Active shooter Uvalde Elementary school

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In reply to barbacoa taco • 8:34p, 5/24/22
larry culpepper said:
Marcus Brutus said:
suture_scissors said:
Dark_Knight said:
No matter what happens, we can't let them use these logical fallacies as reason to infringe on our rights.
what about the right for children to not be murdered at school


Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the nation and blacks kill each other with guns by the boatload every darn day.
Local gun laws are worthless. Any change has to be on the federal level.


Bull***** The feds ****ed up a website. How they going to "fix" this?

You know the answer. Turn millions of legal
Gun owners into criminals overnight.
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In reply to Agthatbuilds • 8:34p, 5/24/22
Hey look a hard question. I guess that just means EVERYBODY should have one!
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In reply to Bill Clinternet • 8:35p, 5/24/22
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Neehau said:
It's time for a voluntary buyback program and to start mandatory recurring psychological testing for gun owners. This is revolting what just happened.


Your suggestion is revolting.
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In reply to Agthatbuilds • 8:35p, 5/24/22
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Agthatbuilds said:
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Yeah, start with mental health. Because why would we start with trying to keep guns away from the mentally unstable first?


Who determines the line by which its judged one can't have a firearm?


Law enforcement I would suppose
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In reply to Bill Clinternet • 8:37p, 5/24/22
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Neehau said:
Fear InoculAg said:
Neehau said:
It's time for a voluntary buyback program and to start mandatory recurring psychological testing for gun owners. This is revolting what just happened.
Nah, we shouldn't make policy based on an irrational emotional reaction. But you are free to cry about it as much as you want.


You might have a rational point if this was a one off. It isn't. Australia took the guns away and mass shootings are basically non existent. It's population statistics and common sense. No guns. No gun related incidents. Those who resist should be compelled by the government to hand them over or submit to testing to verify fitness to own weapons.


Do you have any concept how many guns there are in this country?

At least 300 million in private hands.

Even if you had the manpower to do house to house searches and even if those in power could stomach the giant pile of bodies that search would result in, I doubt you'd recover even half the guns.

Australia was nowhere near the level of gun ownership we have.

Any whacko that wants to procure a gun would be able to get one with or without an outright ban on guns.
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In reply to Bill Clinternet • 8:38p, 5/24/22
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Neehau said:
Fear InoculAg said:
Neehau said:
It's time for a voluntary buyback program and to start mandatory recurring psychological testing for gun owners. This is revolting what just happened.
Nah, we shouldn't make policy based on an irrational emotional reaction. But you are free to cry about it as much as you want.


You might have a rational point if this was a one off. It isn't. Australia took the guns away and mass shootings are basically non existent. It's population statistics and common sense. No guns. No gun related incidents. Those who resist should be compelled by the government to hand them over or submit to testing to verify fitness to own weapons.


Australia is an island. How ****ing hard is that to understand. this is a ****ing dumb comparison.
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In reply to Ags77 • 8:38p, 5/24/22
Ags77 said:
Agthatbuilds said:
agsfan said:
Yeah, start with mental health. Because why would we start with trying to keep guns away from the mentally unstable first?


Who determines the line by which its judged one can't have a firearm?


Law enforcement I would suppose


It'd have to be a judge. But, really it would have to be legislated.

Problem being that it would most definitely infringe on a right.
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8:38p, 5/24/22
You wana prevent tragedy like this? Actually for once be proactive not reactive. Every time something like this happens it's "What needs to be done is". Alot of good ideas have been brought up in the past, but once a squirrel runs across the yard everyone moves on to the next talking point, and zero is accomplished.
Armed police at schools, keep school entrances and exits only accessible to staff. What happen today should not have happened if we would have learned from from the past.
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In reply to Esteban du Plantier • 8:38p, 5/24/22
Ignore zhim, she's a troll.
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In reply to barbacoa taco • 8:38p, 5/24/22
larry culpepper said:
Marcus Brutus said:
suture_scissors said:
Dark_Knight said:
No matter what happens, we can't let them use these logical fallacies as reason to infringe on our rights.
what about the right for children to not be murdered at school


Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the nation and blacks kill each other with guns by the boatload every darn day.
Local gun laws are worthless. Any change has to be on the federal level.


Yeah, because federal drug laws worked! Lol

You want guns banned nationally because you're a totalitarian. Just like you wanted vaccines mandated.
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8:39p, 5/24/22
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How do you pay more attention to "mental health" without coddling these kids just because their feelings are hurt or because they're experiencing adversity in life?

I think social media and the constant need for attention is a HUGE, HUGE part of this problem that won't ever get talked about on a national level. I personally think it's the primary cause for these "mental health" issues.
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In reply to Ags77 • 8:40p, 5/24/22
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Ags77 said:
Is there any common ground when it comes to trying to reduce these type tragedies ?
Can we agree that we should try to make it harder for sick people like this shooter to get guns ?
I know bad guys and mentally unstable guys will find ways to get guns, but can't we make it harder for them ?
Are red flag laws like DeSantis has supported not good ideas ?
Ps... I want as many law abiding citizens carrying as possible. I have always thought that is maybe our best defense.


It's easy to say that this guy shouldn't have had guns. We all agree on that.

So what about red flag laws, you ask? What happens when your son/nephew/grandson gets divorced, and his vindictive ex decides to accuse him of things that get him on a red flag list, even though he did none of those things? Is it OK that he'll have to wait 3-6 months before the legal system gives him an answer? What if his home is invaded during that stretch, and he has no good way of defending himself? Will the ex go to jail for making a false accusation or get a slap on the wrist while he is injured/vulnerable to violence?

Well what if we have government-supplied mental health professionals or social workers pre-screen people and THEN place them on the list? That sounds all well and dandy, but what happens when the system is corrupted by an entity, let's call it something catchy, maybe a Disinformation Governance Board, and that board says that if you disagree with the board or any of its findings, then you fit one of the mandatory reporting checkboxes that also gets you on the red flag list?

I know these are extreme cases, but with the slippery slope we've seen come true in the last 25 years, they don't seem so extreme to me.

Probably better to promote family values and strong communities like the right is doing, instead of division at every turn like the left is doing.
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8:41p, 5/24/22
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Lol bringing up Australia who basically can tell their citizens when to take a poop.

Get outta here with that bs.
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In reply to barbacoa taco • 8:41p, 5/24/22
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larry culpepper said:
Marcus Brutus said:
suture_scissors said:
Dark_Knight said:
No matter what happens, we can't let them use these logical fallacies as reason to infringe on our rights.
what about the right for children to not be murdered at school


Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the nation and blacks kill each other with guns by the boatload every darn day.
Local gun laws are worthless. Any change has to be on the federal level.


What law do you want first?
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In reply to barbacoa taco • 8:41p, 5/24/22
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larry culpepper said:
Marcus Brutus said:
suture_scissors said:
Dark_Knight said:
No matter what happens, we can't let them use these logical fallacies as reason to infringe on our rights.
what about the right for children to not be murdered at school


Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the nation and blacks kill each other with guns by the boatload every darn day.
Local gun laws are worthless. Any change has to be on the federal level.


you do realize that implementing federal gun laws wont stop all the murders in chicago, dont you?
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In reply to Funky Winkerbean • 8:42p, 5/24/22
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Trying to control the people that do these things is futile. Do you think laws would prevent today?
Yes, I think that in many countries an extremely disturbed and broken child would not realistically be able to obtain a powerful semi-automatic rifle with large magazines that would make him capable of rapidly killing 15+ people even after being engaged by armed law enforcement. This wasn't some gangster with connections to illegal arms traders. It was some high school kid, almost certainly using a gun that was easily, legally purchased over the counter, potentially by the kid himself. Everywhere has disturbed kids, but in most places the disturbed kids don't have access to serious firepower.
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In reply to p_bubel • 8:42p, 5/24/22
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" Australia took the guns away and mass shootings are basically non existent."

They were basically non existent before taking them away too .


To piggy back off this. They were basically non existent as it was here too. Australia took them away in 96 because of a mass shooting(i believe). Sure we unfortunately had the occasional mass shooting here in the states too. The difference between the time Australia took guns away and now is social media wasn't around destroying our kids minds and pharmaceutical companies and Dr's weren't handing out pills like candy at a 4th of July parade because little Johnny looks upset. The uptick came when social media came.
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In reply to Actual Talking Thermos • 8:43p, 5/24/22
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Funky Winkerbean said:
Trying to control the people that do these things is futile. Do you think laws would prevent today?
Yes, I think that in many countries an extremely disturbed and broken child would not realistically be able to obtain a powerful semi-automatic rifle with large magazines that would make him capable of rapidly killing 15+ people even after being engaged by armed law enforcement. This wasn't some gangster with connections to illegal arms traders. It was some high school kid, almost certainly using a gun that was easily, legally purchased over the counter, potentially by the kid himself. Everywhere has disturbed kids, but in most places the disturbed kids don't have access to serious firepower.


You're right. They just used bombs instead
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In reply to agsfan • 8:46p, 5/24/22
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Hey look a hard question. I guess that just means EVERYBODY should have one!


Okay, answer your own question. How do you determine who shouldn't have one?

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In reply to Actual Talking Thermos • 8:47p, 5/24/22
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ActualTalkingThermos said:
Funky Winkerbean said:
Trying to control the people that do these things is futile. Do you think laws would prevent today?
Yes, I think that in many countries an extremely disturbed and broken child would not realistically be able to obtain a powerful semi-automatic rifle with large magazines that would make him capable of rapidly killing 15+ people even after being engaged by armed law enforcement. This wasn't some gangster with connections to illegal arms traders. It was some high school kid, almost certainly using a gun that was easily, legally purchased over the counter, potentially by the kid himself. Everywhere has disturbed kids, but in most places the disturbed kids don't have access to serious firepower.

Nobody wanted that kid to have the gun, and knowing what we know now nobody would have wanted the kid to be able to buy the gun. The problem is there is NO WAY to prevent the kid from LEGALLY getting his hands on the gun without stripping other law-abiding citizens of their rights, which we can NEVER do.
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8:48p, 5/24/22
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If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.
"I am neither an Athenian nor a Greek, but a citizen of the world"-Plato, attributed to Socrates, Theaetetus-
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In reply to Dan Scott • 8:49p, 5/24/22
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Dan Scott said:
Steve Kerr before the game tonight.




Steve Kerr is a POS drama Queen. He doesn't give 2 ****s about Uvalde, Tx, just his politics.
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In reply to Bill Clinternet • 8:49p, 5/24/22
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If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


Troll
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In reply to Bill Clinternet • 8:50p, 5/24/22
Neehau said:
If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


Deranged
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In reply to Bill Clinternet • 8:50p, 5/24/22
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Stop.

Someone would just make a shank out of toilet paper.

Has to be sarcastic troll job.
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In reply to Bill Clinternet • 8:50p, 5/24/22
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Neehau said:
If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.
Tell me you want a Civil War without telling me you want a Civil War
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In reply to Bill Clinternet • 8:50p, 5/24/22
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So your solution to gun violence is to violently remove guns from legal gun owners by gun point?

GTFO
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In reply to Bill Clinternet • 8:50p, 5/24/22
Neehau said:
If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post
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In reply to Bill Clinternet • 8:51p, 5/24/22
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Neehau said:
If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


Since this is your idea you should be the one forcefully disarming people. Do you feel that strongly about it?
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8:52p, 5/24/22
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Why is TA letting a Chinese state puppet in here?
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8:52p, 5/24/22
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We have to stop celebrating and promoting mental illness. It is killing our civilization and culture. Crazy people need to not be in contact with normal people.
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In reply to Marcus Brutus • 8:52p, 5/24/22
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Marcus Brutus said:
larry culpepper said:
Marcus Brutus said:
suture_scissors said:
Dark_Knight said:
No matter what happens, we can't let them use these logical fallacies as reason to infringe on our rights.
what about the right for children to not be murdered at school


Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the nation and blacks kill each other with guns by the boatload every darn day.
Local gun laws are worthless. Any change has to be on the federal level.


Yeah, because federal drug laws worked! Lol

You want guns banned nationally because you're a totalitarian. Just like you wanted vaccines mandated.



I've never advocated for any of that *****

Why is it always all or nothing?
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In reply to Agthatbuilds • 8:53p, 5/24/22
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Agthatbuilds said:
Neehau said:
If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.


This is an unserious post


It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.
"I am neither an Athenian nor a Greek, but a citizen of the world"-Plato, attributed to Socrates, Theaetetus-
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In reply to TommyBrady • 8:53p, 5/24/22
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TommyBrady said:
We have to stop celebrating and promoting mental illness. It is killing our civilization and culture. Crazy people need to not be in contact with normal people.


Oh yeah let's lock up everyone with depression or anxiety.
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8:54p, 5/24/22
I have long predicted that Mexico drug cartels will just become gun cartels. At least for the cannabis sector. Legalize weed, and outlaw AR15s. We still share 2000 miles of open border with Mexico. Unlike a remote island like Australia.
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