I joked with a buddy that Nebraska really is on hard times, recruiting quarterbacks from the six man ranks.

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He doesn't let her off "because she's a scared mom." He let's her off because what chance does Noah have if his mom is in prison?

He's giving her the chance to make sure that Hal's death wasn't in vain. She killed him to protect her son, and now Jon is going to make sure she does exactly that which in turn might protect others from her son.

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Exactly

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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dummble said:

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Loved the show but...

John saying "ax" in the most unnatural way possible

10am - school assembly followed by lab room talk.
Storage unit, desert walk, lake paddle, sinestro water boarding, lake paddle, desert walk
Still time to make 7pm kickoff?

Ok, when did Hal have time to rent another house and booby trap it before telling Kerry? Because it seemed like he told her immediately after he found out.

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1st point: yeah, that's annoying

2nd point: All the off world stuff could be explained by time dilation. That could have been 5 Earth minutes.

3rd point: He knew at least a few days. He was healed, then followed him to the other world, found out about Sinestro and his plans, and then talked to Jon before getting killed by Kerry.

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The "ax" stuff was just embarrassing by them. Stupid, plain stupid and somewhat racist if we're being honest.

And the other points require us to just handwaive aways pesky little details and ignore them....in other words amatuer writing.

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I disagree.

I think it's stupid that they should have to account for every second of the day. The fact that people are looking up the number of miles between cities, discussing how long a day is on an alien planet, and how long it takes to find a new place to live in a city with less than 1000 people is just stupid. Especially if all of them can be explained with basic common sense. I don't need the entire thing spoon fed to me.

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But see, now you're creating a straw man argument that I want them to explain every second of every day. That's not what I said nor am I expecting that. But even people on this thread who are fans of this show have admitted that some form of hand waving is required to watch this show. Its ok to like a show and still admit it has flaws. Hell, I love Lost, the original OG of all these mystery box shows, lol. And I'll be the first to admit that it has a ton of plot and logic flaws.

As I think more about the situation in Nebraska, you can almost see Lanterns as an inversion of Superman's story, especially the "Man of Steel" movie interpretation.

Alien hiding in plain sight in small rural town in the Midwest
Powers / tech beyond human comprehension
Proclaimed guilty by survivors of another world who wind up on Earth seeking justice.

It fits better with the Clark/Noah parallel. Zod and his minions come to Earth wanting to punish Superman for Jor-El's heresy while Kal-El has done nothing wrong. We assume Antaan / the Guardians would kill Noah for being a Manhunter despite him doing nothing wrong.

Not perfect, but I bet it's at least some of their inspiration.

I think overall I liked the show. 7.5-8 out of 10.

But I do think they wasted the chemistry between Aaron and Kyle. They also got a great actor to play the lawful evil Sinestro and felt like they wasted him.

I feel like Sinestro needs to be a big part of Season 2.

I am not sure how I feel about the Manhunter skating by so far, but I don't outright hate it.

I just feel this cast had a 9.5 show in them, but the writing and plot let them down a little bit.

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Can you show your work on the villain thing? I'm not sure I'm following that line of logic.

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I literally already did this in one of my previous posts.

He stole Hal's ring by coercing the current Green Lantern. He stole a Lantern created by Sinestro. He allowed an admitted murderer to walk free. He threatened the current Green Lantern. He is embracing fear as a core part to his new oath, which is literally what the Yellow lanterns did, under Sinestro.

Nothing about what he is doing says "Hero" to me. It says authoritarian. It says anti-hero. I see it as saying villain.

Well that's putting a bit of a slant on it

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She pulled out her guy and shot Hal Jordan in the head because she felt flustered.

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She killed him because she was protecting her son. Many, many, many parents would do the same thing and not lose much sleep over it.

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Lathspell said:

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She pulled out her guy and shot Hal Jordan in the head because she felt flustered.

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She killed him because she was protecting her son. Many, many, many parents would do the same thing and not lose much sleep over it.

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And they'd deserve to go to jail for that act, just like she did.

No matter how selfishly noble her act may have been, she murdered the ****ing Green Lantern. An actual hero who's been protecting the Earth for over 30 years. And remember, she wasn't protecting her son from a deadly threat or even from jailtime. Hal wasn't actually planning on turning her son in or killing him. He was suggesting to her that they run and hide Noah on another planet. Buf no, this chick was so insistent that her son get to stay on Earth and play football that she shot Hal Jordan in the head!

OK, well like i said earlier, not going to change your opinion.. I loved the show from start to finish and can't wait for the next incarnation of it.

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I'm not, nor have I ever, argued from the PoV of the guardians. I've already said I know nothing about them.

My remarks are strictly from this point of view that Jon is focused on Earth and humans. We have laws and societies on Earth. If he was truly as altruistic as some are pointing out, he would leave that up to the humans.

Again, if the purpose of the show is to give us a villain, then they succeeded. If they are trying to give us a hero to cheer for, I believe they failed.

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Failed for you. John is not remotely a villain. By that logic the good guys in the Superman movie , including Superman are villains for interfering in in societies in that conflict and should have left it to the UN

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If Superman were to let a murderer walk completely free, then I would agree he is not a good guy.

I get it's just a TV show and yall are happy to play make believe, but that was legit murder. She murdered a man in cold blood. This wasn't collateral damage in the course of defending the Earth from an intergalactic threat. She pulled out her guy and shot Hal Jordan in the head because she felt flustered.

Should we not send murderers to prison because it might mean their kids grow up without parents and may also one day murder because of it? What is this crazy worldview you people are spouting?

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Cough Hawkgirl cough

No world Clark doesn't know what she did. There are 1000's of different ways she could have handled that and if it was carried out today on Netanyahu I would consider it in a similar light

That moment had more discourse on the fact she cold blooded killed him than Kerry killing Hal

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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CharleyKerfeld said:

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Lathspell said:

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She pulled out her guy and shot Hal Jordan in the head because she felt flustered.

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She killed him because she was protecting her son. Many, many, many parents would do the same thing and not lose much sleep over it.

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And they'd deserve to go to jail for that act, just like she did.

No matter how selfishly noble her act may have been, she murdered the ****ing Green Lantern. An actual hero who's been protecting the Earth for over 30 years. And remember, she wasn't protecting her son from a deadly threat or even from jailtime. Hal wasn't actually planning on turning her son in or killing him. He was suggesting to her that they run and hide Noah on another planet. Buf no, this chick was so insistent that her son get to stay on Earth and play football that she shot Hal Jordan in the head!

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Former* Green Lantern. He was kicked out and such a big hero that no one showed up to his funeral.

And Jon let her go because that's what he figured Hal would have wanted. Which I think he was right in thinking.

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Ahhh, gotcha. It's ok to murder someone who got fired from their job.

Wow, just wow.

And I heard his statement to her that Hal probably wouldn't have wanted her to get arrested. But the fact that John ignores laws and decides on his own who gets punished for murder and who doesn't is why he's not a hero much less deserving of being a superhero.

The heroes in the James Gunn DC just plain suck. They're all emotionally crippled losers.

But I'll shut up now. If you guys made sense of the logic in this show and enjoyed it, more power to you. I'll stop being a party pooper.

So, John is going to protect Earth? Meh, I was hoping for some intergalactic stuff in Season 2. Maybe they will get more budget in S2 and we can see more constructs.

In brightest day, in darkest night
I'll embrace my fear, I'll do what's right
I choose this ring, I choose this fight
In service of this lantern's light

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The heroes in the James Gunn DC just plain suck. They're all emotionally crippled losers.

But I'll shut up now. If you guys made sense of the logic in this show and enjoyed it, more power to you. I'll stop being a party pooper.

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Same.

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So, John is going to protect Earth? Meh, I was hoping for some intergalactic stuff in Season 2. Maybe they will get more budget in S2 and we can see more constructs.

In brightest day, in darkest night
I'll embrace my fear, I'll do what's right
I choose this ring, I choose this fight
In service of this lantern's light

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From my understanding they had an eighty to ninety million dollar budget for this season. If true, that's ~ ten million dollars per episode. Where'd they spend all that money? Certainly not on construct special effects.

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I've never read the comics, but I did watch some of the 70s/80s cartoons, so…

Sinestro forges a lantern with yellow cracks on a fear-infested planet, and it's not a lantern to power a yellow ring of fear?

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EDIT: Sorry, I thought you were a different Cliff. That ones is still languishing in a well in the bottom of Backyard Gator's house while BG finishes the skin suit.

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So there's a "Cliff Booth" and a "Cliff.Booth" on this board? It looks like Cliff.Booth hasn't posted since mid-July in the Odyssey thread.

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Cliff Booth said:

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I've never read the comics, but I did watch some of the 70s/80s cartoons, so…

Sinestro forges a lantern with yellow cracks on a fear-infested planet, and it's not a lantern to power a yellow ring of fear?

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EDIT: Sorry, I thought you were a different Cliff. That ones is still languishing in a well in the bottom of Backyard Gator's house while BG finishes the skin suit.

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So there's a "Cliff Booth" and a "Cliff.Booth" on this board? It looks like Cliff.Booth has posted since mid-July in the Odyssey thread.

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Well, not to tell tales out of school, but Cliff.Booth was TCTTS' foil on the Odyssey thread for about 200 straight pages. Then he vanished for a few days, then he came back with an odd apology and started being swell, then he vanished again, and hasn't been seen since, but a guy named Backyard Gator suddenly appeared on that thread and had pretty much almost all of Cliff's same takes and even mentioned Cliff multiple times as in "I don't know this Cliff guy, but he's not wrong." He bristled big time when ever someone called him Cliff, or my favorite moniker "Backyard Cliff". Once the Odyssey came out and was well received and did not have a scene where Elliot Page and Lupita N'yongo have sex with a centaur, the debate fizzled out, but the Cliff with a period in his name never returned.

You can imagine my excitement, albeit misinformed, when I thought the season finale of Lanterns had freed him from his slumber like Pennywise waking up every 27 years underneath Derry.

While I had some issues with parts of the season that were heavy-handed, overall I really enjoyed the show. The dynamic between Aaron Pierre and Kyle Chandler was great, sad if there's no way for that to continue in season 2 if we get one. I thought that Kelly Macdonald was terrific as well. I'm not a comic reader but I liked the guy playing Sinestro too. I wasn't anticipating this show as a murder mystery, which was a nice surprise rather than your standard origin story. I like the idea of Stewart being a Lantern, but not part of the Lantern Corps. I wouldn't say he's an anti-hero necessarily, but he definitely is a guy who believes the ends can justify the means given some of his behavior. I'm not sure that I'm completely on board with him letting Kerry off the hook as quickly as he did, but it makes sense in that him letting her remain free is part of keeping Noah on the right path.

Overall I'd give it a 7/10.

It was entertaining but with a lot of flaws. I'd give it somewhere in the 6 to 7 range

While I give it a 6-7, as an alternative to a number, I tend to think of shows in categories:

1) It sucked so bad I bailed
2) It sucked but I stuck it out
3) I was entertained but it was flawed enough that I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to others
4) I was entertained and would recommend it to others
5) I was highly entertained and would strongly recommend it to others

I'd probably put this as a 3. Probably a strong 3 but still a 3

This is a great rating system. I'm at a 4 unless I know the friend is really into the green lantern comics and doesn't like it when shows/movies stray from the source material

Yes, I could go for a weak 4. It's definitely in that 3-4 borderline zone for me

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Cliff Booth said:

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I've never read the comics, but I did watch some of the 70s/80s cartoons, so…

Sinestro forges a lantern with yellow cracks on a fear-infested planet, and it's not a lantern to power a yellow ring of fear?

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EDIT: Sorry, I thought you were a different Cliff. That ones is still languishing in a well in the bottom of Backyard Gator's house while BG finishes the skin suit.

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So there's a "Cliff Booth" and a "Cliff.Booth" on this board? It looks like Cliff.Booth has posted since mid-July in the Odyssey thread.

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Well, not to tell tales out of school, but Cliff.Booth was TCTTS' foil on the Odyssey thread for about 200 straight pages. Then he vanished for a few days, then he came back with an odd apology and started being swell, then he vanished again, and hasn't been seen since, but a guy named Backyard Gator suddenly appeared on that thread and had pretty much almost all of Cliff's same takes and even mentioned Cliff multiple times as in "I don't know this Cliff guy, but he's not wrong." He bristled big time when ever someone called him Cliff, or my favorite moniker "Backyard Cliff". Once the Odyssey came out and was well received and did not have a scene where Elliot Page and Lupita N'yongo have sex with a centaur, the debate fizzled out, but the Cliff with a period in his name never returned.

You can imagine my excitement, albeit misinformed, when I thought the season finale of Lanterns had freed him from his slumber like Pennywise waking up every 27 years underneath Derry.

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Yeah, I too thought the Cliff on this thread was the good ol' Cliff from our Odyssey adventure. So, I was surprised to see him posting again. But what you pointed out about Backyard Gator is interesting, I hadn't made that connection.

And just FYI, if The Odyssey had included a scene where Elliot Page and Lupita N'yongo have sex with a centaur (in IMAX no less) that easily pushes it over 2 billion by the end of July, just from the pure "watching a car wreck" aspect of it.

I'm not sure that my personal rating of Lanterns can be objective, just because I feel too influenced by the comics and what I wanted from the show before it started.

I can't give it anything higher than a 3 on Enrico's scale, but more than likely I'd settle on a 2. Too much crapping on Hal, and too much f'd up (IMO) logic and morality from the guy that's supposed to be our hero.

I like this. I would be at a 4

It's kind of a dick move when this guy sees, when choosing a screen name, that there's already a "Cliff Booth", and he then goes with "Cliff.Booth".

My feelings as well.

Completely deconstructing the Green Lantern mythos before ever really properly portraying it is just Hollywood being Hollywood. If we had 3-4 Green Lantern movies or shows before taking the character in this direction, it would be a little more forgivable, but I just don't like the direction this show took these characters. I also think the writing is very flawed.

The only thing I would say this show did great was casting Hal, Jon, and Kerry.

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While I give it a 6-7, as an alternative to a number, I tend to think of shows in categories:

1) It sucked so bad I bailed
2) It sucked but I stuck it out
3) I was entertained but it was flawed enough that I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to others
4) I was entertained and would recommend it to others
5) I was highly entertained and would strongly recommend it to others

I'd probably put this as a 3. Probably a strong 3 but still a 3

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I am in the 2-3 range. Some stuff was entertaining, other stuff made be groan out loud.

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It's kind of a dick move when this guy sees, when choosing a screen name, that there's already a "Cliff Booth", and he then goes with "Cliff.Booth".

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well he was pretty much a dick on multiple threads over several years so at least he was staying in character

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The casting was great (other than granny, who was far from being a seductress. Horribly miscast).

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Yes, if not for the casting, I'm probably at a 2. The casting helped it a lot

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The casting was great (other than granny, who was far from being a seductress. Horribly miscast).

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Yes, if not for the casting, I'm probably at a 2. The casting helped it a lot

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Agreed. I am at the 3.5. Having slept on the finale, I think the one thing I am still a little befuddled is that Hal didn't really seem to have a plan.

I think a strong season 2 leaning into what the show got right pulls season 1 to a 4. If Season 2 leans into the questionable decisions it could drop down to a 2.

Season 2 will be the final word on Season 1. Season 2, I think needs Hal back in some form.