Nope. Not remotely true. Probably best not to listen to someone on this topic when they don't even know what "transition" means.

Don't be so eager to swallow up laughable sources hook, line, and sinker simply because they may tickle your ears. Heck, Sapper posted links to actual studies that point to possible biological components to being transgender. If there's anything insidious/evil is the repeated pushing of myths like ROGD & autogynephilia which is used to harm trans people, especially trans kids.

Speaking of people who are actively wanting to harm trans kids. You're evil. Repent.

Nah, trans kids aren't going to stop being trans. All you're going to do is harm them (which we all know is your goal), but people who care for them will continue to encourage and support them. Doctors will continue to support them according to internationally accepted treatment plans. It may result in families moving away from unqualified legislators making medical decisions, but the kids will find support even as bigots like you seek to harm them and sexualize them.

In the end, the science is on our side. It's why your side has to embrace easily debunked junk studies and myths.

Anyone naive to think these activists are not extremely interested in your children: Spreckels USD this week. Read about it. Watch the pushback.

You see their openness here. Let's be grateful for that.

But now you know - be aware and TELL THE TRUTH.

Okay. Flight about to take off, and it's a good stopping point. There's no point to continue with your bigotry and fixation on the genitals of children as you sexualize them.

Are you taking about the bad parents whose children don't trust them enough to be open with them? If so, thank goodness the school gives them a place of safety that their parents refuse to provide.

Bad parents...just sad.

You really want to have that discussion?

Are you even familiar with these details?

I'm assuming it's the Dan Bongino emotional unsafe parent videos. Regardless, emotional parents don't trump science.

Again, stop sexualizing children. It's sick. I know you hate to hear this, but you shouldn't look at children and only see potential breeders. That's a serious red flag. Just because you don't like the possible side effect of a medical treatment doesn't mean you, or politicians, get to make that decision for the patient.

Okay, now airplane mode. Repent.

In addition, you may also be interested in the work of a major researcher in this field - J. Michael Bailey. Again, a leftist who does NOT have my worldview.

Plenty of researchers have cited his work on Autogynephilia as having significant explanatory power.

Just based on the view count on this thread, and general response from the 'pro trans' side (not sure how else to categorize it, I am sure no matter how I phrase it someone and a merry band of followers will take offense), it is obvious how important this conquest is for their cause; namely, the imposition of these values/normalization/ability to transition kids at least down to 5 years old, and to coach them to do so when possible without the knowledge/consent of their parents.

They have epistemic closure over the matter, and cannot accept debate/dissenting opinions on it (this is also the case politically with much of the left on other matters.). I find it sad, and something more on the 'right' should fight back on, as the RCC Bishop in the OP expressed, but most who agree with 'my' side do not spend day/night worrying about it.

I don't think there are any transvestites on this thread.

Nobody is coaching kids to be trans. You can't "turn kids trans". No matter how much you say it, it still won't be true. We're taking about supporting them, and letting any medical intervention be the decision of doctor, patient, and guardian. Strangers obsessing over viewing children in terms of their ability to breed shouldn't have any say in medical treatment of these kids.

Heck, medical intervention isn't something that even happens until there's been therapy and a several year process. And then you're only seeing hormone treatment around 12 yr old, if the kids are lucky.

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Yes, and you know what the internationally accepted "help" looks like? The one supported by every major medical association?

I guess this will be where you'll claim that every major medical association is just corrupted by politics and you know better than all of them despite not having even an elementary understanding of the topic.

Autogynephilia
[A well researched phenomenon with significant explanatory power derided by ideologists. Which, thankfully, didn't work. Bailey the leftist remains prominent.]

Social contagion among young girls terrified of puberty
[Same]

Also -
Infant exposure
Abortion
Eugenics
Medically assisted suicide
Mutilation of children

Trust that Science, bigot

Predator doesn't understand what science is.

Correct. Predator absolutely has demonstrated no sense whatsoever of the great evils done in the name of "Science!"

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Nope. Not remotely true. Probably best not to listen to someone on this topic when they don't even know what "transition" means.

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I believe in another thread you and I discussed what it means (may have been this thread). That it was a combination of hormone therapy, your legal name/sex change, your surgery, and recognition from family and friends that you are a woman.

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Nope. Not remotely true. Probably best not to listen to someone on this topic when they don't even know what "transition" means.

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I believe in another thread you and I discussed what it means (may have been this thread). That it was a combination of hormone therapy, your legal name/sex change, your surgery, and recognition from family and friends that you are a woman.

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Actually, transition will look different for everyone. It's really going to depend on the severity of the dysphoria. This was one area where Mark Yarhouse's book was helpful for me. Some people can't medically transition. I would not say that family/friend recognition has anything to do with it. My family could have rejected me wholesale, including my wife and kids. It wouldn't have negated my transition.

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Every poster on this thread has appealed to an authority outside of the self (and, by the way, the self is not sovereign, no matter the endurance of Gnostic-flavored argument) …

So, what god do those who advocate for the sterilization of children and adolescents as a "treatment" appeal to?

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I don't advocate for the sterilization of children. I advocate for children to receive the treatment they need. Sometimes that could involve the side effect of sterilization. Regardless of how dishonest you want to be in how you paint it, the intent is not to "sterilize" children. The intent is to get them the help they need. Like with any medical treatment, there are often side effects. Whether or not a patient wants to deal with the side effects is not up to you or some moronic politician like Lauren Boebert. It's up to the patient, guardian (if a minor), and the doctor. As I told you before, it's frankly none of your business. You have no moral or legal right to interfere with the private medical decisions of others.

So, yes, for medical issues, I will appeal to those whom God has blessed with the intelligence to be doctors. They are trained professionals. I won't appeal to predators like you, who sexualize children. One appealing to trained medical professionals has no impact on their faith. I am a devout follower of Christ. I am His beautifully and wonderfully made daughter. That is not impacted by my transition. In fact, it's been helpful in my interactions with others in the church, or who are teetering on leaving the church, because they see me and begin to see that being an out and open trans woman doesn't require one to abandon their faith. They see someone whose faith has actually deepened.

I appeal to God. I appeal to medical professionals for medical issues. I appeal to auto mechanics when my car breaks down. I appeal to roofers if my roof needs to be replaced. I don't appeal to predators who only view children as breeders. Those people, I wouldn't trust to leave my children alone with.

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Nope. Not remotely true. Probably best not to listen to someone on this topic when they don't even know what "transition" means.

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I believe in another thread you and I discussed what it means (may have been this thread). That it was a combination of hormone therapy, your legal name/sex change, your surgery, and recognition from family and friends that you are a woman.

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Actually, transition will look different for everyone. It's really going to depend on the severity of the dysphoria. This was one area where Mark Yarhouse's book was helpful for me. Some people can't medically transition. I would not say that family/friend recognition has anything to do with it. My family could have rejected me wholesale, including my wife and kids. It wouldn't have negated my transition.

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I would think the social component of it would be important. Otherwise you could be a narcissist.

Do you view the hormone therapy as medically transitioning into a woman?

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Nope. Not remotely true. Probably best not to listen to someone on this topic when they don't even know what "transition" means.

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I believe in another thread you and I discussed what it means (may have been this thread). That it was a combination of hormone therapy, your legal name/sex change, your surgery, and recognition from family and friends that you are a woman.

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Actually, transition will look different for everyone. It's really going to depend on the severity of the dysphoria. This was one area where Mark Yarhouse's book was helpful for me. Some people can't medically transition. I would not say that family/friend recognition has anything to do with it. My family could have rejected me wholesale, including my wife and kids. It wouldn't have negated my transition.

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I would think the social component of it would be important. Otherwise you could be a narcissist.

Do you view the hormone therapy as medically transitioning into a woman?

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I would say hormone therapy is one component of medical transition.

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Nope. Not remotely true. Probably best not to listen to someone on this topic when they don't even know what "transition" means.

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I believe in another thread you and I discussed what it means (may have been this thread). That it was a combination of hormone therapy, your legal name/sex change, your surgery, and recognition from family and friends that you are a woman.

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Actually, transition will look different for everyone. It's really going to depend on the severity of the dysphoria. This was one area where Mark Yarhouse's book was helpful for me. Some people can't medically transition. I would not say that family/friend recognition has anything to do with it. My family could have rejected me wholesale, including my wife and kids. It wouldn't have negated my transition.

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I would think the social component of it would be important. Otherwise you could be a narcissist.

Do you view the hormone therapy as medically transitioning into a woman?

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I would say hormone therapy is one component of medical transition.

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What are other components?

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Nope. Not remotely true. Probably best not to listen to someone on this topic when they don't even know what "transition" means.

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I believe in another thread you and I discussed what it means (may have been this thread). That it was a combination of hormone therapy, your legal name/sex change, your surgery, and recognition from family and friends that you are a woman.

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Actually, transition will look different for everyone. It's really going to depend on the severity of the dysphoria. This was one area where Mark Yarhouse's book was helpful for me. Some people can't medically transition. I would not say that family/friend recognition has anything to do with it. My family could have rejected me wholesale, including my wife and kids. It wouldn't have negated my transition.

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I would think the social component of it would be important. Otherwise you could be a narcissist.

Do you view the hormone therapy as medically transitioning into a woman?

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I would say hormone therapy is one component of medical transition.

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Some examples are things like surgical intervention...gender confirmation surgery, "top" surgery, etc. Most trans people don't undergo surgical intervention, primarily due to costs since trans people suffer from a lot of employment discrimination, which results in lack of medical insurance (most plans will now cover GCS). Other surgeries are unfortunately typically considered cosmetic, although BCBS doesn't consider procedures like facial feminization, and other such surgeries cosmetic, so they've started covering though. They see them less cosmetic and more corrective.