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Casual Cynic said:

Teslag said:

Apparently Reagan didn't read Art of the Deal and he brought the Russians to their knees without being scared of them.

The communist system collapsed for various reasons, none of which had much to do with Reagan.


Chernobyl, Afghanistan, Reagan, overspending on military, and communist mismanagement
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Waffledynamics said:

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If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.
Got it. Every smaller country invaded by a larger country should just submit and accept rapes, massacres, and just be happy to be part of that larger rapist nation.

Solid, morally sound worldview.
We going against the law of nature with all this.

Can't kid ourselves that there is some morality at play here.

It's pie-in-the-sky.

If there was any morality at all every country wouldn't ignore the fact that the US funded the development of a biological weapon that got unleashed on the entire planet, and subsequently ignored the moral code which forms the foundation of medical ethics.

Any moral argument to be had here is a farce in the same way that the 'global warming, think if the future children is a farce.'No generation in the history of mankind has ever given a **** about the consequences of their actions with respect to future generations.

Ukraine playing games, and the previous administrations that started this playing games.

Like Trump said. Millions of people killed over this bs and it's gonna be over one way or the other.

The best time to shake hands with this reality was 3-years ago. The second best time is now.
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Casual Cynic said:

Teslag said:

Apparently Reagan didn't read Art of the Deal and he brought the Russians to their knees without being scared of them.

The communist system collapsed for various reasons, none of which had much to do with Reagan.

You were very clearly not old enough to understand what was going on at the time, or you are a horrible student of History.

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Waffledynamics said:

Max Stonetrail said:

Teslag said:

Agreed. If Zelenskyy showed up in a monocle and top hat Trump would have still bent over backwards to not say a single thing mean about Russia and insulted Ukraine to their president's face.

And we'd be right here anyway.
Why is it always RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA?

They have barely been relevant since the cold war when I had to tuck my head under my desk.
Russia is more relevant than they have been since 1991. You can refuse to see this, or you can wake up.

They've invaded and brutalized people in Europe and Africa. They have made it clear through their alliance with China, Iran, and North Korea that they are opposed to us. They seek to upend our currency dominance through BRICS.

What part of all of this is irrelevant to you?
They have inserted some influence in Africa, but there is no power there.

I am not sure on your Europe scenario outside of Ukraine. We all know region they took was mostly in reality Russian.

Yes, war is brutal and I hate it. And I don't hate many things. Putin and the Russian war on Ukraine is a terrible folly.

Russia at the moment is a paper tiger, unless you know more than me.

The currency issue trough BRICS is a different conversation. The reality it is it wil be very hard to unseat the Dollar.
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Elon should purchase cnn or msnbc.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.

He was following this guys lead on dressing for high level meetings
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Teslag said:

Apparently Reagan didn't read Art of the Deal and he brought the Russians to their knees without being scared of them.

This is just silly. Trump isn't scared of Russia. But he's not going to give in to a pipsqueak like Zelensky.
Ukraine cannot fight without US help and Europe cannot bankroll them without bankrupting themselves.

This was a piss poor move by Zelensky. There is zero advantage for Ukraine in taking on Trump and Vance. None. It was a stupid thing to do. He has ZERO leverage.

Maybe this is how Zelensky talked to Biden. There's a new sheriff in town.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Waffledynamics said:

Quote:

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.
Got it. Every smaller country invaded by a larger country should just submit and accept rapes, massacres, and just be happy to be part of that larger rapist nation.

Solid, morally sound worldview.
We going against the law of nature with all this.

Can't kid ourselves that there is some morality at play here.

It's pie-in-the-sky.

If there was any morality at all every country wouldn't ignore the fact that the US funded the development of a biological weapon that got unleashed on the entire planet, and subsequently ignored the moral code which forms the foundation of medical ethics.

Any moral argument to be had here is a farce in the same way that the 'global warming, think if the future children is a farce.'No generation in the history of mankind has ever given a **** about the consequences of their actions with respect to future generations.

Ukraine playing games, and the previous administrations that started this playing games.

Like Trump said. Millions of people killed over this bs and it's gonna be over one way or the other.

The best time to shake hands with this reality was 3-years ago. The second best time is now.


Russia made an agreement to stop in the Donbass then promptly broke it. The only time to make an agreement is when you know the conditions exist to ensure you aren't just back at it in a few years after Russia rebuilds its military.
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rootube said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Waffledynamics said:

Quote:

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.
Got it. Every smaller country invaded by a larger country should just submit and accept rapes, massacres, and just be happy to be part of that larger rapist nation.

Solid, morally sound worldview.
We going against the law of nature with all this.

Can't kid ourselves that there is some morality at play here.

It's pie-in-the-sky.

If there was any morality at all every country wouldn't ignore the fact that the US funded the development of a biological weapon that got unleashed on the entire planet, and subsequently ignored the moral code which forms the foundation of medical ethics.

Any moral argument to be had here is a farce in the same way that the 'global warming, think if the future children is a farce.'No generation in the history of mankind has ever given a **** about the consequences of their actions with respect to future generations.

Ukraine playing games, and the previous administrations that started this playing games.

Like Trump said. Millions of people killed over this bs and it's gonna be over one way or the other.

The best time to shake hands with this reality was 3-years ago. The second best time is now.


The only time to make an agreement is when you know the conditions exist to ensure you aren't just back at it in a few years after Russia rebuilds its military.


So we keep sending money? That's the plan? And expect. Different result?
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dang, this board is effed up...going back to football and staying there...
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rootube said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Waffledynamics said:

Quote:

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.
Got it. Every smaller country invaded by a larger country should just submit and accept rapes, massacres, and just be happy to be part of that larger rapist nation.

Solid, morally sound worldview.
We going against the law of nature with all this.

Can't kid ourselves that there is some morality at play here.

It's pie-in-the-sky.

If there was any morality at all every country wouldn't ignore the fact that the US funded the development of a biological weapon that got unleashed on the entire planet, and subsequently ignored the moral code which forms the foundation of medical ethics.

Any moral argument to be had here is a farce in the same way that the 'global warming, think if the future children is a farce.'No generation in the history of mankind has ever given a **** about the consequences of their actions with respect to future generations.

Ukraine playing games, and the previous administrations that started this playing games.

Like Trump said. Millions of people killed over this bs and it's gonna be over one way or the other.

The best time to shake hands with this reality was 3-years ago. The second best time is now.


The only time to make an agreement is when you know the conditions exist to ensure you aren't just back at it in a few years after Russia rebuilds its military.
How are they going to rebuild it in a few years? Military aged men take time to age. Money?
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deddog said:

rootube said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Waffledynamics said:

Quote:

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.
Got it. Every smaller country invaded by a larger country should just submit and accept rapes, massacres, and just be happy to be part of that larger rapist nation.

Solid, morally sound worldview.
We going against the law of nature with all this.

Can't kid ourselves that there is some morality at play here.

It's pie-in-the-sky.

If there was any morality at all every country wouldn't ignore the fact that the US funded the development of a biological weapon that got unleashed on the entire planet, and subsequently ignored the moral code which forms the foundation of medical ethics.

Any moral argument to be had here is a farce in the same way that the 'global warming, think if the future children is a farce.'No generation in the history of mankind has ever given a **** about the consequences of their actions with respect to future generations.

Ukraine playing games, and the previous administrations that started this playing games.

Like Trump said. Millions of people killed over this bs and it's gonna be over one way or the other.

The best time to shake hands with this reality was 3-years ago. The second best time is now.


The only time to make an agreement is when you know the conditions exist to ensure you aren't just back at it in a few years after Russia rebuilds its military.


So we keep sending money? That's the plan? And expect. Different result?


Not necessarily. Almost any security guarantee backed by either us or any NATO coalition would probably work.
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It's kill or be killed.

There's little difference between modern humans and the apes at the beginning of 2001 a Space Odyssey.

Ape finds a bone and comes to the realization that he can a crack somebody's head open with it.

Half a million years later humanity is still defined by its capacity for violence.

It's 2025 and we got people doing trench warfare in Europe.

In winter.

People been fighting over the same patches of ground for 2-3000 years and Ukraine is one of 'em.
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Max Stonetrail said:

rootube said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Waffledynamics said:

Quote:

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.
Got it. Every smaller country invaded by a larger country should just submit and accept rapes, massacres, and just be happy to be part of that larger rapist nation.

Solid, morally sound worldview.
We going against the law of nature with all this.

Can't kid ourselves that there is some morality at play here.

It's pie-in-the-sky.

If there was any morality at all every country wouldn't ignore the fact that the US funded the development of a biological weapon that got unleashed on the entire planet, and subsequently ignored the moral code which forms the foundation of medical ethics.

Any moral argument to be had here is a farce in the same way that the 'global warming, think if the future children is a farce.'No generation in the history of mankind has ever given a **** about the consequences of their actions with respect to future generations.

Ukraine playing games, and the previous administrations that started this playing games.

Like Trump said. Millions of people killed over this bs and it's gonna be over one way or the other.

The best time to shake hands with this reality was 3-years ago. The second best time is now.


The only time to make an agreement is when you know the conditions exist to ensure you aren't just back at it in a few years after Russia rebuilds its military.
How are they going to rebuild it in a few years? Military aged men take time to age. Money?



They have a larger population and oil money. Even if it's more than a few years time is probably on their side.
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Teslag said:

Who?mikejones! said:

Its not the same world.

How would you help end this conflict if you were president?


Well for starters I wouldn't lay my cards down in the media at all. And if I did I'd let both sides know that they will have to give up something. And I sure as **** wouldn't play the innocent mediator that doesn't blame either side.

Russia doesn't have a lot of cards either. And yet we keep handling them with kid gloves. Trump once said that he'd get a deal and said that if Russia didn't play along he'd arm Ukraine to the teeth. And now he literally can't say a single negative thing about them.
Zelensky said that he's not playing cards ;-)
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rootube said:

deddog said:

rootube said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Waffledynamics said:

Quote:

If you cannot defend your borders and are reliant on a third-country for survival, you are no longer a sovereign nation.

End of story.
Got it. Every smaller country invaded by a larger country should just submit and accept rapes, massacres, and just be happy to be part of that larger rapist nation.

Solid, morally sound worldview.
We going against the law of nature with all this.

Can't kid ourselves that there is some morality at play here.

It's pie-in-the-sky.

If there was any morality at all every country wouldn't ignore the fact that the US funded the development of a biological weapon that got unleashed on the entire planet, and subsequently ignored the moral code which forms the foundation of medical ethics.

Any moral argument to be had here is a farce in the same way that the 'global warming, think if the future children is a farce.'No generation in the history of mankind has ever given a **** about the consequences of their actions with respect to future generations.

Ukraine playing games, and the previous administrations that started this playing games.

Like Trump said. Millions of people killed over this bs and it's gonna be over one way or the other.

The best time to shake hands with this reality was 3-years ago. The second best time is now.


The only time to make an agreement is when you know the conditions exist to ensure you aren't just back at it in a few years after Russia rebuilds its military.


So we keep sending money? That's the plan? And expect. Different result?


Not necessarily. Almost any security guarantee backed by either us or any NATO coalition would probably work.


That would require peace first, and a cease fire with the current lines. You aren't getting Russia to withdraw though they could exchange some areas. And let's see how many European countries have the stomach to take on Russia over Ukraine. ( other than Poland) most will balk at providing security guarantees without the US
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Tecolote said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.

He was following this guys lead on dressing for high level meetings
Elon can get away with it because he's the richest man in the world, and can land a rocket upright and catch with chopsticks. Pays more in taxes than anybody on the planet. He got a track record such that you cant **** with the guy.

Meanwhile this guy Zelensky is a comedian on a variety show. He's out if his league and out-kicked his coverage to the detriment of his own people.

If you 5'3", and your main quals are as the host of a tv variety show, you got to show up and at least dress the part. Millions of peoples lives counting on you.
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Tecolote said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

LOL at Zelenskyy for showing up at the WH dressed like a custom character from Call of Duty.

Dude rolled in thinking because he was an entertainer he could go tit for tat with Trump (and Vance for that matter).

Wtf, over.


Somebody finally calls the dude out on this. This ain't a video game. Show up, and dress the part.

This is crazy, Guy thinks he's a comic book character. The more that come out about all this the more insane it is.

Zenensky showing up and coming at Trump makes about as much sense as the guy that tried to mess with Mike Tyson on a plane and got knocked out.

Z been drinking his own kool-aid. He thinks he a character in a movie. Such a wild scene that it makes you wonder if he MK-Ultra'ed.

Never seen anything like this guy.

An unbelievable course of events.

He was following this guys lead on dressing for high level meetings


To be fair, Elon is worth more than the entire GDP of Ukraine…let that sink in!
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Max Stonetrail said:

Waffledynamics said:

Max Stonetrail said:

Teslag said:

Agreed. If Zelenskyy showed up in a monocle and top hat Trump would have still bent over backwards to not say a single thing mean about Russia and insulted Ukraine to their president's face.

And we'd be right here anyway.
Why is it always RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA?

They have barely been relevant since the cold war when I had to tuck my head under my desk.
Russia is more relevant than they have been since 1991. You can refuse to see this, or you can wake up.

They've invaded and brutalized people in Europe and Africa. They have made it clear through their alliance with China, Iran, and North Korea that they are opposed to us. They seek to upend our currency dominance through BRICS.

What part of all of this is irrelevant to you?
They have inserted some influence in Africa, but there is no power there.

I am not sure on your Europe scenario outside of Ukraine. We all know region they took was mostly in reality Russian.

Yes, war is brutal and I hate it. And I don't hate many things. Putin and the Russian war on Ukraine is a terrible folly.

Russia at the moment is a paper tiger, unless you know more than me.

The currency issue trough BRICS is a different conversation. The reality it is it wil be very hard to unseat the Dollar.


BRICS is really just China and India if we are being honest.

But Russia just installed a puppet government in Georgia, they are trying to undermine the Moldovan government and for whatever reason Victor Orban seems to be in Putin's pocket. Russias preferred way to win is to destabilize the government and to install a friendly Russian puppet dictator. They tried and failed twice in Ukraine with this strategy so they miss calculated and tried an Invasion. It's naive to think they were ever going to stop in Ukraine.
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rootube said:

Max Stonetrail said:

Waffledynamics said:

Max Stonetrail said:

Teslag said:

Agreed. If Zelenskyy showed up in a monocle and top hat Trump would have still bent over backwards to not say a single thing mean about Russia and insulted Ukraine to their president's face.

And we'd be right here anyway.
Why is it always RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA?

They have barely been relevant since the cold war when I had to tuck my head under my desk.
Russia is more relevant than they have been since 1991. You can refuse to see this, or you can wake up.

They've invaded and brutalized people in Europe and Africa. They have made it clear through their alliance with China, Iran, and North Korea that they are opposed to us. They seek to upend our currency dominance through BRICS.

What part of all of this is irrelevant to you?
They have inserted some influence in Africa, but there is no power there.

I am not sure on your Europe scenario outside of Ukraine. We all know region they took was mostly in reality Russian.

Yes, war is brutal and I hate it. And I don't hate many things. Putin and the Russian war on Ukraine is a terrible folly.

Russia at the moment is a paper tiger, unless you know more than me.

The currency issue trough BRICS is a different conversation. The reality it is it wil be very hard to unseat the Dollar.


BRICS is really just China and India if we are being honest.

But Russia just installed a puppet government in Georgia, they are trying to undermine the Moldovan government and for whatever reason Victor Orban seems to be in Putin's pocket. Russias preferred way to win is to destabilize the government and to install a friendly Russian puppet dictator. They tried and failed twice in Ukraine with this strategy so they miss calculated and tried an Invasion. It's naive to think they were ever going to stop in Ukraine.
Yes, of course. But the reality is they got stopped in Ukraine. Your weak Democrat leaders Obama and Biden allowed them to get where they are now, but they will not get further,
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Teslag said:

Agreed. If Zelenskyy showed up in a monocle and top hat Trump would have still bent over backwards to not say a single thing mean about Russia and insulted Ukraine to their president's face.

And we'd be right here anyway.


You realize that Russia is ready to negotiate right?
Trump wants peace. Putin is ready to talk. Zelensky is not.
Trump doesn't have to say anything aboutPutin. There's no reason to. Already has him at the table.

Zelensky is resisting because the negotiations will not get what he wants. That's problematic for Trump and getting peace. That's why his focus is on Zelensky. The barbs at Trump are just intellectually lazy and stupid.

Zelensky ****ed up today. He has three choices… kiss the ring, resign or lose American support and the rest of his country.
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There's zero chance Ukraine loses the rest of their country even if we pulled all of our aid today

And Zelenskyy literally came to the table today to negotiate and Trump just made excuses for Russia.
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Teslag said:

There's zero chance Ukraine loses the rest of their country even if we pulled all of our aid today


Good. Then why do they need our help?
Problem solved.
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As I've said, im not convinced they still need our help to maintain current lines. And zelensky probably knows that.
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Teslag said:

There's zero chance Ukraine loses the rest of their country even if we pulled all of our aid today

And Zelenskyy literally came to the table today to negotiate and Trump just made excuses for Russia.


Yeah that's just not true. Did you watch the conference? The entire brouhaha started after Zelensky went after Vance for suggesting negotiations with Putin.
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Teslag said:

As I've said, im not convinced they still need our help to maintain current lines. And zelensky probably knows that.


Then that's perfect. Keep Trump, Vance and America out of it. No need for him to come to the US again.
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deddog said:

Teslag said:

There's zero chance Ukraine loses the rest of their country even if we pulled all of our aid today

And Zelenskyy literally came to the table today to negotiate and Trump just made excuses for Russia.


Yeah that's just not true. Did you watch the conference? The entire brouhaha started after Zelensky went after Vance for suggesting negotiations with Putin.


Actually it started after Trump started simping for Russia and it pissed off Zelenskyy and rightfully so.
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MaroonBloodedTexan said:

And for all the outrage over aid, here's the reality: U.S. support for Ukraine has been one of the best strategic investments in modern history. A fraction of our defense budgetmost of it spent on American-made weaponshas devastated one of our biggest adversaries without a single U.S. soldier in harm's way. Russia's military has been gutted, their global influence diminished, and their economy crippled. For a cost that's less than what we spent in a single year in Afghanistan, we've neutralized a major threat. That's not charity. That's a bargain.
While I am rooting for Ukraine to hold on to as much of its territory as is realistically possible, I disagree strongly with both some of these assertions, as well as the general perspective.

First, Russia's military has not been gutted, its global influence diminished, and its economy crippled, and so I disagree with the assertion that Russia has been devastated, regardless of the cost to our defense budget or a single U.S. soldier being in harm's way.

Second, even if all of the above were true, Russia isn't our biggest, and most definitely shouldn't be, one of our biggest adversaries. Since the dissolution of the U.S.S.R. our biggest adversary has been and will continue to be for the foreseeable future Communist China. And unfortunately, the way we have treated Russia since the mid 1990s (expanding NATO to their borders, going to war against their Serbian allies, vilifying them for not being woke enough, etc.) has actually been counterproductive in terms of positioning ourselves most effectively to counter/contain our biggest adversary, Communist China.

In terms of our strategic interests, I would argue that instead of wanting a weaker Russia, it is actually in the long-term best interests of the United States, once the Ukrainian situation is resolved, to work toward a rapprochement with Russia, with the goal of eventually establishing a strategic partnership with them in order to counter our common (real) adversaries: Communist China and secular, left-wing globalism. While our short-sighted geopolitical decision-making over the last 30 years has helped push Russia toward Communist China, it does not necessarily have to be like that moving forward.

Toward that end a weaker Russia, especially a nuclear armed one, and this is my third point, actually runs contrary to U.S. long-term interests, as we should want a Russia that is both economically and militarily powerful enough to viably counter/contain Chinese ambitions in Eurasia, while at the same time being prosperous and self-confident enough to serve as an inspiration for and ally to the growing populist and nationalist movements across Europe.
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Teslag said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Teslag said:

Who?mikejones! said:

Its not the same world.

How would you help end this conflict if you were president?


Well for starters I wouldn't lay my cards down in the media at all. And if I did I'd let both sides know that they will have to give up something. And I sure as **** wouldn't play the innocent mediator that doesn't blame either side.

Russia doesn't have a lot of cards either. And yet we keep handling them with kid gloves. Trump once said that he'd get a deal and said that if Russia didn't play along he'd arm Ukraine to the teeth. And now he literally can't say a single negative thing about them.

Russia has plenty of cards. More than Ukraine. They have nukes. They'll keep throwing endless bodies at the fight and they already mobilized their industrial complex. They also now have China and North Korea as friends.


Russia doesn't have endless bodies. That's a myth. And it's always why they are now having to use North Korean conscripts
Ever think that Putin, as maniacal as he is, is also pretty darn smart? He cut some deal with the Norks for cannon fodder to preserve his troops. Evil, but certainly strategic. Trust me, I am fully in the camp that believes Russia's military is complete dog sh** but it seems clear at this point he is trying to preserve it.

If the Norks have blood to spare why wouldn't Putin tap that for pennies on the dollar. Not unlike muslims, these people have little care for life.

I couldn't really figure out what I thought Putin's strategy was in this whole thing but I think I have it now. He's been holding back the whole time and playing the long game. There are no aircraft in the sky to be shot down. No tanks rolling anymore to be decimated by Javelins or even old Dragons. He's waiting it out.

it begs the question, as I have said going on two years, who is really bleeding who?
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deddog said:

Teslag said:

Agreed. If Zelenskyy showed up in a monocle and top hat Trump would have still bent over backwards to not say a single thing mean about Russia and insulted Ukraine to their president's face.

And we'd be right here anyway.


You realize that Russia is ready to negotiate right?
Trump wants peace. Putin is ready to talk. Zelensky is not.
Trump doesn't have to say anything aboutPutin. There's no reason to. Already has him at the table.

Zelensky is resisting because the negotiations will not get what he wants. That's problematic for Trump and getting peace. That's why his focus is on Zelensky. The barbs at Trump are just intellectually lazy and stupid.

Zelensky ****ed up today. He has three choices… kiss the ring, resign or lose American support and the rest of his country.



If Putin is really ready to negotiate why does the US need to do anything? Putin refuses to negotiate with Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy has already said he is willing to meet with Putin
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North Korean conscripts
Another wild thing about all this.

We arguing based on morality but at the same time we doing trench warfare using conscripts.

In 2025.

We got this vision of morality, and some larger hope for morality. But arguing about all this from a moral position is like riding a bike with no seat.
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Haha Z made Trump and Vance look like childish b******
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Interesting. Breakdown of blue stars on the first two posts makes me think bots are at work
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Trump wants peace. Putin is ready to talk. Zelensky is not.
This is like a dinner where the people paying the tab are ready to close out and go, but a guest's +1 insists on ordering desert, coffee and cognac.

Trump called for the check and Zelensky turns around and asks for a menu.

Trump telling Zelensky "you are gambling with WW3." is the beginning of the end. That clip will get replayed until the end of time.

Whatever support Zelensky had is about to dry up. He missed the boat.

All he had to do was show up and act right. And he couldn't do that.
 
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