Trump Jan 6 sealed indictment delivered

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9:27p, 8/8/23
Take with grain of salt, but pretty telling if true...

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In reply to will25u • 9:47p, 8/8/23
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will25u said:
Take with grain of salt, but pretty telling if true...

Saw it on FNC. Bennie Thompson said his committee destroyed all of their records. Which is of course against the law.

That means none of it would ever hold in an honest court of law. (Not that we have many of those left.)
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In reply to aggiehawg • 11:03p, 8/8/23
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Saw it on FNC. Bennie Thompson said his committee destroyed all of their records. Which is of course against the law.
There is a dispute over which records needed to be preserved, but this isn't an accurate portrayal of the dispute. Loudermilk and the Republicans have acknowledged they got over 2.5 terabytes worth of records from Bennie Thompson and the committee.
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12:40p, 8/9/23
I think this is the right thread... Going after Trumps DM's and deleted tweets.



ETA:

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In reply to TXAggie2011 • 12:53p, 8/9/23
TXAggie2011 said:
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Saw it on FNC. Bennie Thompson said his committee destroyed all of their records. Which is of course against the law.
There is a dispute over which records needed to be preserved, but this isn't an accurate portrayal of the dispute. Loudermilk and the Republicans have acknowledged they got over 2.5 terabytes worth of records from Bennie Thompson and the committee.
Do you have a link to a source for this information? I would like to know who makes the decisions on what needs to be preserved and what may be destroyed?

thanks in advance
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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2:45p, 8/9/23
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In reply to will25u • 4:38p, 8/9/23
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This is fascist.
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In reply to will25u • 5:31p, 8/9/23
will25u said:
Perhaps related to Trump yesterday saying he would rather be in the south of France instead of USA ...


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In reply to Retired FBI Agent • 5:49p, 8/9/23
BAM, that is some top notch FBI work, they can lock him up with that
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5:54p, 8/9/23
If he would rather be somewhere other than the US, there are several non-extradition counties which are very nice.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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5:55p, 8/9/23
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Trump hates America ? Just kidding
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In reply to Retired FBI Agent • 6:00p, 8/9/23
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will25u said:
Perhaps related to Trump yesterday saying he would rather be in the south of France instead of USA ...


You know the hate for 'Merca is strong when he prefers France. Yes, France.
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6:04p, 8/9/23
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Make France Great Again !!
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6:07p, 8/9/23
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It is August. The month that the French always take off to go to the south of France.
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8:59a, 8/10/23
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In reply to will25u • 9:18a, 8/10/23
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That is why I am having a problem with how the grand jury in Florida was presented this classified documents case. If most every thing happened in DC and then under seal no less, how was that information relayed to them?

I know the DOJ attorney presenting before the Florida grand jury has had her own ethical problems in the past, as has SCO Smith but the process should at least be summarized. It does not violate grand jury secrecy to give broad classifications of the types of evidence presented such as live witness testimony, videos of sworn depositions, documentary evidence consisting of surveillance tapes, photographs, letters, emails, call logs and the like.
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2:59p, 8/10/23
smith wants january trial, and says 4-6 weeks for government's case in chief. so looking at a 3 month plus trial.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/special-counsel-jack-smith-proposes-january-2024-trial-trump-election-case

Spoiler alert, this case won't go to trial in January
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2:38p, 8/11/23
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4:41p, 8/11/23
I started conversation on the wrong thread, but here's one example of how ChitKan is biased and should recuse:


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In reply to Im Gipper • 4:49p, 8/11/23
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I don't have the cites handy as they were usually contained in tweets and I'm not on that platform to easily search but I know there's more where that one came from. Her contempt for Trump is not exactly hidden.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:53p, 8/11/23
Here is another I previously referenced:


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5:55p, 8/11/23
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Can the SC step in or does a ruling and appeal have to happen first?
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 6:55p, 8/11/23
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Yukon Cornelius said:
Can the SC step in or does a ruling and appeal have to happen first?
Ruling before an appeal is required.

But if you want to go through this line by line. Here's a good rumble
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7:04p, 8/11/23
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Crap! 11.6 million pages loaded and ready to go? Against Trump's limited defense team? By January?

Again, watch this rumble
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In reply to aggiehawg • 7:31p, 8/11/23
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How can a judge limit pro bono lawyers from working on his case?
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7:45p, 8/11/23
According to Rolling Stone (yes, I know their reputation and track record, but the story just came out and the commies are popping champagne), Smith is going after Sidney "Kraken" Powell.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-allies-deliver-incriminating-conspiracy-152454750.html
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In reply to jt2hunt • 8:07p, 8/11/23
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How can a judge limit pro bono lawyers from working on his case?
Classified documents case. She can prevent them and will. She has already accused the volunteer lawyers as being unindicted co-conspirators. But she calls them "co-defendants."

Nothing to see there, nosirree.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 9:29p, 8/11/23
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aggiehawg said:
jt2hunt said:
How can a judge limit pro bono lawyers from working on his case?
Classified documents case. She can prevent them and will. She has already accused the volunteer lawyers as being unindicted co-conspirators. But she calls them "co-defendants."

Nothing to see there, nosirree.


You're mixing up the "classified documents case" and the election case, but at any rate, Chutkan didn't quite say "no", end of story, but instead asked for Trump's lawyers to provide a more detailed description of what they're asking for. They didn't even indicate the "volunteer" lawyers would be retained by Trump pro bono. Heck, they even said the volunteers may include all sorts of non-lawyers.

And it would be quite extraordinary to allow unretained lawyers and certainly non-lawyers the ability to look through and assist in discovery when you have a protective order.
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9:52p, 8/11/23
They are gonna find a way to put Trump in jail pre-trial.

You can see which way the winds are blowing on this deal.

The groundwork is being laid and the public is being primed.

So updated prediction. Mark me down for that.
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In reply to will25u • 12:23p, 8/12/23
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will25u said:


What is the difference between "classified" and "sensitive"??
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In reply to aggiehawg • 12:27p, 8/12/23
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aggiehawg said:
Yukon Cornelius said:
Can the SC step in or does a ruling and appeal have to happen first?
Ruling before an appeal is required.
Yes.

This is just a guess, but for the Supreme Court to become involved without an appeal, the Supreme Court would have to have Original Jurisdiction.

Obviously, the Supreme Court does not have Original Jurisdiction. If they did, then the case would go to the Supreme Court without the involvement of lower courts.

Most of what the Supreme Court does is based on their Appellate Jurisdiction. Out of curiosity, is there any form of jurisdiction other than Original Jurisdiction and Appellate Jurisdiction?

Did I get that right?
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12:31p, 8/12/23
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Sensitive refers to one of the six types of materials specifically defined in the protective order (on page 3) for this case as sensitive materials

Classified would refer to the federal government's classification scheme
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In reply to eric76 • 12:36p, 8/12/23
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Out of curiosity, is there any form of jurisdiction other than Original Jurisdiction and Appellate Jurisdiction?
Exclusive jurisdiction, which means only that particular court can hear the case. Multiple courts could have original or appellate jurisdiction over a case.
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In reply to eric76 • 12:38p, 8/12/23
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Most of what the Supreme Court does is based on their Appellate Jurisdiction. Out of curiosity, is there any form of jurisdiction other than Original Jurisdiction and Appellate Jurisdiction?
That's the most common but can also have exclusive jurisdiction, i.e. the only court that can hear a particular case or concurrent jurisiction where other courts can hear a case. As a practical matter, since the Court can pick and choose which cases they grant cert on, even where they have original and exclusive jurisdiction (such as the 2020 election case between Texas and other states) they can still refuse to exercise it.

They are not final beause they are infallible, they are infallible because they are final as the old saying goes.
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