Trump-Vance-Zelenskyy

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.


It's his choice what he wears. He doesn't have to wear what you want him to wear.
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kgtg79 said:

dreyOO said:

I cannot fathom why any rational American would be defending Zelensky's antics right now. Not when we have so many problems on the homefront that are priority...and we've done MORE than our fair share to dig them out of that conflict.

Then it occurred to me. Trump has come out of the gate so hard for 30 days, there's a big part of this country that just can't stand it. Oh you found $50B in waste and fraud? We don't like it b/c we can't stand Trump. Some are progs, some are CMs, and some just can't stand the man, regardless of the issue.

So Z shows up acting like an ass, and Trump/Vance put him in his place. And a big number of idiots show up on this thread like there's something to dunk on Trump with. Just pathetic.

Here's how to fix it though: flip your FB profiles to Blue/Yellow again, start writing personal checks to a GoFundMe for Z, and sign your kids up for service overseas. Since you're all so passionate about Ukraine's 'freedom'.


Democrats aren't rational
And they hate America and everything we stand for.
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Zelensky has a a lot of Yasser Arafat in him. Way he dresses. Way he grifts.
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Teslag said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Teslag said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Teslag said:

Who?mikejones! said:

Its not the same world.

How would you help end this conflict if you were president?


Well for starters I wouldn't lay my cards down in the media at all. And if I did I'd let both sides know that they will have to give up something. And I sure as **** wouldn't play the innocent mediator that doesn't blame either side.

Russia doesn't have a lot of cards either. And yet we keep handling them with kid gloves. Trump once said that he'd get a deal and said that if Russia didn't play along he'd arm Ukraine to the teeth. And now he literally can't say a single negative thing about them.

Russia has plenty of cards. More than Ukraine. They have nukes. They'll keep throwing endless bodies at the fight and they already mobilized their industrial complex. They also now have China and North Korea as friends.


Russia doesn't have endless bodies. That's a myth. And it's always why they are now having to use North Korean conscripts

Ok, they still have nukes, are friends with China and NK, they have more bodies and more weapons. So yeah, they have more cards.


Nukes aren't much of a card unless you're willing to burn your own country down. And they are even less of a card in a simple land grab. Irradiating the country you want to take over doesn't make a lot is sense. And what will being friends with NK get them? More useless conscripts? More artillery rounds with an exceptionally high dud rate?

Russia is a shell of who they were.
If Russia was smart they would let US aid expire and maintain the stalemate while systematically exhausting Ukraines supply of manpads. Then focus on achieving air superiority and bomb the Ukrainian population into oblivion ala US/British bombing of WWII Germany. No more ground fighting until Ukraine is literally on fire.

Anything short of that would ensure an occupation with endless guerrilla warfare like in Afghanistan that I do not think the Russians can ultimately win.

The only real question is would NATO stand by and watch that happen to civilians.
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infinity ag said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.


It's his choice what he wears. He doesn't have to wear what you want him to wear.


When have you ever seen a visiting diplomat insulted for what he wears. The fact that anyone would think that was appropriate tells you everything you need to know. Who even asked this question?
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infinity ag said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.
It's his choice what he wears. He doesn't have to wear what you want him to wear.
This isn't American Idol. Dude wants to run a country and make a deal,

Show up.
Dress the part.

He clowning people and it's getting old.

Trump desperately trying to prevent WW3 and you got homeboy rolling up in a 5.11 outfit he ordered off Temu.
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The faux outrage over Zelenskyys wardrobe is one of the most ridiculous things about this war and that's saying a lot
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

infinity ag said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.
It's his choice what he wears. He doesn't have to wear what you want him to wear.
This isn't American Idol. Dude want's to run a country and make a deal,

Show up.
Dress the part.

He clowning people and it's getting old.

Trump desperately trying to prevent WW3 and you got homeboy rolling up in a 5.11 outfit he ordered off Temu.
You wouldn't like him any more if he was wearing a suit.

This whole anti-Ukraine thing is a circlejerk and nothing more.
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Agreed. If Zelenskyy showed up in a monocle and top hat Trump would have still bent over backwards to not say a single thing mean about Russia and insulted Ukraine to their president's face.

And we'd be right here anyway.
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We all can hope that Trump reverses his stance on this and avoid global war!
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Burpelson said:

We all can hope that Trump reverses his stance on this and avoid global war!


Please diagram how this leads to a global war involving the US.
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Still winning.
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Ukraine can't win this war so if they won't concede from their original goals then screw them. Wish them all the best but they can pay for it themselves.
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Props to Orban for calling out Putin as being weak
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Teslag said:

Deputy Travis Junior said:

Teslag said:

TxAgPreacher said:

Teslag said:

It's not our war to end.

Yes it is.

When you see a bully picking on a small kid with a lot of fight, but he stands no chance you break it up.

It's in our interest to say enough is enough.


Ya but you generally don't end it by telling the small kid to lay there until the bully is done beating the **** out of him. Then blame the kid for it.



Grow up. We're not going to hold productive peace negotiations with Russia if our representatives go excoriate Russia in the press every time they get up from the negotiating table.

Here's reality: Whether you think it's bull**** or not (and I tend to think it's bull****), Russia/Putin felt like they had to invade Ukraine to maintain their national security. Therefore, any fruitful negotiation must acknowledge and accommodate that belief. You have to say "yes I can see where you're coming from" and at minimum convincingly act like you mean it. The peace negotiations MUST address those security concerns in some way and you initially do that by acting like you're taking him seriously.

That's why Z sounded like such a dumbass today. He knows that's what we have to do but instead of sitting there like an adult, he threw a tantrum over it like a toddler.


Imagine Reagan telling his staff to be nice to Russia and not upset them. Jeez weve fallen far.


We can insult Russia all we want, but if we want to negotiate a peace treaty that avoids future wars, then we can't mock their concerns. We have to take them seriously.

Not sure how you're struggling with this concept. It's not complicated.
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kgtg79 said:

dreyOO said:

I cannot fathom why any rational American would be defending Zelensky's antics right now. Not when we have so many problems on the homefront that are priority...and we've done MORE than our fair share to dig them out of that conflict.

Then it occurred to me. Trump has come out of the gate so hard for 30 days, there's a big part of this country that just can't stand it. Oh you found $50B in waste and fraud? We don't like it b/c we can't stand Trump. Some are progs, some are CMs, and some just can't stand the man, regardless of the issue.

So Z shows up acting like an ass, and Trump/Vance put him in his place. And a big number of idiots show up on this thread like there's something to dunk on Trump with. Just pathetic.

Here's how to fix it though: flip your FB profiles to Blue/Yellow again, start writing personal checks to a GoFundMe for Z, and sign your kids up for service overseas. Since you're all so passionate about Ukraine's 'freedom'.


Democrats aren't rational
Agreed. I'm still disappointed in some alleged republicans that have missed big on this topic.

Z showed his ass today
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Tom Fox said:

Teslag said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Teslag said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Teslag said:

Who?mikejones! said:

Its not the same world.

How would you help end this conflict if you were president?


Well for starters I wouldn't lay my cards down in the media at all. And if I did I'd let both sides know that they will have to give up something. And I sure as **** wouldn't play the innocent mediator that doesn't blame either side.

Russia doesn't have a lot of cards either. And yet we keep handling them with kid gloves. Trump once said that he'd get a deal and said that if Russia didn't play along he'd arm Ukraine to the teeth. And now he literally can't say a single negative thing about them.

Russia has plenty of cards. More than Ukraine. They have nukes. They'll keep throwing endless bodies at the fight and they already mobilized their industrial complex. They also now have China and North Korea as friends.


Russia doesn't have endless bodies. That's a myth. And it's always why they are now having to use North Korean conscripts

Ok, they still have nukes, are friends with China and NK, they have more bodies and more weapons. So yeah, they have more cards.


Nukes aren't much of a card unless you're willing to burn your own country down. And they are even less of a card in a simple land grab. Irradiating the country you want to take over doesn't make a lot is sense. And what will being friends with NK get them? More useless conscripts? More artillery rounds with an exceptionally high dud rate?

Russia is a shell of who they were.
If Russia was smart they would let US aid expire and maintain the stalemate while systematically exhausting Ukraines supply of manpads. Then focus on achieving air superiority and bomb the Ukrainian population into oblivion ala US/British bombing of WWII Germany. No more ground fighting until Ukraine is literally on fire.

Anything short of that would ensure an occupation with endless guerrilla warfare like in Afghanistan that I do not think the Russians can ultimately win.

The only real question is would NATO stand by and watch that happen to civilians.


NATO would have no obligations to help. Members of NATO may do something. But if we are being honest everyone sat around and did nothing the last time they tried to take Ukraine, so who knows.
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Waffledynamics said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

infinity ag said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.
It's his choice what he wears. He doesn't have to wear what you want him to wear.
This isn't American Idol. Dude want's to run a country and make a deal,

Show up.
Dress the part.

He clowning people and it's getting old.

Trump desperately trying to prevent WW3 and you got homeboy rolling up in a 5.11 outfit he ordered off Temu.
You wouldn't like him any more if he was wearing a suit.

This whole anti-Ukraine thing is a circlejerk and nothing more.
It's goes more to the guy showing up clowning everybody. It's getting old.

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.

Trump tells the guy this and he backtalks like a contestant on Shark Tank.

Trump trying to make a deal and end this mess one way or the other. But he negotiating with a guy with zero leverage.

And finally people raging because Trump showing favor to Russia don't understand this is straight out of Art of the Deal.

It's what Trump does. It's how he negotiates. He wrote it down for everybody in 1985.

Trump can't help you if you don't read the material.

Zelensky shows up unprepared.
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dreyOO said:

kgtg79 said:

dreyOO said:

I cannot fathom why any rational American would be defending Zelensky's antics right now. Not when we have so many problems on the homefront that are priority...and we've done MORE than our fair share to dig them out of that conflict.

Then it occurred to me. Trump has come out of the gate so hard for 30 days, there's a big part of this country that just can't stand it. Oh you found $50B in waste and fraud? We don't like it b/c we can't stand Trump. Some are progs, some are CMs, and some just can't stand the man, regardless of the issue.

So Z shows up acting like an ass, and Trump/Vance put him in his place. And a big number of idiots show up on this thread like there's something to dunk on Trump with. Just pathetic.

Here's how to fix it though: flip your FB profiles to Blue/Yellow again, start writing personal checks to a GoFundMe for Z, and sign your kids up for service overseas. Since you're all so passionate about Ukraine's 'freedom'.


Democrats aren't rational
Agreed. I'm still disappointed in some alleged republicans that have missed big on this topic.

Z showed his ass today


Or maybe you are the one missing big on this topic.
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Apparently Reagan didn't read Art of the Deal and he brought the Russians to their knees without being scared of them.
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Tom Fox said:

Burpelson said:

We all can hope that Trump reverses his stance on this and avoid global war!
Please diagram how this leads to a global war involving the US.
Don't wanna bump the WW3 thread but I'll do it!
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It really is crazy how hard Democrats get internationally when they're not in office. When they are in office, it seems they just give money to everyone not American, especially to those that hate America
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Teslag said:

Agreed. If Zelenskyy showed up in a monocle and top hat Trump would have still bent over backwards to not say a single thing mean about Russia and insulted Ukraine to their president's face.

And we'd be right here anyway.
Why is it always RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA?

They have barely been relevant since the cold war when I had to tuck my head under my desk.
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Quote:

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.
Got it. Every smaller country invaded by a larger country should just submit and accept rapes, massacres, and just be happy to be part of that larger rapist nation.

Solid, morally sound worldview.
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Teslag said:

Apparently Reagan didn't read Art of the Deal and he brought the Russians to their knees without being scared of them.

The communist system collapsed for various reasons, none of which had much to do with Reagan.
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MaroonBloodedTexan said:

The Trump-Vance-Zelensky meeting wasn't strength or strategyit was a reckless display that weakened America and handed Putin a win. A real conservative foreign policy is about deterrence, alliances, and maintaining global influence, not performative grandstanding. Today, Trump didn't project powerhe projected unreliability.

Calling Ukraine aid a "grift" ignores history. Reagan armed anti-Soviet fighters, Nixon backed Israel, and Eisenhower kept Europe secureall to prevent hostile powers from expanding. If Ukraine were a corrupt puppet, Putin wouldn't have needed to invade. The real "grift" is pretending that letting Russia seize land will somehow lead to peace. Every broken agreementBudapest, Minskproves otherwise. Appeasement has never stopped a dictator, and it won't stop Putin.

This wasn't realism; it was isolationism dressed up as toughness. Nixon didn't strengthen U.S. ties by humiliating allies. Reagan didn't defeat the Soviets by calling them "whiny." Serious leadership means shaping the world to our advantage, not insulting partners on TV. Trump and Vance didn't advance American interests todaythey embarrassed them.

And for all the outrage over aid, here's the reality: U.S. support for Ukraine has been one of the best strategic investments in modern history. A fraction of our defense budgetmost of it spent on American-made weaponshas devastated one of our biggest adversaries without a single U.S. soldier in harm's way. Russia's military has been gutted, their global influence diminished, and their economy crippled. For a cost that's less than what we spent in a single year in Afghanistan, we've neutralized a major threat. That's not charity. That's a bargain.


Good takes here.

Russia is in trouble long term. The decline in birth rates there signals tough times ahead and this war killing so many of their young men is only going to exacerbate it.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-birth-rate-putin-collapses-2025653

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Tom Fox said:

Burpelson said:

We all can hope that Trump reverses his stance on this and avoid global war!
Please diagram how this leads to a global war involving the US.
Don't wanna bump the WW3 thread but I'll do it!


Even if Russia completely conquers Ukraine it will not lead to WWIII.
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Waffledynamics said:

Quote:

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.
Got it. Every smaller country invaded by a larger country should just submit and accept rapes, massacres, and just be happy to be part of that larger rapist nation.

Solid, morally sound worldview.


Russia couldn't defend their borders in Kursk and they have to rely on Iranian drones, North Korean troops, and Chinese aid to keep the war going.

Ergo, Russia is no longer a sovereign nation.
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Max Stonetrail said:

Teslag said:

Agreed. If Zelenskyy showed up in a monocle and top hat Trump would have still bent over backwards to not say a single thing mean about Russia and insulted Ukraine to their president's face.

And we'd be right here anyway.
Why is it always RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA?

They have barely been relevant since the cold war when I had to tuck my head under my desk.
Russia is more relevant than they have been since 1991. You can refuse to see this, or you can wake up.

They've invaded and brutalized people in Europe and Africa. They have made it clear through their alliance with China, Iran, and North Korea that they are opposed to us. They seek to upend our currency dominance through BRICS.

What part of all of this is irrelevant to you?
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Casual Cynic said:

Teslag said:

Apparently Reagan didn't read Art of the Deal and he brought the Russians to their knees without being scared of them.

The communist system collapsed for various reasons, none of which had much to do with Reagan.


Of course it didnt
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Teslag said:

Waffledynamics said:

Quote:

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.
Got it. Every smaller country invaded by a larger country should just submit and accept rapes, massacres, and just be happy to be part of that larger rapist nation.

Solid, morally sound worldview.


Russia couldn't defend their borders in Kursk and they have to rely on Iranian drones, North Korean troops, and Chinese aid to keep the war going.

Ergo, Russia is no longer a sovereign nation.
Don't even have to go that far. Our border is open. Therefore, we are not a sovereign nation.

I don't make the rules.
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Is the war over yet?
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Waffledynamics said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

infinity ag said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.
It's his choice what he wears. He doesn't have to wear what you want him to wear.
This isn't American Idol. Dude want's to run a country and make a deal,

Show up.
Dress the part.

He clowning people and it's getting old.

Trump desperately trying to prevent WW3 and you got homeboy rolling up in a 5.11 outfit he ordered off Temu.
You wouldn't like him any more if he was wearing a suit.

This whole anti-Ukraine thing is a circlejerk and nothing more.
It's goes more to the guy showing up clowning everybody. It's getting old.

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.

Trump tells the guy this and he backtalks like a contestant on Shark Tank.

Trump trying to make a deal and end this mess one way or the other. But he negotiating with a guy with zero leverage.

And finally people raging because Trump showing favor to Russia don't understand this is straight out of Art of the Deal.

It's what Trump does. It's how he negotiates. He wrote it down for everybody in 1985.

Trump can't help you if you don't read the material.

Zelensky shows up unprepared.


If he is such a great deal maker. Tell me about a single concession from the Russia side. I've seen the laundry list of Ukrainian concessions that were discussed BEFORE the negotiations. In the art of the deal is there a chapter where he boasts about making a deal in 24 hours then throws a tantrum and walks out after months of discussions?
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Casual Cynic said:

Teslag said:

Apparently Reagan didn't read Art of the Deal and he brought the Russians to their knees without being scared of them.

The communist system collapsed for various reasons, none of which had much to do with Reagan.
Revisionist history BS.

Reagan forced the USSR into an arms race they had no chance of competing in. He exposed the weaknesses of the communist system and pushed it over the edge. Very simple and effective strategy
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Waffledynamics said:

Teslag said:

Waffledynamics said:

Quote:

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.
Got it. Every smaller country invaded by a larger country should just submit and accept rapes, massacres, and just be happy to be part of that larger rapist nation.

Solid, morally sound worldview.


Russia couldn't defend their borders in Kursk and they have to rely on Iranian drones, North Korean troops, and Chinese aid to keep the war going.

Ergo, Russia is no longer a sovereign nation.
Don't even have to go that far. Our border is open. Therefore, we are not a sovereign nation.

I don't make the rules.
They don't seem open anymore
 
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