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AgsMyDude said:

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TommyBrady said:

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We have to stop celebrating and promoting mental illness. It is killing our civilization and culture. Crazy people need to not be in contact with normal people.

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Oh yeah let's lock up everyone with depression or anxiety.

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Oh you owned me with your illogical post. Obviously it would be people who are determined to be a danger to society.

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Your post was more illogical lmao

Who determines this?

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Exactly. Who decides which people are a danger to society? This is a very slippery slope.

quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Just going to drop some info here for anyone interested:






Resources in Response to the Robb Elementary School Shooting

In response to the Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde Texas, the National Child Traumatic Stress Network has developed resources to help children, families, educators, and communities navigate what they are seeing and hearing, acknowledge their feelings, and find ways to cope together. These resources include:

• Talking to Children about the Shooting
• Helping Youth After a Community Trauma: Tips for Educators (En Español)
• Talking to Children: When Scary Things Happen (En Español)
• Talking to Teens about Violence (En Español)
• Tips for Talking to Students about Violence
• Coping After Mass Violence: For Adults
• For Teens: Coping After Mass Violence(En Español)
• Helping School-Age Children with Traumatic Grief: Tips for Caregivers (En Español)
• Helping Teens with Traumatic Grief: Tips for Caregivers(En Español)
• Helping Young Children with Traumatic Grief: Tips for Caregivers (En Español)
• Guiding Adults in Talking to Children about Death and Attending Services
• After a Crisis: Helping Young Children Heal
• Age-Related Reactions to a Traumatic Event
• Once I Was Very Very Scared children's book for young children
• After the Injurywebsite for families with injured children
• Health Care Toolboxwebsite for pediatric health providers working with injured children
• Pause-Reset-Nourish (PRN) to Promote Wellbeing (En Español) (for responders)

Psychological First Aid
The NCTSN also has resources for responders on Psychological First Aid (PFA; En Español). PFA is an early intervention to support children, adolescents, adults, and families impacted by these types of events. PFA Mobile and the PFA Wallet Card (En Español) provide a quick reminder of the core actions. The PFA online training course is also available on the NCTSN Learning Center.

Additional PFA resources for schools include:

• Psychological First Aid for Schools (PFA-S) Field operations guide
• Providing PFA-S: For Health-Related Professionals handout
• Providing PFA-S: For Principals and Administrators handout
• Providing PFA-S: For School Support Staff handout
• Providing PFA-S: For Teachers - handout

From the National Mass Violence and Victimization Resource Center

• Transcend (mobile app to assist with recovery after mass violence)
• Rebuild your Community: Resources for Community Leaders
• Media Guidelines for Homicide Family Survivors
• Timeline of Activities to Promote Mental Health Recovery
• Self-Help: Resources for Survivors
• E-learning Courses: Trainings for Clinicians
• Resources for Victim Assistance Professionals

From the Center for the Study of Traumatic Stress at the Uniformed Services University

• Grief Leadership: Leadership in the Wake of Tragedy
• Leadership Communication: Anticipating and Responding to Stressful Events
• Coping with Stress Following a Mass Shooting

Disaster Helpline
SAMHSA has a Disaster Distress Helpline call or text 1-800-985-5990 (for Spanish, press "2") to be connected to a trained counselor 24/7/365.

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Is there any common ground when it comes to trying to reduce these type tragedies ?
Can we agree that we should try to make it harder for sick people like this shooter to get guns ?
I know bad guys and mentally unstable guys will find ways to get guns, but can't we make it harder for them ?
Are red flag laws like DeSantis has supported not good ideas ?
Ps... I want as many law abiding citizens carrying as possible. I have always thought that is maybe our best defense.

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The problem is, how do you do that, without stomping all over the rights of the tens of millions of law abiding gun owners who haven't done anything wrong?

If you are going to take away any of a person's fundamental rights - life, liberty, or property, including the right to acquire and own firearms - there has to be due process. That means, just like in a criminal trial, through a legal proceeding, with the accused having the right to legal counsel, and proving it beyond a reasonable doubt. BEFORE you can take that right or rights away from them. (And yes, I do think so-called 'red flag' laws are big time due process violations.)

Proving beyond a reasonable doubt that a person is mentally unstable and violent, absent any overt threats or acts, is a very, very difficult task. The kinds of threats and actions that would meet the threshold are almost certainly going to be criminal in and of themselves, which makes it kind of a moot point.

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Steve Kerr is a POS drama Queen. He doesn't give 2 ****s about Uvalde, Tx, just his politics.

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Maybe he's dramatic, but he cares more about Uvalde than 90% of the posters in this thread.

F16 is more pissed at him for his comments than they are about what happened today.

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That's untrue. He's mad at guns and Republicans.

He has misdiagnosed the problem.

I'm mad as hell and, being the father of 2 elementary school children, totally sickened by today's events. But I blame the murderer. I blame our society which has given up on boys and tried to make them into something they are not. I blame our society for divesting from the nuclear family. I blame our society for letting fringe academic theories take hold and poison the minds of our people. I blame social media for harming our youth and appealing to the dark side of us all.

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I'm also mad at Republicans (and Democrats) They refuse to do anything about this problem. I'm not talking about gun bans, I'm talking about feasible solutions. Want an armed guard in every school? Ok then do it. Want to invest in mental healthcare? Ok then do it. They wont. Because it costs too much money or whatever bull**** excuse we tell ourselves.

Completely disagree on all the societal issues you blame, like leftists in academia or stuff about the nuclear family. I see no evidence of a causal correlation, other than general terrible parenting of these killers. Social media is a major net negative, wont argue there.

What makes him care more? Because he raised his voice and slammed his hand on the table?

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The communists are coming out of the woodworks for this event.

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Very mature response

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This deranged kid could've walked into any gun store in Texas and walked out with that rifle. The one that allowed him to kill 15+ people even after the Good Guys With Guns had engaged him. If he'd instead walked into a convenience store and tried to buy a six-pack of light beer he'd have been told no, he wasn't old enough to be allowed to mess around with something that dangerous.

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If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.

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This is an unserious post

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It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.

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Children are not getting gun downed in schools. These are extremely rare events.

I want to protect the lives while preserving rights. You don't have the answer, you just think you do.

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Children aren't getting gunned down in schools? Did you watch the news today?

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You used schools, with an s. That's plural. There was a shooting today. It's extremely rare. You lying about it doesn't make it so.

larry culpepper said:

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larry culpepper said:

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Rip*91 said:

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Steve Kerr is a POS drama Queen. He doesn't give 2 ****s about Uvalde, Tx, just his politics.

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Maybe he's dramatic, but he cares more about Uvalde than 90% of the posters in this thread.

F16 is more pissed at him for his comments than they are about what happened today.

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That's untrue. He's mad at guns and Republicans.

He has misdiagnosed the problem.

I'm mad as hell and, being the father of 2 elementary school children, totally sickened by today's events. But I blame the murderer. I blame our society which has given up on boys and tried to make them into something they are not. I blame our society for divesting from the nuclear family. I blame our society for letting fringe academic theories take hold and poison the minds of our people. I blame social media for harming our youth and appealing to the dark side of us all.

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I'm also mad at Republicans (and Democrats) They refuse to do anything about this problem. I'm not talking about gun bans, I'm talking about feasible solutions. Want an armed guard in every school? Ok then do it. Want to invest in mental healthcare? Ok then do it. They wont. Because it costs too much money or whatever bull**** excuse we tell ourselves.

Completely disagree on all the societal issues you blame, like leftists in academia or stuff about the nuclear family. I see no evidence of a causal correlation, other than general terrible parenting of these killers. Social media is a major net negative, wont argue there.

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How much should we spend to save 35 lives per year. Give me a number.

larry culpepper said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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larry culpepper said:

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Rip*91 said:

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Steve Kerr is a POS drama Queen. He doesn't give 2 ****s about Uvalde, Tx, just his politics.

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Maybe he's dramatic, but he cares more about Uvalde than 90% of the posters in this thread.

F16 is more pissed at him for his comments than they are about what happened today.

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That's untrue. He's mad at guns and Republicans.

He has misdiagnosed the problem.

I'm mad as hell and, being the father of 2 elementary school children, totally sickened by today's events. But I blame the murderer. I blame our society which has given up on boys and tried to make them into something they are not. I blame our society for divesting from the nuclear family. I blame our society for letting fringe academic theories take hold and poison the minds of our people. I blame social media for harming our youth and appealing to the dark side of us all.

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I'm also mad at Republicans (and Democrats) They refuse to do anything about this problem. I'm not talking about gun bans, I'm talking about feasible solutions. Want an armed guard in every school? Ok then do it. Want to invest in mental healthcare? Ok then do it. They wont. Because it costs too much money or whatever bull**** excuse we tell ourselves.

Completely disagree on all the societal issues you blame, like leftists in academia or stuff about the nuclear family. I see no evidence of a causal correlation, other than general terrible parenting of these killers. Social media is a major net negative, wont argue there.

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That's fine. I think we could start another thread about how societal trends have led to a degradation of boys, specifically.

I'm not some Steve Kerr fan but he obviously does care. Any human being with common sense can see that. Most people are distraught by these events.

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This deranged kid could've walked into any gun store in Texas and walked out with that rifle. The one that allowed him to kill 15+ people even after the Good Guys With Guns had engaged him. If he'd instead walked into a convenience store and tried to buy a six-pack of light beer he'd have been told no, he wasn't old enough to be allowed to mess around with something that dangerous.

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Was he old enough to be in the military?

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This deranged kid could've walked into any gun store in Texas and walked out with that rifle. The one that allowed him to kill 15+ people even after the Good Guys With Guns had engaged him. If he'd instead walked into a convenience store and tried to buy a six-pack of light beer he'd have been told no, he wasn't old enough to be allowed to mess around with something that dangerous.

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Are you proposing to raise the gun age to 21 and stop there? No more additional restrictions?

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I'm not some Steve Kerr fan but he obviously does care. Any human being with common sense can see that. Most people are distraught by these events.

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No, he doesn't care at all. These people like him are disgusting.

He don't care.

But he pounded the table like he means business.

Ags77 said:

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Is there any common ground when it comes to trying to reduce these type tragedies ?
Can we agree that we should try to make it harder for sick people like this shooter to get guns ?
I know bad guys and mentally unstable guys will find ways to get guns, but can't we make it harder for them ?
Are red flag laws like DeSantis has supported not good ideas ?
Ps... I want as many law abiding citizens carrying as possible. I have always thought that is maybe our best defense.

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At least give it a day or two before politicizing it. T&P

larry culpepper said:

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I'm not some Steve Kerr fan but he obviously does care. Any human being with common sense can see that. Most people are distraught by these events.

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Steve Kerr knew there was a camera there. That's what he does. We all care about the event.

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If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.

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This is an unserious post

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It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.

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Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.

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"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.

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larry culpepper said:

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I'm not some Steve Kerr fan but he obviously does care. Any human being with common sense can see that. Most people are distraught by these events.

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Steve Kerr knew there was a camera there. That's what he does. We all care about the event.

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Steve Kerr is a Popvich wannabe

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I'm not some Steve Kerr fan but he obviously does care. Any human being with common sense can see that. Most people are distraught by these events.

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He genuinely cares. That is the problem with most useful idiots. That's what makes them such ideal marks.

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Teslag said:

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Neehau said:

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If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.

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This is an unserious post

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It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.

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Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.

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"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.

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Stop with the fake sanctimony. You're here to troll and capitalize on a tragedy in order to spread your far left bull***** Get lost. You shrug your shoulders at millions of abortions every year. This is nothing more than a crisis to capitalize on for you and your ilk.

Neehau said:

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Teslag said:

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Neehau said:

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Neehau said:

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If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.

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This is an unserious post

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It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.

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Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.

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"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.

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Aren't you from China? Or at least a fervent sympathizer? If I have you mistaken for another poster, I apologize. If not, please don't open your mouth when it comes to valuing human life.

If I need advice on how to shoot a basketball I will ask Steve Kerr.

And this thread is a good example of emotion verses logic pertaining to a problem. A dog bites you without provocation, you kill the dog. This is an emotional response instead of finding the owner and making him responsible for the dog biting you. The owner is just going to get another dog and train it to be vicious.

Decisions from emotion has led to more disasters and problems than anything else. Smollett is another example of emotion determining outcomes and so is the #MeToo movement, which destroyed innocent men and used as a weapon to tarnish reputations.

Yes, what happened today was a tragedy but before we do anything, lets look at the facts logically and find good solutions..

One does not cut off his nose to spite his face.

Banning guns is not going to solve the problem for criminals will always have guns and the law abiding, especially with crime rampant and increasing, will always be victims.

Neehau said:

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If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.

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If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle

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And this thread is a good example of emotion verses logic pertaining to a problem. A dog bites you without provocation, you kill the dog. This is an emotional response instead of finding the owner and making him responsible for the dog biting you. The owner is just going to get another dog and train it to be vicious.

Decisions from emotion has led to more disasters and problems than anything else. Smollett is another example of emotion determining outcomes and so is the #MeToo movement, which destroyed innocent men and used as a weapon to tarnish reputations.

Yes, what happened today was a tragedy but before we do anything, lets look at the facts logically and find good solutions..

One does not cut off his nose to spite his face.

Banning guns is not going to solve the problem for criminals will always have guns and the law abiding, especially with crime rampant and increasing, will always be victims.

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I couldn't agree more! The thing is, we have had years to "look at the facts logically and find good solutions." So it's time to take action on that. If we aren't ready, let's talk about solutions and provide data on what will work.

I think we're past the talk of "criminals will always have guns." We know that. We have to craft policy with that in mind.

Neehau said:

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Teslag said:

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Neehau said:

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Marcus Brutus said:

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Neehau said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Neehau said:

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If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.

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This is an unserious post

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It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.

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Children are not getting gun downed in schools. These are extremely rare events.

I want to protect the lives while preserving rights. You don't have the answer, you just think you do.

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Children aren't getting gunned down in schools? Did you watch the news today?

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More people are stuck by lighting each year than children murdered in schools.

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So you're trying to manufacture some type of moral equivalency or dismantle an immoral equivalency? You don't see how that is vacant and arguably sociopathic?

Childrens lives are more important than weapons I would think.

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Well, you're going to need a constitutional amendment. Your bones will be dust before that happens my friend.

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery. Get back to me when we stop murdering millions of babies in the womb.

As far as forcefully taking guns. PM me. I'll give you my name and address and you can come take mine.

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Neehau said:

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Teslag said:

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Neehau said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Neehau said:

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If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.

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This is an unserious post

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It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.

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Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.

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"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.

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Stop with the fake sanctimony. You're here to troll and capitalize on a tragedy in order to spread your far left bull***** Get lost. You shrug your shoulders at millions of abortions every year. This is nothing more than a crisis to capitalize on for you and your ilk.

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It unfortunate you see it that way. Nothing to capitalize. Just another day in America where assault rifles have replaced the musket….

Shall not be infringed.

Neehau said:

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Neehau said:

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Teslag said:

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Neehau said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Neehau said:

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If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.

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This is an unserious post

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It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.

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Only 35 or so kids die from school killings each year. Your hysterics in attempt to strip civil liberties are duly noted.

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"Only 35"…….1 is too many. I had to adjust my glasses and reread your post to make sure I read it correctly. Wow.

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Stop with the fake sanctimony. You're here to troll and capitalize on a tragedy in order to spread your far left bull***** Get lost. You shrug your shoulders at millions of abortions every year. This is nothing more than a crisis to capitalize on for you and your ilk.

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It unfortunate you see it that way. Nothing to capitalize. Just another day in America where assault rifles have replaced the musket….

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You don't even know what an assault rifle is.

Wanna bet?

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Wanna bet?

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You don't seem to.

larry culpepper said:

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APHIS AG said:

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And this thread is a good example of emotion verses logic pertaining to a problem. A dog bites you without provocation, you kill the dog. This is an emotional response instead of finding the owner and making him responsible for the dog biting you. The owner is just going to get another dog and train it to be vicious.

Decisions from emotion has led to more disasters and problems than anything else. Smollett is another example of emotion determining outcomes and so is the #MeToo movement, which destroyed innocent men and used as a weapon to tarnish reputations.

Yes, what happened today was a tragedy but before we do anything, lets look at the facts logically and find good solutions..

One does not cut off his nose to spite his face.

Banning guns is not going to solve the problem for criminals will always have guns and the law abiding, especially with crime rampant and increasing, will always be victims.

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I couldn't agree more! The thing is, we have had years to "look at the facts logically and find good solutions." So it's time to take action on that. If we aren't ready, let's talk about solutions and provide data on what will work.

I think we're past the talk of "criminals will always have guns." We know that. We have to craft policy with that in mind.

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The first and easiest thing that can be done everywhere is to fix the soft targets these shooters keep picking over and over and over. Why, in 2022, every school does not have an armed resource officer, more secure entrances and classrooms, etc. is beyond me. Increasing the security of schools is an easy problem to solve, but for some unknown reason many do not seem to want to do it.

Post a link to an assault rifle for sale please, I'd like to possibly purchase

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It unfortunate you see it that way. Nothing to capitalize. Just another day in America where assault rifles have replaced the musket….

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You don't even know what an assault rifle is.

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Not a single person that uses that term for semi-auto rifles knows what an actual assault weapon is.