sold it. Where is the money? Zelensky is a grifter/dealer.

Ukraine owes us Billions. Its existence does not warrant our sons. We need rare earth minerals. This "barter" helps assure the $$$ grift does not continue.

Fly your "next thing" flag proudly.


Apparently you have not been informed of our conflicts and our allies in them in the past 50 years and what has happened to them when we invariably abandon them.

Mexican cartels huh. Would LOVE to see links of that please. Because every instance I have seen of that was EASILY disproven. One I did myself. Unless you are talking about that Carlson segment a few weeks ago. If so, wow. Even Trumps current advisors were calling that BS and the tiniest bit of critical thinking will immediately highlight the absurdity of those claims by Tucker.

Ukraine doesn't owe us anything. Like it or not, Biden gave that aid willingly. Even Trump in his more lucid moments weeks ago said he doesn't blame Zelensky for taking it.

Have no idea what you mean by fly my flag. Guessing it's some misguided attempt to ridicule me? Weird, but whatever.

Either way, I guess it doesn't matter. If you are down to following the likes of Tucker, nothing I say or show you will do anything and I must admit. Vice versa. So, agree to disagree.
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Urban Ag said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Admittedly part of the problem is that Trump is larger than life.

He's got his own gravitational pull that causes people to take untenable positions to their detriment.

And that's what likely happened here.

The guy goes into the oval office to negotiate with the most famous man in the world, and the man with more political mandate than anyone in the world.

They had Zelensky so hyped up about standing up to Trump that he butt fumbled on the goal line.

The guy went in there hyped up and tried to go toe to toe with two guys that are a foot taller and twice his size.

Zelensky got pumped up like Rudy but before he could make the tackle got de-cleated by a 6'6" TE.

This whole scene played out like some sick drug fueled delusion of grandeur.
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No, it wasn't. The same hero worship this board blasted the libs for over Obama and Biden is happening right before my eyes like they never insisted it was wrong to put politicians on a pedestal.
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samurai_science said:

Zona81 said:

Street Fighter said:

Teslag said:

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mallen said:

Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.


Dumbest take of the day.

A hero? What makes you think he's a hero?

Gosh, I remember when Trump was president the first time, the leftist media said what a horrible person Zelenskkt was that he was a fascist and a dictator, and Trump was a horrible person to try to deal with him. And then somehow he became a hero during the Democrats corrupt administration.

What a joke.

We are well aware that the the pro-russia side thinks a real hero would lay down and surrender.
It's not that, but this dude is no hero nor is he brave. He can wear all the quasi-military outfits he wants and it won't change anything. And he'll keep it going as long as he can keep banking money away; once that sweet grift runs dry he'll disappear like a roach when the lights come on.
Sweet Grift??? Okay.
But we have a draft-dodging reality TV star president that has been grifting off the public for 30+ years. Trump University is my personal favorite, but the list is a long one. Even the Bible got the Trump treatment. How much money is he conjuring up with his latest crap like the dopey trading cards, coins, watches? It never ends.


I don't care about that what I care about is spending money which will further put a burden on our middle class. Trump isn't stealing from the American taxpayers. The other guy is.
You talk like we are dropping suitcases of cash over Kiev. Trump wants stuff made in America (and so do I) and one of the things we still make here better than anyone (thank goodness) is the stuff that can win a war-- stuff made by middle class Americans.

And Trump is ripping off hard earned dollars from the tax paying Americans that buy the crap he puts his name on. Trumpstore.com, the official merch store, has it all.
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Eliminatus said:

Old Sarge said:

Eliminatus said:

Old Sarge said:

agmeister said:

backintexas2013 said:

Ukraine isn't a position of strength. We don't have to have a deal. They do. They are the short stack at the table and they don't realize it.
Trump wants 1/2 trillion in minerals. And he didn't get it. I think that is the bottom line. Let's see how it plays out.
Ukraine owes us, bigtime. They don't have the cash to pay us back. However, they have rare earth minerals under their feet. They want our protection. They want to sell those rare earth minerals under their feet to the highest bidder and still demand our protection. They sell them to someone else, and we will not see the RTI. They are major grifters as well. Some of the arms we gave them ended up Mexican Cartel hands. WTF?

That **** does not fly.

We are willing to continue to protect you, and manage a peace that will save your son's, and all we want is some, maybe most of, what is under your feet and you'll keep most of your country from Russia. And you get high and mighty an mouthy while at it. I am hearing the reason they did the open discussion in front of reporters today was to share how Zelensky is so demanding and entitled behind the scenes. If so, it was eye opening and we all needed to see it.

Putin is a ruthless, evil POS. Zelensky is a pro grifter, who has a country that used to be part of Russia, and is profiting off of the war. We want the rare earth minerals under Z's feet, and will help him keep most of his country.

It's not hard Z.
This lie right here needs to die in a fire. There were NO security guarantees in the deal. Zero. None. Zilch. Absolutely nothing in writing. Zelenskyy was on board with the monies. He NEEDs the security guarantees and after the hell Ukraine has gone through in the last generation, I do not blame him. Hell, I agree with him.

This assumption that America will protect it's allies has long died and I agree with every nation that wants it in writing. Does that make Zelenskyy a tyrant and a grifter? Pfft. Absolutely not. This board I swear....

Zelenkskyy should not have lost his cool, but I also understand his position. He got ****ed over by Biden and now Trump is also stringing him along. For no purpose whatsoever, unless something has already been worked out with Russia. Which is literally the only thing I can think of at this point.
So, I guess the money funnel was completely cut off? So, if a deal for the rare earth minerals, which we would get most of, would not be protected/negotiated to help Ukraine so they could let us get these?

To add, I am pretty sure that any war/conflict that America has entered has had an agreement in writing with its allies, so that negates your worries. Did you not catch my comment that that armament that had been sent to the Ukraine ended up in Mexican Cartel hands? Did they sent it for free? They sold it. Where is the money? Zelensky is a grifter/dealer.

Ukraine owes us Billions. Its existence does not warrant our sons. We need rare earth minerals. This "barter" helps assure the $$$ grift does not continue.

Fly your "next thing" flag proudly.


Apparently you have not been informed of our conflicts and our allies in them in the past 50 years and what has happened to them when we invariably abandon them.

Mexican cartels huh. Would LOVE to see links of that please. Because every instance I have seen of that was EASILY disproven. One I did myself. Unless you are talking about that Carlson segment a few weeks ago. If so, wow. Even Trumps current advisors were calling that BS and the tiniest bit of critical thinking will immediately highlight the absurdity of those claims by Tucker.

Ukraine doesn't owe us anything. Like it or not, Biden gave that aid willingly. Even Trump in his more lucid moments weeks ago said he doesn't blame Zelensky for taking it.

Have no idea what you mean by fly my flag. Guessing it's some misguided attempt to ridicule me? Weird, but whatever.

Either way, I guess it doesn't matter. If you are down to following the likes of Tucker, nothing I say or show you will do anything and I must admit. Vice versa. So, agree to disagree.
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Yes they do. BILLIONS. My tax dollars, ALL of our tax dollars, that BidenObama gave away, much of which was a grift back to US politicians. "Biden gave that aid..." ought to be a complete discredit to anything you have to say about helping anything. It was a grift.

Other:

Your are clearly flying the Ukraine flag. Everyone here can see it.

RE: Tucker:

Yeah, better than your crying beeches at CNN, MSNBC, on al, at nauseum.

"Green" is the new RED.
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Zona81 said:


You talk like we are dropping suitcases of cash over Kiev. Trump wants stuff made in America (and so do I) and one of the things we still make here better than anyone (thank goodness) is the stuff that can win a war-- stuff made by middle class Americans.

And Trump is ripping off hard earned dollars from the tax paying Americans that buy the crap he puts his name on. Trumpstore.com, the official merch store, has it all.
Your comment prior to the election:

"And Trump will lose the general because of Trump……..Just like he did in 2020. The world's greatest grifter makes a boat load of money with each indictment. That's a scam that even Trump University couldn't even conjure up."

Clearly there is no cure for TDS and it colors fine folks on every issue.
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Old Sarge said:

Eliminatus said:

Old Sarge said:

Eliminatus said:

Old Sarge said:

agmeister said:

backintexas2013 said:

Ukraine isn't a position of strength. We don't have to have a deal. They do. They are the short stack at the table and they don't realize it.
Trump wants 1/2 trillion in minerals. And he didn't get it. I think that is the bottom line. Let's see how it plays out.
Ukraine owes us, bigtime. They don't have the cash to pay us back. However, they have rare earth minerals under their feet. They want our protection. They want to sell those rare earth minerals under their feet to the highest bidder and still demand our protection. They sell them to someone else, and we will not see the RTI. They are major grifters as well. Some of the arms we gave them ended up Mexican Cartel hands. WTF?

That **** does not fly.

We are willing to continue to protect you, and manage a peace that will save your son's, and all we want is some, maybe most of, what is under your feet and you'll keep most of your country from Russia. And you get high and mighty an mouthy while at it. I am hearing the reason they did the open discussion in front of reporters today was to share how Zelensky is so demanding and entitled behind the scenes. If so, it was eye opening and we all needed to see it.

Putin is a ruthless, evil POS. Zelensky is a pro grifter, who has a country that used to be part of Russia, and is profiting off of the war. We want the rare earth minerals under Z's feet, and will help him keep most of his country.

It's not hard Z.
This lie right here needs to die in a fire. There were NO security guarantees in the deal. Zero. None. Zilch. Absolutely nothing in writing. Zelenskyy was on board with the monies. He NEEDs the security guarantees and after the hell Ukraine has gone through in the last generation, I do not blame him. Hell, I agree with him.

This assumption that America will protect it's allies has long died and I agree with every nation that wants it in writing. Does that make Zelenskyy a tyrant and a grifter? Pfft. Absolutely not. This board I swear....

Zelenkskyy should not have lost his cool, but I also understand his position. He got ****ed over by Biden and now Trump is also stringing him along. For no purpose whatsoever, unless something has already been worked out with Russia. Which is literally the only thing I can think of at this point.
So, I guess the money funnel was completely cut off? So, if a deal for the rare earth minerals, which we would get most of, would not be protected/negotiated to help Ukraine so they could let us get these?

To add, I am pretty sure that any war/conflict that America has entered has had an agreement in writing with its allies, so that negates your worries. Did you not catch my comment that that armament that had been sent to the Ukraine ended up in Mexican Cartel hands? Did they sent it for free? They sold it. Where is the money? Zelensky is a grifter/dealer.

Ukraine owes us Billions. Its existence does not warrant our sons. We need rare earth minerals. This "barter" helps assure the $$$ grift does not continue.

Fly your "next thing" flag proudly.


Apparently you have not been informed of our conflicts and our allies in them in the past 50 years and what has happened to them when we invariably abandon them.

Mexican cartels huh. Would LOVE to see links of that please. Because every instance I have seen of that was EASILY disproven. One I did myself. Unless you are talking about that Carlson segment a few weeks ago. If so, wow. Even Trumps current advisors were calling that BS and the tiniest bit of critical thinking will immediately highlight the absurdity of those claims by Tucker.

Ukraine doesn't owe us anything. Like it or not, Biden gave that aid willingly. Even Trump in his more lucid moments weeks ago said he doesn't blame Zelensky for taking it.

Have no idea what you mean by fly my flag. Guessing it's some misguided attempt to ridicule me? Weird, but whatever.

Either way, I guess it doesn't matter. If you are down to following the likes of Tucker, nothing I say or show you will do anything and I must admit. Vice versa. So, agree to disagree.
Bolded, above:

Yes they do. BILLIONS. My tax dollars, ALL of our tax dollars, that BidenObama gave away, much of which was a grift back to US politicians. "Biden gave that aid..." ought to be a complete discredit to anything you have to say about helping anything. It was a grift.

Other:

Your are clearly flying the Ukraine flag. Everyone here can see it.

RE: Tucker:

Yeah, better than your crying beeches at CNN, MSNBC, on al, at nauseum.




Sorry. That's just how that aid worked. No matter how much you rant and rave against it. Reality can be a tough thing to accept, if you don't like it I guess, but I urge you to try. Though some of it was actually in the form of loans. Which some of those were waived by Biden. But not all I think.

And to be honest the only flag I have up is my old 1st MARDIV one in my bedroom. I'm ok with that. Though I also do support Ukraine in their war against Russia. I'm also ok with that.

And I can see that I am not really engaging with someone with adult level maturity that can actually maintain a discussion. Which is more or less par these days I am finding. No need to respond back.
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Eliminatus said:

Old Sarge said:

Eliminatus said:

Old Sarge said:

Eliminatus said:

Old Sarge said:

agmeister said:

backintexas2013 said:

Ukraine isn't a position of strength. We don't have to have a deal. They do. They are the short stack at the table and they don't realize it.
Trump wants 1/2 trillion in minerals. And he didn't get it. I think that is the bottom line. Let's see how it plays out.
Ukraine owes us, bigtime. They don't have the cash to pay us back. However, they have rare earth minerals under their feet. They want our protection. They want to sell those rare earth minerals under their feet to the highest bidder and still demand our protection. They sell them to someone else, and we will not see the RTI. They are major grifters as well. Some of the arms we gave them ended up Mexican Cartel hands. WTF?

That **** does not fly.

We are willing to continue to protect you, and manage a peace that will save your son's, and all we want is some, maybe most of, what is under your feet and you'll keep most of your country from Russia. And you get high and mighty an mouthy while at it. I am hearing the reason they did the open discussion in front of reporters today was to share how Zelensky is so demanding and entitled behind the scenes. If so, it was eye opening and we all needed to see it.

Putin is a ruthless, evil POS. Zelensky is a pro grifter, who has a country that used to be part of Russia, and is profiting off of the war. We want the rare earth minerals under Z's feet, and will help him keep most of his country.

It's not hard Z.
This lie right here needs to die in a fire. There were NO security guarantees in the deal. Zero. None. Zilch. Absolutely nothing in writing. Zelenskyy was on board with the monies. He NEEDs the security guarantees and after the hell Ukraine has gone through in the last generation, I do not blame him. Hell, I agree with him.

This assumption that America will protect it's allies has long died and I agree with every nation that wants it in writing. Does that make Zelenskyy a tyrant and a grifter? Pfft. Absolutely not. This board I swear....

Zelenkskyy should not have lost his cool, but I also understand his position. He got ****ed over by Biden and now Trump is also stringing him along. For no purpose whatsoever, unless something has already been worked out with Russia. Which is literally the only thing I can think of at this point.
So, I guess the money funnel was completely cut off? So, if a deal for the rare earth minerals, which we would get most of, would not be protected/negotiated to help Ukraine so they could let us get these?

To add, I am pretty sure that any war/conflict that America has entered has had an agreement in writing with its allies, so that negates your worries. Did you not catch my comment that that armament that had been sent to the Ukraine ended up in Mexican Cartel hands? Did they sent it for free? They sold it. Where is the money? Zelensky is a grifter/dealer.

Ukraine owes us Billions. Its existence does not warrant our sons. We need rare earth minerals. This "barter" helps assure the $$$ grift does not continue.

Fly your "next thing" flag proudly.


Apparently you have not been informed of our conflicts and our allies in them in the past 50 years and what has happened to them when we invariably abandon them.

Mexican cartels huh. Would LOVE to see links of that please. Because every instance I have seen of that was EASILY disproven. One I did myself. Unless you are talking about that Carlson segment a few weeks ago. If so, wow. Even Trumps current advisors were calling that BS and the tiniest bit of critical thinking will immediately highlight the absurdity of those claims by Tucker.

Ukraine doesn't owe us anything. Like it or not, Biden gave that aid willingly. Even Trump in his more lucid moments weeks ago said he doesn't blame Zelensky for taking it.

Have no idea what you mean by fly my flag. Guessing it's some misguided attempt to ridicule me? Weird, but whatever.

Either way, I guess it doesn't matter. If you are down to following the likes of Tucker, nothing I say or show you will do anything and I must admit. Vice versa. So, agree to disagree.
Bolded, above:

Yes they do. BILLIONS. My tax dollars, ALL of our tax dollars, that BidenObama gave away, much of which was a grift back to US politicians. "Biden gave that aid..." ought to be a complete discredit to anything you have to say about helping anything. It was a grift.

Other:

Your are clearly flying the Ukraine flag. Everyone here can see it.

RE: Tucker:

Yeah, better than your crying beeches at CNN, MSNBC, on al, at nauseum.




Sorry. That's just how that aid worked. No matter how much you rant and rave against it. Reality can be a tough thing to accept, if you don't like it I guess, but I urge you to try. Though some of it was actually in the form of loans. Which some of those were waived by Biden. But not all I think.

And to be honest the only flag I have up is my old 1st MARDIV one in my bedroom. I'm ok with that. Though I also do support Ukraine in their war against Russia. I'm also ok with that.

And I can see that I am not really engaging with someone with adult level maturity that can actually maintain a discussion. Which is more or less par these days I am finding. No need to respond back.
Bolded, above:

Your excuse for aid, is MY tax dollars, and many on here. That is an excuse for grift. Tough to accept? That is why we have DOGE, thankfully. No need to urge me to try to accept grift. Biden waived his graft.

1st MARDIV: Thank you for your service. Why should you be OK with that?

Bolded again RE: maturity:

You have no idea, what adult level maturity is, and who you think you are having an adult level discussion with, young'un. Furthermore, your high'n mighty attitude should set down the hubris can.



"Green" is the new RED.
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Solid take over at hotair; "I need a cigarette and a cocktail after watching…"
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I can only assume his staff doesn't know what that is and didn't think to warn the boss because he walked straight into an ass-whooping that he brought on himself (Ed's got the whole excruciating thing here).
Now, I realize European manners are a whole different universe than ours, and I GET IT, DUDE. I really do. I understand this is a life-or-death thing for you.
There's been too much death.
However, I cannot recall a single instance in any of the meetings with EU members where Zelensky started a peevish argument with his hosts in full view of the press and right in the living room after his arrival.
Please correct me if I'm wrong - I don't think I am.
Judging by the Ukrainian ambassador's face during the set-to, I know I am.
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Quote:

..."Americans witnessing this would not want Zelenskyy to be their business partner including me. I've never been more proud of Trump for showing the American people and the world, you don't trifle with this man."
"Vance was awesome!"
This isn't Zelensky's former Sugar Daddy's White House.
As a president himself, the least he should have done was show some manners until the doors shut behind the last reporter's ass.
He would have saved himself the all-American FAFO lesson in diplomatic etiquette of a lifetime.
I'll bet he wishes he'd thought of that.
Much more hilarity at the write up. Fact check: true.

Peace and mineral deals off the table. Impetuous Green goblin can fly back to London-Paris-Berlin to beg for more, but they don't have the weapons he'd need to keep going much longer.

Was the show/deal a Logan Act trap for team Biden traitors?

Popcorn. Let's go Kash, time for an investigation.
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lol. I didn't realize Vladboy called Vance a female dog under his breath. What an ingrate.
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Sheryl Atkinson thinks it was euro's who told Zelensky to perform this way, not the old Biden cabinet. Not sure which one I believe.

Not a bad idea: maybe give the Euro's a 72 hour notice of this and let them turn on said funding/provide whatever targeting they can in lieu of our own.

Note that this was the third time Zelensky threw a temper tantrum about this:

I missed this hilarity in the middle of the show yesterday:
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No, the circle jerk is the war thread on this forum that you and Teslag post on all day everyday. It's embarrassing
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Teslag said:

Apparently Reagan didn't read Art of the Deal and he brought the Russians to their knees without being scared of them.

This isnt the same Russia.
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Teslag said:

There's zero chance Ukraine loses the rest of their country even if we pulled all of our aid today

And Zelenskyy literally came to the table today to negotiate and Trump just made excuses for Russia.

Not sure how you come to that conclusion after what went down. Z has had 3 chances to sign for peace but he doesn't want to. I wish you would move to Ukraine.
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Damn and I thought Biden/Harris was bad. These guys are a whole new level morons. Embarrassing. It's like we have high school bullies running the White House. I can't believe I voted for this *****
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mallen said:

Zelensky is a hero, Trump and Vance are imbeciles.
You need to do a bit more research on your boy Zelensky. He's murderous scum.
 
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