AggieHusker said:

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El_Zorro said:

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AggieHusker said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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AggieHusker said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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AggieHusker said:

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TRADUCTOR said:

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Get rid of gun free zones, make all teachers train to carry to maintain employment. BOOM, stats virtually disappear.

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Get rid of guns, make all teachers train to improve learning. BOOM, stats disappear.

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What was used to kill the most students in a school in the history of the U.S.? Hint: it wasn't a gun.

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Assuming you're referring to the Bath School? If not, please educate me.

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Yes, 95 years ago. BTW, most massacres around the world are committed using bombs, not guns.

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I'm asking, not to be snarky, or because I know, but to learn and maybe for us to research together. What are most current (maybe last ~10 years) massacres in the US due to? Guns or bombs? What was the availability of guns in the 1920s vs 2020s?

I realize 43 people were killed in 1927 at the Bath Massacre and 17 or 19 today. (or as the number is revised) Regardless, if it's 17, 19. or 43, it's 1 too many.

I'm genuinely interested in how we get better. How do we reduce this number (regardless if it's guns, bombs, knives, hammers, pushes, punches, kicks, trips) as close to 0 as possible. I realize we'll never get there, but one can hope, right?

Despite my previous few posts that are snarky, I really want to figure this out. The last 12 years have shown me we haven't improved as a society/country. How can we get better as a whole and not alienate half the population to where they don't want to come along in this effort to reduce deaths.

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There is no way in a free society. There are things you can do individually, but there will always be killers and victims. Always.

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Sorry to be direct, but I'm not ok with that answer. Yes, people will always die due to others actions. But as a society, we have to want to reduce preventable deaths as close to 0 as possible. (I agree we'll never get there, but shouldn't 0 be a goal?) All of us, together, regardless of political beliefs have to want to make life for all of us better Yes, we all have individual decisions that can impact others, but there are social constructs, laws, access, environment, etc. that affect us all.

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So how are you going to get rid of guns?

blakegrimez said:

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Can I ask why people are against tighter background checks? I genuinely don't know, which is why I am asking.

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Did you enjoy the government experiment with covid?

I was asking a genuine question as someone who isn't familiar with this topic.

Artorias said:

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AggieHusker said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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AggieHusker said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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AggieHusker said:

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TRADUCTOR said:

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Get rid of gun free zones, make all teachers train to carry to maintain employment. BOOM, stats virtually disappear.

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Get rid of guns, make all teachers train to improve learning. BOOM, stats disappear.

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What was used to kill the most students in a school in the history of the U.S.? Hint: it wasn't a gun.

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Assuming you're referring to the Bath School? If not, please educate me.

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Yes, 95 years ago. BTW, most massacres around the world are committed using bombs, not guns.

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I'm asking, not to be snarky, or because I know, but to learn and maybe for us to research together. What are most current (maybe last ~10 years) massacres in the US due to? Guns or bombs? What was the availability of guns in the 1920s vs 2020s?

I realize 43 people were killed in 1927 at the Bath Massacre and 17 or 19 today (or as the number is revised) Regardless, if it's 17, 19. or 43, it's 1 too many.

I'm genuinely interested in how we get better. How do we reduce this number (regardless if it's guns, bombs, knives, hammers, pushes, punches, kicks, trips) as close to 0 as possible. I realize we'll never get there, but one can hope, right?

Despite my previous few posts that are snarky, I really want to figure this out. The last 12 years have shown me we haven't improved as a society/country. How can we get better as a whole and not alienate half the population to where they don't want to come along in this effort to reduce deaths.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the idea of changing the culture/hearts/minds of the population is simply not going to happen. Period, end of story. If anything, it is only going to degrade even more.

Harden the soft targets, now. Today. It is easy to do, and inexpensive. That will not fix the larger problem, as people bent on killing others will find a place/time to do it, but at least the most innocent won't be the primary targets.

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Why? Why can't the expectation be to improve as a society? Are we okay with child deaths as a country? Why shouldn't we expect deaths at schools to be 0? Why can't we align on this, even if we disagree on how to accomplish it?

This is America.

And I'm giving you my honest opinion.... you trust the government to handle that without bias? Regardless of who's in the white house or controls congress?

I would prefer to try to prevent mentally unstable young men from using guns, rather than those same men using explosives, fire, or a truck.

Guns give those young men a feeling of power much more than almost any deadly device.

What popular action movies do not feature guns? And the most popular video games? These do have an unnatural influence on the minds of many young men.

AggieHusker said:

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Artorias said:

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AggieHusker said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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AggieHusker said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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AggieHusker said:

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TRADUCTOR said:

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Get rid of gun free zones, make all teachers train to carry to maintain employment. BOOM, stats virtually disappear.

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Get rid of guns, make all teachers train to improve learning. BOOM, stats disappear.

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What was used to kill the most students in a school in the history of the U.S.? Hint: it wasn't a gun.

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Assuming you're referring to the Bath School? If not, please educate me.

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Yes, 95 years ago. BTW, most massacres around the world are committed using bombs, not guns.

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I'm asking, not to be snarky, or because I know, but to learn and maybe for us to research together. What are most current (maybe last ~10 years) massacres in the US due to? Guns or bombs? What was the availability of guns in the 1920s vs 2020s?

I realize 43 people were killed in 1927 at the Bath Massacre and 17 or 19 today (or as the number is revised) Regardless, if it's 17, 19. or 43, it's 1 too many.

I'm genuinely interested in how we get better. How do we reduce this number (regardless if it's guns, bombs, knives, hammers, pushes, punches, kicks, trips) as close to 0 as possible. I realize we'll never get there, but one can hope, right?

Despite my previous few posts that are snarky, I really want to figure this out. The last 12 years have shown me we haven't improved as a society/country. How can we get better as a whole and not alienate half the population to where they don't want to come along in this effort to reduce deaths.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the idea of changing the culture/hearts/minds of the population is simply not going to happen. Period, end of story. If anything, it is only going to degrade even more.

Harden the soft targets, now. Today. It is easy to do, and inexpensive. That will not fix the larger problem, as people bent on killing others will find a place/time to do it, but at least the most innocent won't be the primary targets.

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Why? Why can't the expectation be to improve as a society? Are we okay with child deaths as a country? Why shouldn't we expect deaths at schools to be 0? Why can't we align on this, even if we disagree on how to accomplish it?

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I am ok with gun deaths caused by criminals as long as I am allowed to protect my family with a firearm without fear of government restrictions on that right.

Deaths at school will never be zero. Never.

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Thankfully sounds like mostly nothing. One victim outside, status unknown, shooter somewhere on the school premises. Tweets seem to imply all students are safe.


By the way, this will be counted in the stats as a "school shooting". Any gun related activity in or near schools, involving students or not, is treated that way.

For instance, in one list of "school shootings" is a suicide at midnight, in the parking lot of a Montessori school.

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well this aged horribly

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I would prefer to try to prevent mentally unstable young men from using guns, rather than those same men using explosives, fire, or a truck.

Guns give those young men a feeling of power much more than almost any deadly device.

What popular action movies do not feature guns? And the most popular video games? These do have an unnatural influence on the minds of many young men.

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I wouldn't. I like my chances in a gunfight against the unstable men. A Ryder truck bomb, not so much.

We've normalized immortality... decided it's not humane to lock up mentally ill... praised idiocy... decided Christianity is evil... called right wrong and wrong right... and then look to blame guns above all else.

AggieHusker said:

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Artorias said:

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AggieHusker said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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AggieHusker said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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AggieHusker said:

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TRADUCTOR said:

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Get rid of gun free zones, make all teachers train to carry to maintain employment. BOOM, stats virtually disappear.

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Get rid of guns, make all teachers train to improve learning. BOOM, stats disappear.

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What was used to kill the most students in a school in the history of the U.S.? Hint: it wasn't a gun.

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Assuming you're referring to the Bath School? If not, please educate me.

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Yes, 95 years ago. BTW, most massacres around the world are committed using bombs, not guns.

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I'm asking, not to be snarky, or because I know, but to learn and maybe for us to research together. What are most current (maybe last ~10 years) massacres in the US due to? Guns or bombs? What was the availability of guns in the 1920s vs 2020s?

I realize 43 people were killed in 1927 at the Bath Massacre and 17 or 19 today (or as the number is revised) Regardless, if it's 17, 19. or 43, it's 1 too many.

I'm genuinely interested in how we get better. How do we reduce this number (regardless if it's guns, bombs, knives, hammers, pushes, punches, kicks, trips) as close to 0 as possible. I realize we'll never get there, but one can hope, right?

Despite my previous few posts that are snarky, I really want to figure this out. The last 12 years have shown me we haven't improved as a society/country. How can we get better as a whole and not alienate half the population to where they don't want to come along in this effort to reduce deaths.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the idea of changing the culture/hearts/minds of the population is simply not going to happen. Period, end of story. If anything, it is only going to degrade even more.

Harden the soft targets, now. Today. It is easy to do, and inexpensive. That will not fix the larger problem, as people bent on killing others will find a place/time to do it, but at least the most innocent won't be the primary targets.

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Why? Why can't the expectation be to improve as a society? Are we okay with child deaths as a country? Why shouldn't we expect deaths at schools to be 0? Why can't we align on this, even if we disagree on how to accomplish it?

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Because the fundamental concepts of what an "improved society" looks like are diametrically opposite between liberals and conservatives. That divide is not going to shrink.
Of course we should not be OK with child deaths, and should strive for ZERO school deaths.
Which is why I said take the simple, practical, and inexpensive steps to secure the schools.
There is a reason these lunatics always pick the softest targets. Take that away from them.

After reading these comments, TexAgs would be so much better with just Aggies.

Okay I think I understand now. The argument is that with tighter background checks, it would go too far and prevent people that don't have criminal records/mental illnesses from purchasing guns.

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Why can't we stop the political BS and work together on things that could minimize these tragedies

Tighter background checks with red flag warnings

Armed officers in every school

Armed trained teachers in every school

These are things we could act on now across party lines to at Least make our schools non soft targets

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I appreciate your reply and perspective. This is a complicated issue.

I guess I worded my statement inadequately. Guns do not scare me as much as bombs.

I had a neighbor who killed his mother, sister, and 18-month-old niece with a gun. He was using drugs, but I never thought he was capable of killing anyone. Ironically, his seven-year-old niece was at school during the shootings. She spent the night after the shootings at our house.

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I appreciate your reply and perspective. This is a complicated issue.

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No worries. I spent a lot of years thinking about this exact issue when I was a fed. I came to the conclusion that I am going to protect mine. That is all anyone can really ask for. You need to start planning and training to protect yours.

My individual plan is that I am always armed. My wife is armed and trains regularly. Our kids go to a target hardened private school. Always be vigilante.

Even this is no guarantee. But I appreciate the opportunity to live in a country where I am allowed to protect myself and not rely on the government for my daily living security.

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Okay I think I understand now. The argument is that with tighter background checks, it would go too far and prevent people that don't have criminal records/mental illnesses from purchasing guns.

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Tighter background checks is just generic filler to do "something." We must do "something," despite that doing "something" often makes things worse and invokes the law of unintended consequences. The feds had to do "something" when there was a slight possibility a baby formula plant was contaminated, so they shut the thing down and now we have a nationwide formula shortage. We had to do "something" to open up housing to more people that couldn't afford it, and we got the Great Recession. We had to do "something" to make health insurance affordable, and now no one can afford it. We had do do "something" to get more people to college so we guaranteed student loans that drove the cost of college up while a whole bunch of people got worthless degrees. Then we had to do "something" about the amount of student loan debt. We had to do "something" about Covid and, well, here we are. Government solutions rarely work out as intended. Hence the hesitancy to trust them.

I say let staff conceal carry to protect THEMSELVES. Gun free zones in schools obviously doesn't work. The shooters just seem to ignore the law! Strange. If staff and faculty CHOOSE to protect children it will be their option but never their job. It won't be the wild Wild West. That myth has been proven.

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I say let staff conceal carry to protect THEMSELVES. Gun free zones in schools obviously doesn't work. The shooters just seem to ignore the law! Strange. If staff and faculty CHOOSE to protect children it will be their option but never their job. It won't be the wild Wild West. That myth has been proven.

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Umm, don't you remember when Texas allowed college students to carry on campus, and when Texas passed open carry? Don't you remember all the shootouts in the streets, and duels at dusk? It was like a war zone!!!

Didnt parkland have an armed officer?

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I say let staff conceal carry to protect THEMSELVES. Gun free zones in schools obviously doesn't work. The shooters just seem to ignore the law! Strange. If staff and faculty CHOOSE to protect children it will be their option but never their job. It won't be the wild Wild West. That myth has been proven.

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Umm, don't you remember when Texas allowed college students to carry on campus, and when Texas passed open carry? Don't you remember all the shootouts in the streets, and duels at dusk? It was like a war zone!!!

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Just another of the hysterical hyperventilations from the Left - "oh my God immature college kids carrying guns - they'll be shooting their profs everyday!"

Just like "oh my God requiring a picture ID to vote will suppress the right to vote" and all the other stupid claims they made.

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Increase access to mental health care and destigmatize it to start. Our youth are absolutely ****ed because of social media and access to good mental care can be very expensive and hard to come by.

I'd bet you know a far amount of people with demons they keep to themselves because it's still perceived as being "weak" or "snowflake" etc

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Destigmitize ? How about we reopen mental institutions and get these unstable violent people out of schools?

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Yes, Destigmitize.

Mental health in this country is laughed at and people who have any sort of it are ashamed because they are viewed as "weak". Because of that many don't seek help and it isn't cheap

As I said, I'd bet you have a good bit in your circle as we all do but nobody wants to talk about it. But we'll talk about physical ailments all day.

You can't just "throw the mean guys is mental institutions". Who is policing that? If this shooter had no prior history how would he have been deemed crazy enough for detention?

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Steve Kerr is a POS drama Queen. He doesn't give 2 ****s about Uvalde, Tx, just his politics.

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Maybe he's dramatic, but he cares more about Uvalde than 90% of the posters in this thread.

F16 is more pissed at him for his comments than they are about what happened today.

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That's untrue. He's mad at guns and Republicans.

He has misdiagnosed the problem.

I'm mad as hell and, being the father of 2 elementary school children, totally sickened by today's events. But I blame the murderer. I blame our society which has given up on boys and tried to make them into something they are not. I blame our society for divesting from the nuclear family. I blame our society for letting fringe academic theories take hold and poison the minds of our people. I blame social media for harming our youth and appealing to the dark side of us all.

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I'm also mad at Republicans (and Democrats) They refuse to do anything about this problem. I'm not talking about gun bans, I'm talking about feasible solutions. Want an armed guard in every school? Ok then do it. Want to invest in mental healthcare? Ok then do it. They wont. Because it costs too much money or whatever bull**** excuse we tell ourselves.

Completely disagree on all the societal issues you blame, like leftists in academia or stuff about the nuclear family. I see no evidence of a causal correlation, other than general terrible parenting of these killers. Social media is a major net negative, wont argue there.

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Isn't a true nuclear family one of the keys to good parenting? It may not be the alpha and omega of good parenting, but it certainly seems to help.

Now excuse my while I go play Grand Theft Auto or maybe Call of Duty or maybe Postal…….

AggieHusker said:

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El_Zorro said:

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AggieHusker said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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AggieHusker said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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AggieHusker said:

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TRADUCTOR said:

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Get rid of gun free zones, make all teachers train to carry to maintain employment. BOOM, stats virtually disappear.

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Get rid of guns, make all teachers train to improve learning. BOOM, stats disappear.

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What was used to kill the most students in a school in the history of the U.S.? Hint: it wasn't a gun.

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Assuming you're referring to the Bath School? If not, please educate me.

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Yes, 95 years ago. BTW, most massacres around the world are committed using bombs, not guns.

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I'm asking, not to be snarky, or because I know, but to learn and maybe for us to research together. What are most current (maybe last ~10 years) massacres in the US due to? Guns or bombs? What was the availability of guns in the 1920s vs 2020s?

I realize 43 people were killed in 1927 at the Bath Massacre and 17 or 19 today. (or as the number is revised) Regardless, if it's 17, 19. or 43, it's 1 too many.

I'm genuinely interested in how we get better. How do we reduce this number (regardless if it's guns, bombs, knives, hammers, pushes, punches, kicks, trips) as close to 0 as possible. I realize we'll never get there, but one can hope, right?

Despite my previous few posts that are snarky, I really want to figure this out. The last 12 years have shown me we haven't improved as a society/country. How can we get better as a whole and not alienate half the population to where they don't want to come along in this effort to reduce deaths.

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There is no way in a free society. There are things you can do individually, but there will always be killers and victims. Always.

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Sorry to be direct, but I'm not ok with that answer. Yes, people will always die due to others actions. But as a society, we have to want to reduce preventable deaths as close to 0 as possible. (I agree we'll never get there, but shouldn't 0 be a goal?) All of us, together, regardless of political beliefs have to want to make life for all of us better Yes, we all have individual decisions that can impact others, but there are social constructs, laws, access, environment, etc. that affect us all.

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Bro, murder is already illegal. I looked it up, it's a law.

call me a squish but there's no reason an 18 year old should be able to buy a semi auto long gun

make that the same as hand guns

AggieHusker said:

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El_Zorro said:

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AggieHusker said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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AggieHusker said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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AggieHusker said:

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TRADUCTOR said:

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Get rid of gun free zones, make all teachers train to carry to maintain employment. BOOM, stats virtually disappear.

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Get rid of guns, make all teachers train to improve learning. BOOM, stats disappear.

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What was used to kill the most students in a school in the history of the U.S.? Hint: it wasn't a gun.

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Assuming you're referring to the Bath School? If not, please educate me.

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Yes, 95 years ago. BTW, most massacres around the world are committed using bombs, not guns.

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I'm asking, not to be snarky, or because I know, but to learn and maybe for us to research together. What are most current (maybe last ~10 years) massacres in the US due to? Guns or bombs? What was the availability of guns in the 1920s vs 2020s?

I realize 43 people were killed in 1927 at the Bath Massacre and 17 or 19 today. (or as the number is revised) Regardless, if it's 17, 19. or 43, it's 1 too many.

I'm genuinely interested in how we get better. How do we reduce this number (regardless if it's guns, bombs, knives, hammers, pushes, punches, kicks, trips) as close to 0 as possible. I realize we'll never get there, but one can hope, right?

Despite my previous few posts that are snarky, I really want to figure this out. The last 12 years have shown me we haven't improved as a society/country. How can we get better as a whole and not alienate half the population to where they don't want to come along in this effort to reduce deaths.

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There is no way in a free society. There are things you can do individually, but there will always be killers and victims. Always.

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Sorry to be direct, but I'm not ok with that answer. Yes, people will always die due to others actions. But as a society, we have to want to reduce preventable deaths as close to 0 as possible. (I agree we'll never get there, but shouldn't 0 be a goal?) All of us, together, regardless of political beliefs have to want to make life for all of us better Yes, we all have individual decisions that can impact others, but there are social constructs, laws, access, environment, etc. that affect us all.

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We have tons of laws already. For instance it's illegal to murder.

Murder is already illegal and in a sick, twisted way we are blessed that these psychos self limit themselves to guns to because homemade bombs are far easier and much more deadly

is it easier to get bomb precursors than a long gun and ammo?

I find that hard to believe in 2022

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call me a squish but there's no reason an 18 year old should be able to buy a semi auto long gun

make that the same as hand guns

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Shall we make those 18yr olds use baseball bats when they're fighting for our freedom?

Same with voting. And joining the military. Come on, people should be mature citizens by 18. If not, they should be separated from society in some fashion. Where is the school system and file on development over 12 years in this kid's life? What the hell do all the levels of school administrators, counselors, nurses, coaches, teachers do? Why didn't this problem kid get pulled aside years ago? Maybe we need to just scrap the public school system and use that money to provide support for alternatives. This system sucks and is full of worthless "professionals".

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cone said:

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call me a squish but there's no reason an 18 year old should be able to buy a semi auto long gun

make that the same as hand guns

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Shall we make those 18yr olds use baseball bats when they're fighting for our freedom?

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He didn't say they couldn't use them just buy them.

I thought the argument was there are so many guns available for freedom fighting anyone who would need one could get it at that time?

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is it easier to get bomb precursors than a long gun and ammo?

I find that hard to believe in 2022

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How hard is it to buy a pressure cooker and ball bearings? This murderer went through a full FBI background check from a licensed FFL dealer.

It will be interesting to learn (and we will) what gun store sold a kid turning 18 that day 2 AR's. Interesting, as in, it was pretty dumb, and that business already probably is having fake evidence planted by the FBI about them anyway and will be shut down likely by the end of the week.