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Without them committing a crime first, you are correct. We hold lots of people for competency restoration with pending serious charges.

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Most armed teachers aren't carrying on campus. The firearm is in a safe in the classroom. There wouldn't have been time to get a weapon once he was inside.

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My teacher wife keeps hers in a bra holster while at school.

I'd be good with concealed carry, open carry I'd be against. I can think of 100 kids here that can overpower any teacher/coach on campus if they wanted to.

Most of them would never consider that but there's a couple that would make me nervous.

Pictures or it didn't happen.

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Pictures or it didn't happen.

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call me a squish but there's no reason an 18 year old should be able to buy a semi auto long gun

make that the same as hand guns

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I saw plenty of 18, 19, and 20 year olds with me in Iraq carrying beltfed machine guns, frags, and anti armor weapons.

If they can do that, they should be able to buy guns, including pistols, and buy alcohol at 18.

Nobody shot each other either. Plenty of physical fights though. So it's not the guns. They didn't magically make them use them on each other.

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I somewhat disagree because angry edge-lord 18 year old with black fingernail paint doesn't go through the same supervising/vetting that comes from basic training and military command structure.

Unless you're military or police, I say the gun shops hold back on selling weapons to anyone under the age of 25. In terms of gifting guns to anyone below that threshold, I say allow it, but if the individual commits a rare atrocity like this, the giver should be subject to severe legal retribution. Basically make the giver put their own life on the line first, before anyone else's. I'm sure a lot of you would have no problems trusting your kids with that responsibility, and are already doing that.

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This is where I see a huge disconnect in the perception vs realty of how people actually live. I am only going to assume you have lived the majority of your life in larger cities. You seem completely ignorant of how a large portion of this country lives out in the sticks. Guns are tools that a ton of people grow up around and using in their proper manner. Maybe we should place some regulation on people that live in cities with a population of greater than 10,000.

I dropped my kid off for his second to last day of 3rd grade this morning with a Cop standing at the front door. It's said that we have do things like this.

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If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.

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It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.

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Children are not getting gun downed in schools. These are extremely rare events.

I want to protect the lives while preserving rights. You don't have the answer, you just think you do.

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Children aren't getting gunned down in schools? Did you watch the news today?

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No, children aren't getting gunned down in schools to any serious degree.

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Since 1970, there have been 1,924 incidents involving the discharge of a firearm on school property and 637 people have died.

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51 years of data.
12.5 deaths per year.
https://www.campussafetymagazine.com/safety/k-12-school-shooting-statistics-everyone-should-know/

While tragic, 218 children aged 0-17 have died of the flu since January 1, 2020. 218 children in 2 years, 5 months. Not covid, influenza.

https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true

In 2020 alone 1,315 children ages 0-15 died in car accidents (423 aged 0-5).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS9iSdawxKZE4aJboNhwK34EAU51R9q50LB2UF7C6nWl7p2crGh-TH4KPmw6WLX5Orl9yUiYm17ztWk/pubhtml

1,153 children 14 and under died of cancer in 2020.

https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/update-on-cancer-deaths/index.htm

So while very dramatic, spectacular and scary (aided in no small amount by media hype), the reality is that many, many other things are much more threatening to children than school shootings.

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Cancer Deaths
Flu Deaths
Automobile accident deaths
Gun Deaths

One of these is not like the others. I wonder which one it is?

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You don't have a constitutional right to driving a car. Next question.

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Ahh yes, thanks for reminding me... I forgot about our constitutional rights to health care to reduce and eventually prevent those flu and cancer deaths.

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Flu deaths don't disappear, even in a fully socialized system. Sorry humanity is fragile.

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Exactly. Thank you for proving my point.

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You aren't going to extinguish murder either. Oops.

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Cancer - Genetics/environment causes? Medical advances/treatment. Significant investment being made into treatment and prevention.

Flu - I assume mostly environment, maybe some genetics around being predisposed to negative outcomes. Probably some medical treatment advances.

Automobile accidents - Fully environment. Significant advances in prevention from auto manufacturers/safety. Medical treatment improves outcome.

Gun - fully environment. Advances in medical treatment to reduce deaths.


How can one compare diseases (cancer, flu) to gun deaths?

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You can try and make it sound different, but the actual risk and it's calculation can easily compare all 4. And you should be more worried about the flu than guns when it comes to the death of children.

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Please provide the calculation and stats for death amongst vaccinated children from flu vs gun deaths for children. This should give you a start...

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/139/5/e20164244/38814/Influenza-Vaccine-Effectiveness-Against-Pediatric?redirectedFrom=fulltext

I forgot, please adjust for pre-existing conditions from flu vs. gun deaths.

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Ah so you can accept that risk can be calculated for both. You just want to take into account different factors. Why not for child gun deaths we take into account zip code? You can easily lower your child's risk, for example, by not living in Chicago.

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If the country was a single room and no one had a gun, the chance of a gun related incident would be zero. This isn't difficult logic. The less guns, the less of a chance of a gun related incident. The government should be proactive with the proposed voluntary buyback program and offer tax incentives to those who disarm. Those who fail to undertake MCE or who do not pass psychological testing on an annual basis should be forcefully disarmed.

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It is a 100 percent serious post. Children are getting gunned down in schools and the pro life crowd is busy trying to protect the gun owners and not the lives. It's sickening.

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Children are not getting gun downed in schools. These are extremely rare events.

I want to protect the lives while preserving rights. You don't have the answer, you just think you do.

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Children aren't getting gunned down in schools? Did you watch the news today?

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No, children aren't getting gunned down in schools to any serious degree.

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Since 1970, there have been 1,924 incidents involving the discharge of a firearm on school property and 637 people have died.

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51 years of data.
12.5 deaths per year.
https://www.campussafetymagazine.com/safety/k-12-school-shooting-statistics-everyone-should-know/

While tragic, 218 children aged 0-17 have died of the flu since January 1, 2020. 218 children in 2 years, 5 months. Not covid, influenza.

https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true

In 2020 alone 1,315 children ages 0-15 died in car accidents (423 aged 0-5).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS9iSdawxKZE4aJboNhwK34EAU51R9q50LB2UF7C6nWl7p2crGh-TH4KPmw6WLX5Orl9yUiYm17ztWk/pubhtml

1,153 children 14 and under died of cancer in 2020.

https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/update-on-cancer-deaths/index.htm

So while very dramatic, spectacular and scary (aided in no small amount by media hype), the reality is that many, many other things are much more threatening to children than school shootings.

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Cancer Deaths
Flu Deaths
Automobile accident deaths
Gun Deaths

One of these is not like the others. I wonder which one it is?

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You don't have a constitutional right to driving a car. Next question.

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Ahh yes, thanks for reminding me... I forgot about our constitutional rights to health care to reduce and eventually prevent those flu and cancer deaths.

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Flu deaths don't disappear, even in a fully socialized system. Sorry humanity is fragile.

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Exactly. Thank you for proving my point.

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You aren't going to extinguish murder either. Oops.

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Cancer - Genetics/environment causes? Medical advances/treatment. Significant investment being made into treatment and prevention.

Flu - I assume mostly environment, maybe some genetics around being predisposed to negative outcomes. Probably some medical treatment advances.

Automobile accidents - Fully environment. Significant advances in prevention from auto manufacturers/safety. Medical treatment improves outcome.

Gun - fully environment. Advances in medical treatment to reduce deaths.


How can one compare diseases (cancer, flu) to gun deaths?

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Its pretty easy actually.

The numbers I provided show that in the panoply of things to worry about regarding the safety of your child, death via school shooting is a very small risk. And you can play with the numbers all you want to but you're not going to be able to get the other examples of child causes of death down to 12.5 per year over 51 years.

School shootings are big scary events, all the more so because they are completely random and unpredictable, thus causing a sense of helplessness regarding the lack of control we have as a society.

But the reality is that they are very rare and constitute a miniscule risk to children.

No surprise it was not body armor. People mistake a plate carrier or tactical vest as "body armor" when it offers no protection whatsoever.

Insane asylum? Might as well start doing lobotomies again too.

This could wouldn't have been put in an insane asylum anyway....doesn't solve prevent this one...

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is it easier to get bomb precursors than a long gun and ammo?

I find that hard to believe in 2022

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How hard is it to buy a pressure cooker and ball bearings? This murderer went through a full FBI background check from a licensed FFL dealer.

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Do you have a source on that?

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Local law enforcement said he bought it from a dealer.

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Still want to know how he was able to plop down at least $3000 for just one gun + optics. Probably add another $500-$1000 for the second.

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He's 18. Probably a newly acquired easy to get credit card.

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I don't know about that. I want to know where he got the money. I find it strange that we are almost 24 hours out and we have no details on this kid. Maybe he sold drugs? He definitely looked the part. Maybe he had a job? He definitely had a social media history as all of these kids today do.

As someone relatively young(25), there's almost no way he was given a credit card with a balance that high. I remember my first credit card having a limit of $400 when I went to college.

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The real answer that no one wants to hear or implement is that we have to get these sick kids under control, institutionalized if need be. Every teacher and counselor that has had interaction with this kid will be unsurprised about what happened. We know the problem kids very early. We just push them through the system and hope they don't do anything at school before they get dumped on society.

I told my wife, a 2nd grade teacher, about Uvalde when she got home yesterday. She immediately said "that will be John (not his real name) in 10-15 years". John is 8. He's developmentally challenged, fetal alcohol maybe. His dad shot his mother dead in front of him when he was about 3 or 4 years old. Probably witnessed a lot of abuse leading up to that, might have been abused as well. Now lives with his grandmother (sound familiar?). John is a (un)holy terror at school. Tantrums, fights, non-compliance, bullying (he's already been held back so he's bigger than his classmate victims) etc. But TEA requires him to be in the classroom with normal kids. That needs to stop. Period. Kids like John need intensive psychiatric evaluation, care, and tracking. They aren't getting that. On top of that, the normal kids trying to study and learn are getting about 20-30% of the teachers' attention because the other 70-80% is consumed with trying to control psychotic little hellions in the classroom.

Every one of these young mass shooters has mental health issues. It would be more effective and less expensive to put mental health checkpoint for kids, identify problems early, intervene, monitor, and institutionalize in extreme cases. Armed teachers and gun control are politicized Band-Aids. They aren't addressing the core problem and obvious solutions.

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Amen. And just because some parent could not accept no, or thought their kid will snap out of his slow capabilities, and he should be in the ALG II class with everyone else so he can have esteem, we got problems. That kid may be slow, but not stupid. He knows he can't do the work, and his esteem actually tanks.
Got a question for SPED folks: if a self contained class for SPED is bad for kids self esteem, despite everyone being peers, and teacher can teach ALL at the same speed, then why is it not bad for self esteem to have to have a content mastery teacher at his side or leave class with the test to have it read to you ? Talk about singling a kid out!!
Also, there was unwritten rule not to classify kid as emotionally disturbed if you could help it- that federal classification made almost impossible to discipline a kid. And kid knew it too.

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SPED classes exist in Texas and other states. Simply because a kid has special needs does not make them a threat.

Also it is important to remember that in addition to all the various diagnosable psychological disorders that someone can have, there still exists the possibility that a kid is just a badly behaved kid. There doesn't necessarily have to be a diagnosable disorder.

One other thing to keep in mind is that generally even if a kid has a diagnosed condition and actually presents as a danger the law typically does not allow for the forcible removal of the kid. The school must find a way to prevent the kid from hurting themselves or others (typically some kind of monitored isolation or separation from other kids) without removing them from the school. The parents can opt for inpatient care for their child but they don't have to. The "right" of your neurotypical child to be "safe" in school from other kids doesn't exist.

The reality is that given the laws in place, a LOT more money needs to be directed at mental health issues in schools. If you want something you have to pay for it and while we all give lip service to the idea, its not backed up by our avtions.

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Agee that you don't lump all of the SPED together. The kid with dyslexia or the ESL kid is not the problem. But the bolded above is BS. Teachers and counselors know the difference between mischievous "boys being boys" maybe with some ADHD and those with psychotic tendencies. Young kids will grow out of bad behavior and ADHD can be treated very effectively. Those kids also moderate with discipline. "John" in my story has been to the office multiple times and has been paddled (yes, you can still do that in small rural schools). It makes little impact. He's back to the same behaviors the next day. He's a ticking time bomb. Everyone knows it.

We already have resource specialists in schools. It would cost very little to let them identify and track these problem kids. You would need to invest in the care and treatment aspect and the institutional expenses for the small minority that need it. I think it would all be less expensive than metal detectors and armed guards at every school and more effective. Armed guards and teachers in Uvalde might have limited the damage but it doesn't address the problem. Is it a solution if he killed 5 kids instead of 19?

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is it easier to get bomb precursors than a long gun and ammo?

I find that hard to believe in 2022

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How hard is it to buy a pressure cooker and ball bearings? This murderer went through a full FBI background check from a licensed FFL dealer.

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Do you have a source on that?

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Local law enforcement said he bought it from a dealer.

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Still want to know how he was able to plop down at least $3000 for just one gun + optics. Probably add another $500-$1000 for the second.

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He's 18. Probably a newly acquired easy to get credit card.

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I don't know about that. I want to know where he got the money. I find it strange that we are almost 24 hours out and we have no details on this kid. Maybe he sold drugs? He definitely looked the part. Maybe he had a job? He definitely had a social media history as all of these kids today do.

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Wendys? Guessing he could have saved up, used a debit card in lieu of a CC?

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As someone relatively young(25), there's almost no way he was given a credit card with a balance that high. I remember my first credit card having a limit of $400 when I went to college.

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https://www.moneyunder30.com/credit-card-credit-limits

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I'd say Experian and Equifax are in a position to know. Our shooter had a job he could list on his application showing he had regular income.

I assume this focus on the cost the guns (throughout the thread) is to show that this was some sort of false flag, and the government supplied the arms?

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I assume this focus on the cost the guns (throughout the thread) is to show that this was some sort of false flag, and the government supplied the arms?

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Not at all so quit assuming.

Asking how he was able to afford that gun an optics is a legitimate question. It's not like he went to a pawn shop and bought 20 year old rifle for $300.

Fair enough.
Experian and Equifax say that most first time card holders would have plenty of credit to make the purchases our shooter did.

I find that incredibly hard to believe. I specifically remember finding it incredibly hard to get ANY credit card because I had no credit history coming out of highschool, let alone a card/cards that would give an $8000 limit.

I mean think about it, would you loan $8000 to a 18-22 year old?

Shoot I have perfect credit now and my limit isn't even close to that.

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Rumor from a teacher friend from the area is this was a problem/weird kid from a broken home.

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When I heard he shot his grandmother (instead of mother or father) I figured it was a broken home situation. That is the epidemic plaguing the country.

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His instagram showed him in skirts and dresses and his hair done up. He was a trans. I posted a picture but it was taken down.

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call me a squish but there's no reason an 18 year old should be able to buy a semi auto long gun

make that the same as hand guns

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I saw plenty of 18, 19, and 20 year olds with me in Iraq carrying beltfed machine guns, frags, and anti armor weapons.

If they can do that, they should be able to buy guns, including pistols, and buy alcohol at 18.

Nobody shot each other either. Plenty of physical fights though. So it's not the guns. They didn't magically make them use them on each other.

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I somewhat disagree because angry edge-lord 18 year old with black fingernail paint doesn't go through the same supervising/vetting that comes from basic training and military command structure.

Unless you're military or police, I say the gun shops hold back on selling weapons to anyone under the age of 25. In terms of gifting guns to anyone below that threshold, I say allow it, but if the individual commits a rare atrocity like this, the giver should be subject to severe legal retribution. Basically make the giver put their own life on the line first, before anyone else's. I'm sure a lot of you would have no problems trusting your kids with that responsibility, and are already doing that.

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This is where I see a huge disconnect in the perception vs realty of how people actually live. I am only going to assume you have lived the majority of your life in larger cities. You seem completely ignorant of how a large portion of this country lives out in the sticks. Guns are tools that a ton of people grow up around and using in their proper manner. Maybe we should place some regulation on people that live in cities with a population of greater than 10,000.

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All I'm saying is to not let the gun shops sell to under 25 if not military/police, and if you gift someone a weapon under that age, that you have a little more skin in the game. No mention of taking anything from anyone. Assume all you want.

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Most armed teachers aren't carrying on campus. The firearm is in a safe in the classroom. There wouldn't have been time to get a weapon once he was inside.

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Idiotic. Needs to be on your hip. Otherwise it is worthless.

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I'm for my teachers being armed in the classroom if they're qualified but on the hip presents issues with some disturbed kid or kids taking it from them.

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hence the reason the students and parents shouldn't know who is carrying. That is also why it's hidden. Nobody should ever know they even have a weapon on them.

It was taken down because it was pretty quickly debunked that those pictures weren't him

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call me a squish but there's no reason an 18 year old should be able to buy a semi auto long gun

make that the same as hand guns

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I saw plenty of 18, 19, and 20 year olds with me in Iraq carrying beltfed machine guns, frags, and anti armor weapons.

If they can do that, they should be able to buy guns, including pistols, and buy alcohol at 18.

Nobody shot each other either. Plenty of physical fights though. So it's not the guns. They didn't magically make them use them on each other.

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I somewhat disagree because angry edge-lord 18 year old with black fingernail paint doesn't go through the same supervising/vetting that comes from basic training and military command structure.

Unless you're military or police, I say the gun shops hold back on selling weapons to anyone under the age of 25. In terms of gifting guns to anyone below that threshold, I say allow it, but if the individual commits a rare atrocity like this, the giver should be subject to severe legal retribution. Basically make the giver put their own life on the line first, before anyone else's. I'm sure a lot of you would have no problems trusting your kids with that responsibility, and are already doing that.

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This is where I see a huge disconnect in the perception vs realty of how people actually live. I am only going to assume you have lived the majority of your life in larger cities. You seem completely ignorant of how a large portion of this country lives out in the sticks. Guns are tools that a ton of people grow up around and using in their proper manner. Maybe we should place some regulation on people that live in cities with a population of greater than 10,000.

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All I'm saying is to not let the gun shops sell to under 25 if not military/police, and if you gift someone a weapon under that age, that you have a little more skin in the game. No mention of taking anything from anyone. Assume all you want.

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Indiscriminately restricting a civil liberty to a large portion of the populace when they've done nothing wrong is simply a non-starter for me.

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Rumor from a teacher friend from the area is this was a problem/weird kid from a broken home.

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When I heard he shot his grandmother (instead of mother or father) I figured it was a broken home situation. That is the epidemic plaguing the country.

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His instagram showed him in skirts and dresses and his hair done up. He was a trans. I posted a picture but it was taken down.

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Those pics were not of him.

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Rumor from a teacher friend from the area is this was a problem/weird kid from a broken home.

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When I heard he shot his grandmother (instead of mother or father) I figured it was a broken home situation. That is the epidemic plaguing the country.

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His instagram showed him in skirts and dresses and his hair done up. He was a trans. I posted a picture but it was taken down.

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You posted a picture from his actual Instagram account of a picture he posted? Doubtful, considering his account was deactivated VERY shortly after he was identified, and quite a long time before people started claiming those pictures were him (they werent- they were of someone else who has come forward and said they aren't him and don't know why people are using their picture).

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I find that incredibly hard to believe. I specifically remember finding it incredibly hard to get ANY credit card because I had no credit history coming out of highschool, let alone a card/cards that would give an $8000 limit.

Shoot I have perfect credit now and my limit isn't even close to that.

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From the Experian (credit reporting agency) link:

Average Total Credit Limits by Generation

Generation Z (18-22)
667 (Average FICO Score)
$8,062 (Average Total Credit Limit Per Consumer)

Millennials (23-38)
668 (Average FICO Score)
$20,647 (Average Total Credit Limit Per Consumer)

Generation X (39-54)
688 (Average FICO Score)
$33,357 (Average Total Credit Limit Per Consumer)

Baby Boomers (55-73)
731 (Average FICO Score)
$39,919 (Average Total Credit Limit Per Consumer)

Silent Generation (74+)
756 (Average FICO Score)
$32,338 (Average Total Credit Limit Per Consumer)

*Source: Experian data from Q2 2019

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Same story. Wife is from the Northeast. Moved to Texas and her first Christmas gift was a shotgun. I then bought her an F150 for her Birthday followed by an AR-15 the following Christmas. It has been over 20 years.....and her parents have come full circle. We went from the crazies to the smart/stable people compared to her siblings. Stay the course.

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I assume this focus on the cost the guns (throughout the thread) is to show that this was some sort of false flag, and the government supplied the arms?

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Not at all so quit assuming.

Asking how he was able to afford that gun an optics is a legitimate question. It's not like he went to a pawn shop and bought 20 year old rifle for $300.

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He's one of those spoiled brats that apparently lives with his grandparents and took advantage of them in every way possible. He probably said he wanted a gun, then threw a tantrum when they said "no", so rather than being good parents, they gave in and gave him the money. I don't know why this is such a relevant issue.

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We need to stop pretending that we don't already know who these kids are. We do know. Somewhere out there a teacher, coach, neighbor, whatever have already said to themselves 'this kid is going to do something next' and they will be right. The next school shooter has already been identified by probably everyone around him but we will do nothing about it.

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As someone relatively young(25), there's almost no way he was given a credit card with a balance that high. I remember my first credit card having a limit of $400 when I went to college.

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https://www.moneyunder30.com/credit-card-credit-limits

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As a ballpark range, 18 to 22-year-old cardholders have an average $8,062 credit limit across all cards, according to Experian.
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Younger cardholders are less likely to have an established credit history, so card issuers tend to start them out with lower limits. Equifax estimates an average $5,000-$6,000 credit limit for cardholders opening their first accounts.
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I'd say Experian and Equifax are in a position to know. Our shooter had a job he could list on his application showing he had regular income.

I assume this focus on the cost the guns (throughout the thread) is to show that this was some sort of false flag, and the government supplied the arms?

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No, he could of been a drug dealer. Maybe he stole it from his grandmother. Maybe he had a cartel connection with family members. Who knows.

I do not believe it was a false flag. I believe the kid snapped, but I want to know more about this kid. There is practically nothing out on this kid and there is a reason for that. I do not trust the feds, and they are all up in this investigation. However, our local law enforcement are the good guys. The border patrol agent who shot the kid is a saint.