Active shooter Uvalde Elementary school

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Neehau said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.


It isn't? How is it not accurate?


An assault rifle is a select fire machine gun and already heavily regulated under the NFA.

You mean assault weapon which is a made up term coined by the Clinton administration in the early 90's for a host of high capacity magazine fed semi auto rifles with certain cosmetic features that do nothing to addto the lethality of the weapon system.
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Neehau said:

zoneag said:

Neehau said:

zoneag said:

Neehau said:

Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Neehau said:

If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post


It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.


Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.


"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.


Stop with the fake sanctimony. You're here to troll and capitalize on a tragedy in order to spread your far left bull***** Get lost. You shrug your shoulders at millions of abortions every year. This is nothing more than a crisis to capitalize on for you and your ilk.


It unfortunate you see it that way. Nothing to capitalize. Just another day in America where assault rifles have replaced the musket….


There are some from the left who approach the issue honestly, like Larry above. I may not agree with him much but at least he's sincere and seems interested in a solution that doesn't **** all over civil liberties. You don't. Coming here with talk of forceful confiscation of guns from law abiding gun owners is grade A inflammatory trolling. You're just the latest username in a long line of leftist trolls that come here for some reason. Once you beclown yourself enough you'll change handles again and continue the pathetic trolling.


I never said to take weapons from law abiding gun owners. Quite the contrary. If you are deemed unfit to own a weapon due to mental issues, you cannot be a part of a regulated militia. If you are not a part of a regulated militia, you don't have a constitutional right to bear arms.


Do you think that someone who wants to cut off part of their body to fit an imaginary image of themself is mentally fit?
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spider96 said:

Rockdoc said:

spider96 said:

Artorias said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.
Dude, it is an AR-15! What do you think the A and R stand for?
Please tell me that this is a sarcastic post?

Well?
I am tired with a faulty sarcasm detector.

He doesn't know what it stands for.
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larry culpepper said:

Rip*91 said:





Steve Kerr is a POS drama Queen. He doesn't give 2 ****s about Uvalde, Tx, just his politics.
Maybe he's dramatic, but he clearly does care.

edited to remove comments typed while irritated.





You are correct. He does care. He cares deeply…..about his ****ing politics.
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Neehau said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.


It isn't? How is it not accurate?
Because the AR-15 is not an assault rifle.

First of all, "AR" means ArmaLite Rifle so I'll save you the trouble of going there.

Second, an actual assault rifle is selective fire meaning it can shoot semi-automatic (one shot per trigger pull), and/or two/three shot burst, and/or fully automatic.

The civilian AR-15s you can buy today are semi-auto only.

The number of legally owned true assault rifles is extremely small and they do not get used in crimes.
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AgsWin2011 said:

Teslag said:

AgsWin2011 said:

Neehau said:

Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Neehau said:

If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post


It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.


Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.


"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.


Agreed. That was an extremely disgusting response. If I could pay more money in taxes to guarantee that never happens to my children, I would. Yes, you probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than ever experiencing that, but you actually have to play the lottery to win. This can happen anywhere at any time. I'm all for increasing security in schools. If they can spend tens of millions for sporting complexes, why can't they spend a fraction of that for more secure vestibules and entries/exits, armed officers, etc?


How much per school? Give a number.


$5,000,000 per school. There's your number jackass. I don't know what the number is. Maybe get rid of classes that teach liberal tendencies. I'm not a liberal idiot. I fully support the 2nd amendment. I also support the safety of students and teachers as I have 2 in school and a wife that is a teacher. I can't imagine leaving for work one day and getting the news that these families received today. If you have a problem with that, get f#cked.


There are 131,000 K-12 schools in the United States. At $5 million per school your "solution" costs $655 Billion.

Spread that cost over 100 years and your solution costs $187 million per life saved.
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The average gun owner in Australia still owns 4 firearms. They didn't forcefully take anything away.
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Artorias said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.
Dude, it is an AR-15! What do you think the A and R stand for?
Dude,

Armalite Rifle
[url=https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/meaning-of-ar-in-ar-15-firearm/]Armalite Rifle[/url]
Armalite Rifle
Username checks out.
Rockdoc
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Aw I wanted to see his answer. You ruined it.
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Teslag said:

AgsWin2011 said:

Teslag said:

AgsWin2011 said:

Neehau said:

Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Neehau said:

If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post


It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.


Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.


"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.


Agreed. That was an extremely disgusting response. If I could pay more money in taxes to guarantee that never happens to my children, I would. Yes, you probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than ever experiencing that, but you actually have to play the lottery to win. This can happen anywhere at any time. I'm all for increasing security in schools. If they can spend tens of millions for sporting complexes, why can't they spend a fraction of that for more secure vestibules and entries/exits, armed officers, etc?


How much per school? Give a number.


$5,000,000 per school. There's your number jackass. I don't know what the number is. Maybe get rid of classes that teach liberal tendencies. I'm not a liberal idiot. I fully support the 2nd amendment. I also support the safety of students and teachers as I have 2 in school and a wife that is a teacher. I can't imagine leaving for work one day and getting the news that these families received today. If you have a problem with that, get f#cked.


There are 131,000 K-12 schools in the United States. At $5 million per school your "solution" costs $655 Billion.

Spread that cost over 100 years and your solution costs $187 million per life saved.


44 billion sent to Ukraine would have been a start.
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Neehau said:

Marcus Brutus said:

Neehau said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Neehau said:

If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post


It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.


Children are not getting gun downed in schools. These are extremely rare events.

I want to protect the lives while preserving rights. You don't have the answer, you just think you do.


Children aren't getting gunned down in schools? Did you watch the news today?

No, children aren't getting gunned down in schools to any serious degree.
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Since 1970, there have been 1,924 incidents involving the discharge of a firearm on school property and 637 people have died.

51 years of data.
12.5 deaths per year.
https://www.campussafetymagazine.com/safety/k-12-school-shooting-statistics-everyone-should-know/

While tragic, 218 children aged 0-17 have died of the flu since January 1, 2020. 218 children in 2 years, 5 months. Not covid, influenza.

https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true

In 2020 alone 1,315 children ages 0-15 died in car accidents (423 aged 0-5).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS9iSdawxKZE4aJboNhwK34EAU51R9q50LB2UF7C6nWl7p2crGh-TH4KPmw6WLX5Orl9yUiYm17ztWk/pubhtml

1,153 children 14 and under died of cancer in 2020.

https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/update-on-cancer-deaths/index.htm

So while very dramatic, spectacular and scary (aided in no small amount by media hype), the reality is that many, many other things are much more threatening to children than school shootings.
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El_Zorro said:

Neehau said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.


It isn't? How is it not accurate?


An assault rifle is a select fire machine gun and already heavily regulated under the NFA.

You mean assault weapon which is a made up term coined by the Clinton administration in the early 90's for a host of high capacity magazine fed semi auto rifles with certain cosmetic features that do nothing to addto the lethality of the weapon system.


No I meant what I said. The assault rifle has replaced the musket as the arm of the period. AR-15's are not assault rifles as they don't have select fire capability.
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Neehau said:

zoneag said:

Neehau said:

zoneag said:

Neehau said:

Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Neehau said:

If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post


It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.


Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.


"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.


Stop with the fake sanctimony. You're here to troll and capitalize on a tragedy in order to spread your far left bull***** Get lost. You shrug your shoulders at millions of abortions every year. This is nothing more than a crisis to capitalize on for you and your ilk.


It unfortunate you see it that way. Nothing to capitalize. Just another day in America where assault rifles have replaced the musket….


There are some from the left who approach the issue honestly, like Larry above. I may not agree with him much but at least he's sincere and seems interested in a solution that doesn't **** all over civil liberties. You don't. Coming here with talk of forceful confiscation of guns from law abiding gun owners is grade A inflammatory trolling. You're just the latest username in a long line of leftist trolls that come here for some reason. Once you beclown yourself enough you'll change handles again and continue the pathetic trolling.


I never said to take weapons from law abiding gun owners. Quite the contrary. If you are deemed unfit to own a weapon due to mental issues, you cannot be a part of a regulated militia. If you are not a part of a regulated militia, you don't have a constitutional right to bear arms.


"Hey guys. You can bear arms to protect yourselves against a tyrannical government, but only if the government says you can. Also, you can have rights, but only if the government lets you have the rights."

We get it. You're a fascist.
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One thing that is very clear in this world is that the left has one definition of 'assault rifle' and the right has a different definition of 'assault rifle.'

Expect that to be debated over and over and over again all across the land over forever.
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cone said:

I assume this guy was a well-known ****** bag at the local high school

They interviewed an 18 year old on the news and he said that he hadn't seen the deranged lunatic at his high school in 2 years.
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Rapier108 said:

Neehau said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.


It isn't? How is it not accurate?
Because the AR-15 is not an assault rifle.

First of all, "AR" means ArmaLite Rifle so I'll save you the trouble of going there.

Second, an actual assault rifle is selective fire meaning it can shoot semi-automatic (one shot per trigger pull), and/or two/three shot burst, and/or fully automatic.

The civilian AR-15s you can buy today are semi-auto only.

The number of legally owned true assault rifles is extremely small and they do not get used in crimes.


You should reread my posts. This post is meaningless.
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Neehau said:

El_Zorro said:

Neehau said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.


It isn't? How is it not accurate?


An assault rifle is a select fire machine gun and already heavily regulated under the NFA.

You mean assault weapon which is a made up term coined by the Clinton administration in the early 90's for a host of high capacity magazine fed semi auto rifles with certain cosmetic features that do nothing to addto the lethality of the weapon system.


No I meant what I said. The assault rifle has replaced the musket as the arm of the period. AR-15's are not assault rifles as they don't have select fire capability.

Now you know. You're welcome.
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NCNJ1217 said:

Neehau said:

Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Neehau said:

If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post


It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.


Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.


"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.
Yes. This is what's always said. 1 is too many….

News flash, there is evil in the world. The only way you are going to reduce the instances of whatever kind of evil, is to severely restrict liberty down to the point where everyone is isolated by themselves. That's the only way you could ever do it.

To a lot of leftists, they don't see it that way. "You don't have to go to such an extreme", they say. "Just implement these restrictions here that I agree with." Problem is, the restrictions won't stop. And there will come a time sooner than later when there will be restrictions you don't agree with. Before you know it, you and I and everyone else will be imprisoned.

"Oh, you don't agree with these restrictions Comrade? Very interesting. Now please face wall."


Yep.

Ban only the "Assault Weapons!"
"Assault Weapons" Banned
Mass shooting occurs using bolt action rifle
Ban only those evil rifles!
Rifles Banned
Mass shooting occurs using handguns
Ban only the handguns!
Handguns banned
Mass casualty event with knives
IF ONLY WE HAD COMMON SENSE KNIFE CONTROL!
Knives banned
Mass shootings and knife attacks still occur
Ok lock up all the white men, they're obviously the problem!
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AgsMyDude said:

ActualTalkingThermos said:

This deranged kid could've walked into any gun store in Texas and walked out with that rifle. The one that allowed him to kill 15+ people even after the Good Guys With Guns had engaged him. If he'd instead walked into a convenience store and tried to buy a six-pack of light beer he'd have been told no, he wasn't old enough to be allowed to mess around with something that dangerous.


Yeah but it is his right at 18 to buy that rifle in order to murder innocent children and teachers!

These are actually really good arguments for lower the legal drinking age.
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Update:
- 19 kids deceased
- 2 adults deceased
- 2 "Ar15 style" rifles pictures on shooters instagram account a few days ago (per CNN so take that for what it's worth)
- Shooter shot his grandma before going to the elementary school; she's in critical condition
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AgsMyDude said:

ActualTalkingThermos said:

This deranged kid could've walked into any gun store in Texas and walked out with that rifle. The one that allowed him to kill 15+ people even after the Good Guys With Guns had engaged him. If he'd instead walked into a convenience store and tried to buy a six-pack of light beer he'd have been told no, he wasn't old enough to be allowed to mess around with something that dangerous.


Yeah but it is his right at 18 to buy that rifle in order to murder innocent children and teachers!
Typical liberal response, devoid of rational thought... It IS an 18yr old's right to purchase a rifle (absent any disqualifiers), but it is no one's 'right' to murder innocent children and teachers. See, I dissected this democrat talking point.
"Democracy: 2 wolves and 1 sheep deciding one what to have for supper. Liberty: 2 wolves set on supper, and finding 1 well armed sheep."
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Neehau said:

El_Zorro said:

Neehau said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.


It isn't? How is it not accurate?


An assault rifle is a select fire machine gun and already heavily regulated under the NFA.

You mean assault weapon which is a made up term coined by the Clinton administration in the early 90's for a host of high capacity magazine fed semi auto rifles with certain cosmetic features that do nothing to addto the lethality of the weapon system.


No I meant what I said. The assault rifle has replaced the musket as the arm of the period. AR-15's are not assault rifles as they don't have select fire capability.
And Facebook has replaced the quill, what's your point?
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Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Neehau said:

If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post


It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.


Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.


"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.


Do you think 35 deaths a year out of 350 million people represents a widespread and rampant problem?


27 school shootings YTD out of none that should happen is too many. I don't know your personal definition of widespread or rampant.

I don't know the answer. I have my guns for protection. Luckily we make enough to walled-garden my daughter in private school. We clearly have a problem and hand waving children's lives as mere statistics is disgraceful.

zoneag
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Neehau said:

zoneag said:

Neehau said:

zoneag said:

Neehau said:

Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Neehau said:

If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post


It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.


Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.


"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.


Stop with the fake sanctimony. You're here to troll and capitalize on a tragedy in order to spread your far left bull***** Get lost. You shrug your shoulders at millions of abortions every year. This is nothing more than a crisis to capitalize on for you and your ilk.


It unfortunate you see it that way. Nothing to capitalize. Just another day in America where assault rifles have replaced the musket….


There are some from the left who approach the issue honestly, like Larry above. I may not agree with him much but at least he's sincere and seems interested in a solution that doesn't **** all over civil liberties. You don't. Coming here with talk of forceful confiscation of guns from law abiding gun owners is grade A inflammatory trolling. You're just the latest username in a long line of leftist trolls that come here for some reason. Once you beclown yourself enough you'll change handles again and continue the pathetic trolling.


I never said to take weapons from law abiding gun owners. Quite the contrary. If you are deemed unfit to own a weapon due to mental issues, you cannot be a part of a regulated militia. If you are not a part of a regulated militia, you don't have a constitutional right to bear arms.


Ah, so all you want to do is subject citizens to some sort of mental evaluation administered by leftist bureaucrats to determine if they can exercise their constitutional rights. Sounds like you need to get to work on a constitutional amendment.

Oh, and can we formally dispense with the lie you told about not bei a leftist troll?
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Neehau said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.


It isn't? How is it not accurate?


An assault rifle must have selective fire, which is the capability of a weapon to be adjusted to fire in semi-automatic and FULLY automatic mode (like a machine gun). Semi-automatic-only rifles are Not assault rifles. The "AR" stands for ArmaLite Rifle, Not assault rifle. AR-15s are not assault rifles.

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Quote:

And Facebook has replaced the quill, what's your point?
The second amendment means **** you. That's the point.
Bill Clinternet
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ttha_aggie_09 said:

Neehau said:

El_Zorro said:

Neehau said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.


It isn't? How is it not accurate?


An assault rifle is a select fire machine gun and already heavily regulated under the NFA.

You mean assault weapon which is a made up term coined by the Clinton administration in the early 90's for a host of high capacity magazine fed semi auto rifles with certain cosmetic features that do nothing to addto the lethality of the weapon system.


No I meant what I said. The assault rifle has replaced the musket as the arm of the period. AR-15's are not assault rifles as they don't have select fire capability.
And Facebook has replaced the quill, what's your point?


My point is no one argues this crucial point. The gun lobby is ok with arms regulation on select fire capabilities but they aren't ok with appropriate training and mental health checks on individuals owning assault weapons. Seems hypocritical and counter productive. You should want people to be responsible gun owners. If that wasn't the case, the gun lobby should be fighting for everyone to be able to own the weapon of the period as members of the regulated militia.
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RangerRick9211 said:

Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Neehau said:

If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post


It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.


Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.


"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.


Do you think 35 deaths a year out of 350 million people represents a widespread and rampant problem?


27 school shootings YTD out of none that should happen is too many. I don't know your personal definition of widespread or rampant.

I don't know the answer. I have my guns for protection. Luckily we make enough to walled-garden my daughter in private school. We clearly have a problem and hand waving children's lives as mere statistics is disgraceful.




You are thinking emotionally and not logically.
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AggieUSMC said:

Quote:

And Facebook has replaced the quill, what's your point?
The second amendment means **** you. That's the point.
Not to the poster my response was directed to, which is why I asked if he/she knows what the hell they're talking about
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Neehau said:

ttha_aggie_09 said:

Neehau said:

El_Zorro said:

Neehau said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.


It isn't? How is it not accurate?


An assault rifle is a select fire machine gun and already heavily regulated under the NFA.

You mean assault weapon which is a made up term coined by the Clinton administration in the early 90's for a host of high capacity magazine fed semi auto rifles with certain cosmetic features that do nothing to addto the lethality of the weapon system.


No I meant what I said. The assault rifle has replaced the musket as the arm of the period. AR-15's are not assault rifles as they don't have select fire capability.
And Facebook has replaced the quill, what's your point?


My point is no one argues this crucial point. The gun lobby is ok with arms regulation on select fire capabilities but they aren't ok with appropriate training and mental health checks on individuals owning assault weapons. Seems hypocritical and counter productive. You should want people to be responsible gun owners. If that wasn't the case, the gun lobby should be fighting for everyone to be able to own the weapon of the period as members of the regulated militia.


We don't restrictions on select fire either.
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Neehau said:

ttha_aggie_09 said:

Neehau said:

El_Zorro said:

Neehau said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.


It isn't? How is it not accurate?


An assault rifle is a select fire machine gun and already heavily regulated under the NFA.

You mean assault weapon which is a made up term coined by the Clinton administration in the early 90's for a host of high capacity magazine fed semi auto rifles with certain cosmetic features that do nothing to addto the lethality of the weapon system.


No I meant what I said. The assault rifle has replaced the musket as the arm of the period. AR-15's are not assault rifles as they don't have select fire capability.
And Facebook has replaced the quill, what's your point?


My point is no one argues this crucial point. The gun lobby is ok with arms regulation on select fire capabilities but they aren't ok with appropriate training and mental health checks on individuals owning assault weapons. Seems hypocritical and counter productive. You should want people to be responsible gun owners. If that wasn't the case, the gun lobby should be fighting for everyone to be able to own the weapon of the period as members of the regulated militia.


I think restricting small arms is a constitutional infringement and the gun lobby is wrong if they support the NFA restrictions.

They only restriction should be persons prohibited after due process, like felons.
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Teslag said:

AgsWin2011 said:

Teslag said:

AgsWin2011 said:

Neehau said:

Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Neehau said:

If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post


It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.


Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.


"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.


Agreed. That was an extremely disgusting response. If I could pay more money in taxes to guarantee that never happens to my children, I would. Yes, you probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than ever experiencing that, but you actually have to play the lottery to win. This can happen anywhere at any time. I'm all for increasing security in schools. If they can spend tens of millions for sporting complexes, why can't they spend a fraction of that for more secure vestibules and entries/exits, armed officers, etc?


How much per school? Give a number.


$5,000,000 per school. There's your number jackass. I don't know what the number is. Maybe get rid of classes that teach liberal tendencies. I'm not a liberal idiot. I fully support the 2nd amendment. I also support the safety of students and teachers as I have 2 in school and a wife that is a teacher. I can't imagine leaving for work one day and getting the news that these families received today. If you have a problem with that, get f#cked.


There are 131,000 K-12 schools in the United States. At $5 million per school your "solution" costs $655 Billion.

Spread that cost over 100 years and your solution costs $187 million per life saved.


Yes, because CLEARLY I was serious with $5,000,000 per school. All I'm trying to say is that maybe we could give up some of the foo-foo crap architects come up with to increase security measures. Or maybe we could stop spending resources to teach about liberal tendencies and their idiotic beliefs. Cuts can be made. Give and take. Stop with the stupid artistic crap and beef up security. Not sure why that is so hard to compute. But you can sit there with your calculator all night. 80085 looks like BOOBS on a TI-83. Knock yourself out bud.
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Neehau said:

ttha_aggie_09 said:

Neehau said:

El_Zorro said:

Neehau said:

2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

Stop using the term "assault" rifles in your argument. You may or may not understand, but it is not accurate.


It isn't? How is it not accurate?


An assault rifle is a select fire machine gun and already heavily regulated under the NFA.

You mean assault weapon which is a made up term coined by the Clinton administration in the early 90's for a host of high capacity magazine fed semi auto rifles with certain cosmetic features that do nothing to addto the lethality of the weapon system.


No I meant what I said. The assault rifle has replaced the musket as the arm of the period. AR-15's are not assault rifles as they don't have select fire capability.
And Facebook has replaced the quill, what's your point?


My point is no one argues this crucial point. The gun lobby is ok with arms regulation on select fire capabilities but they aren't ok with appropriate training and mental health checks on individuals owning assault weapons. Seems hypocritical and counter productive. You should want people to be responsible gun owners. If that wasn't the case, the gun lobby should be fighting for everyone to be able to own the weapon of the period as members of the regulated militia.
Can you define assault weapon?

Who should do these mental health checks?

Who should control the "appropriate training"?
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Ah yes the school shootings vs flu argument.

Obviously there's no problem because less kids die being gunned down on their way to the library than the flu.

Carry on.
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RangerRick9211 said:

Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Teslag said:

Neehau said:

Agthatbuilds said:

Neehau said:

If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post


It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.


Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.


"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.


Do you think 35 deaths a year out of 350 million people represents a widespread and rampant problem?


27 school shootings YTD out of none that should happen is too many. I don't know your personal definition of widespread or rampant.

I don't know the answer. I have my guns for protection. Luckily we make enough to walled-garden my daughter in private school. We clearly have a problem and hand waving children's lives as mere statistics is disgraceful.
And almost all of those "school shootings" are not actual school shootings because the anti-gun groups that make that list count things like a shooting at 2AM on the basketball court or a suicide as a "school shooting".
 
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