mm98 said:
Yeah no biggie. I was just thinking that the interview with Hal on TV was in the 1996 flashback and at that time he had already been known. So John Sr being passed over was earlier in the 1990s...my best guess.
Sounds about right.
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Sounds about right.
They need to go completely the other direction in the next episode.
John: "So why did you pick Hal Jordan?"
Guardian: "Because he's White."
John: "So why did you pick Hal Jordan?"
Guardian: "Because he's White."
mm98 said:
Yeah no biggie. I was just thinking that the interview with Hal on TV was in the 1996 flashback and at that time he had already been known. So John Sr being passed over was earlier in the 1990s...my best guess.
My assumption was that the incident with John Sr was 1986, since John Jr is around 10 in the 1996 flashback and he was an infant when the Guardians initially reached out to his dad.
But that would beg the question of why the Guardians were already looking for someone so soon after Hal had received the ring or if the ring was looking for someone else when Hal found Abin Sur.
I brought this up last page. I'm confused on the sequence of events there.
I thought the implication was that the same night it tried to choose John Senior was the night that it chose Hal to succeed Abin Sur.
When Hal does the interview at the very beginning of the first episode, it says he has been GL for some time, but has only now come out and spoken.
So
1986 - Abin Sur crashes out in Nebraska, power ring tries to chose John Sr., Tom Osborne, maybe Broderick Thomas or Mike Rozier, but they all fail the test, so it picks Hal Jordan. A few months after, when GL has been on the news, the Guardian approaches John's mom with the diamond and suggests John could be a Lantern.
1996 - the first scene of the show - wonder where the Mom was that night? Dad shoots the apple off John's head. GL is doing his first interview and reveals his real name, so he's been GL for 10 years.
2016 - Jon interviews with the Guardians, starts training with Hal, and the stuff goes down in Nebraska. I would assume in the months/year before this, Sinestro goes rogue and Hal hauls him in, but only after making a bad choice - maybe helping him do something that resulted in the death of the Guardian, etc. Those choices with Sinestro are what lead to the Guardians activating John.
2026 - Jon finds what appears to be frozen Hal in the football stadium.
When Hal does the interview at the very beginning of the first episode, it says he has been GL for some time, but has only now come out and spoken.
So
1986 - Abin Sur crashes out in Nebraska, power ring tries to chose John Sr., Tom Osborne, maybe Broderick Thomas or Mike Rozier, but they all fail the test, so it picks Hal Jordan. A few months after, when GL has been on the news, the Guardian approaches John's mom with the diamond and suggests John could be a Lantern.
1996 - the first scene of the show - wonder where the Mom was that night? Dad shoots the apple off John's head. GL is doing his first interview and reveals his real name, so he's been GL for 10 years.
2016 - Jon interviews with the Guardians, starts training with Hal, and the stuff goes down in Nebraska. I would assume in the months/year before this, Sinestro goes rogue and Hal hauls him in, but only after making a bad choice - maybe helping him do something that resulted in the death of the Guardian, etc. Those choices with Sinestro are what lead to the Guardians activating John.
2026 - Jon finds what appears to be frozen Hal in the football stadium.
I guess I understand that some see a political motive in these shows. Hollywood has certainly given us no reason to trust them. However, we can be bigger and not prejudge the show just because there's some race motivated scenes in it. Shoot, I can go all the way back to Fresh Prince to see that. They can be character plots.
But, and I'm taking this from wikipedia, John's entire story seems centered around him being black and the reason he was created for DC. So they do have to address it as part of his backstory.
Were they a little blunt or over the top with it for a scene or 2. Sure, but I don't see a politically driven show so far.
But, and I'm taking this from wikipedia, John's entire story seems centered around him being black and the reason he was created for DC. So they do have to address it as part of his backstory.
Were they a little blunt or over the top with it for a scene or 2. Sure, but I don't see a politically driven show so far.
AgLiving06 said:
I guess I understand that some see a political motive in these shows. Hollywood has certainly given us no reason to trust them. However, we can be bigger and not prejudge the show just because there's some race motivated scenes in it. Shoot, I can go all the way back to Fresh Prince to see that. They can be character plots.
First time here?
I also think this is what happened, but could have used some narrative explaining that time had passed or something. It was oddly sequenced. Also did Hal come back from (wherever) and hold a press conference explaining everything he learned?
zgolfz85 said:
oh yay, another politically charged show. only had to read a few comments to ensure I'll keep Lanterns on my skip list. Can we just go back to not injecting polarizing politics into every ****ing facet of entertainment? FFS
You'll be ok lil buddy
I need to use the search function to go to every thread for a TV show I've never watched to declare to the people there that I'm not watching it. Feel like they deserve to know.
What's more pathetic is people responding to posts from someone saying they aren't going to watch a show or movie for whatever reason. It's a post on a message board. It has zero affect on you. Simply ignore it and move on.
Yall do realize you don't have to respond to every single post on the internet, right?
Yall do realize you don't have to respond to every single post on the internet, right?
Lathspell said:
Yall do realize you don't have to respond to every single post on the internet, right?
You are not the boss of me. <harumph>
Lathspell said:
What's more pathetic is people responding to posts from someone saying they aren't going to watch a show or movie for whatever reason. It's a post on a message board. It has zero affect on you. Simply ignore it and move on.
Yall do realize you don't have to respond to every single post on the internet, right?
We can all just ignore posts.
Lathspell said:
What's more pathetic is people responding to posts from someone saying they aren't going to watch a show or movie for whatever reason. It's a post on a message board. It has zero affect on you. Simply ignore it and move on.
Yall do realize you don't have to respond to every single post on the internet, right?
Aren't you doing the exact same thing by commenting on the people who are commenting on the original commenter?
Of course, now I'm commenting on your comment on the people who are commenting on the original commenter, and if you respond in anyway, then you are perpetuating the problem by commenting on my comment on your comment on the people commenting on the original commenter.
Nope; I don't care. I welcome conversations back and forth with people I agree with or disagree with. If I don't want to engage, then I don't. I'm not one of the posters who tells people they shouldn't be posting their opinions. I'm just calling out the hypocrisy of people like you who act like you don't like those kinds of posts yet still jump at the chance to engage with them.
But thanks for playing!
But thanks for playing!
Lathspell said:
Nope; I don't care. I welcome conversations back and forth with people I agree with or disagree with. If I don't want to engage, then I don't. I'm not one of the posters who tells people they shouldn't be posting their opinions. I'm just calling out the hypocrisy of people like you who act like you don't like those kinds of posts yet still jump at the chance to engage with them.
But thanks for playing!
Good to know
Random interesting fact: John's mother in Lanterns was Peggy Schuyler in the original and Broadway cast of Hamilton, also played Maria Reynolds.
Just realized Sinestro is played by the same actor as Kai Proctor from Banshee (Ulrich Thomsen).
Finally got around to watching episode 3. While there were some good parts, overall that was a bad episode. I don't know the lore behind the character but John's backstory is just dumb. I could get it if the dad's rejection drove him crazy to put his son through all this training. The mom character was just bad. If you want to use a character to voice the challenges of a race of people, fine whatever, but when that same character robs her child of agency and puts him in dangerous situations, it really doesn't land the same. Also I feel like the backstory robbed John of a hero's journey of developing his own mastery of fear rather than just his parents shot apples off his head and made him walk home from the hood at night so he's not afraid of anything. It makes John look like this plastic android of a character.
I felt this episode set the show back and it wasn't needed or could have been done a lot better.
I felt this episode set the show back and it wasn't needed or could have been done a lot better.
Vince Blake said:
Finally got around to watching episode 3. While there were some good parts, overall that was a bad episode. I don't know the lore behind the character but John's backstory is just dumb. I could get it if the dad's rejection drove him crazy to put his son through all this training. The mom character was just bad. If you want to use a character to voice the challenges of a race of people, fine whatever, but when that same character robs her child of agency and puts him in dangerous situations, it really doesn't land the same. Also I feel like the backstory robbed John of a hero's journey of developing his own mastery of fear rather than just his parents shot apples off his head and made him walk home from the hood at night so he's not afraid of anything. It makes John look like this plastic android of a character.
I felt this episode set the show back and it wasn't needed or could have been done a lot better.
I think his Hero's journey is not about fear but learning to be his own man and take action when it is against orders. We will see how the season goes but I think retrospectively this episode will make a lot more sense as we go
Saxsoon said:
I think his Hero's journey is not about fear but learning to be his own man and take action when it is against orders. We will see how the season goes but I think retrospectively this episode will make a lot more sense as we go
Agreed, and I think Hal can show him how to do this.
Maybe all of the things you think set this show back were exactly the stage they were trying to set for the character's arc in this show. It was very heavy handed but it quickly covered the ground of why he is the way he is now.
One other thing about the episode that struck me, did anyone else find it ironic that after all the talk about race and privilege that John's parents dropped him off alone at night in the black part of town and not the white part when they told him to walk home? Shouldn't it have been the other way around if they were trying to reinforce the narrative while also teaching him to become fearless since he and Hal are from different backgrounds, or was that too much?
The worst part about the show runners turning this show into a racial issue is there's easily a good story here about how far parents can go help their child attain a dream that they failed to achieve. Would it make them good or bad parents to put most of their efforts into one child while willfully neglecting the siblings? Do the ends justify the means? We know where John is headed, where are his brothers at in life right now? What's their relationship like with their parents and John after all this? That story is so much more compelling and complex than what they decided to do.
The worst part about the show runners turning this show into a racial issue is there's easily a good story here about how far parents can go help their child attain a dream that they failed to achieve. Would it make them good or bad parents to put most of their efforts into one child while willfully neglecting the siblings? Do the ends justify the means? We know where John is headed, where are his brothers at in life right now? What's their relationship like with their parents and John after all this? That story is so much more compelling and complex than what they decided to do.
Max Power said:
One other thing about the episode that struck me, did anyone else find it ironic that after all the talk about race and privilege that John's parents dropped him off alone at night in the black part of town and not the white part when they told him to walk home? Shouldn't it have been the other way around if they were trying to reinforce the narrative while also teaching him to become fearless since he and Hal are from different backgrounds, or was that too much?
The worst part about the show runners turning this show into a racial issue is there's easily a good story here about how far parents can go help their child attain a dream that they failed to achieve. Would it make them good or bad parents to put most of their efforts into one child while willfully neglecting the siblings? Do the ends justify the means? We know where John is headed, where are his brothers at in life right now? What's their relationship like with their parents and John after all this? That story is so much more compelling and complex than what they decided to do.
We have five more episodes. They can absolutely explore how his brothers turned out. If we get to the end and none of that is addressed your second paragraph would be absolutely correct. I think we will see his brothers as adults
I feel like "black part of town" is a very stereotyped interpretation. Someone else brought it up too, it's just the other side of the criticism that they were too heavy handed in this ep.
They left him in a shady looking urban area at night, something potentially dangerous for anyone much less a child. Walking around a suburban neighborhood isn't particularly dangerous for any kid of his age.
Random fact I picked up on New Rockstars: John's family is in Midway City, a fictional Michigan city that's also the hometown of Hawkman, Hawkgirl, and Doom Patrol. Also where the major battle in the first Suicide Squad movie occurred.
They left him in a shady looking urban area at night, something potentially dangerous for anyone much less a child. Walking around a suburban neighborhood isn't particularly dangerous for any kid of his age.
Random fact I picked up on New Rockstars: John's family is in Midway City, a fictional Michigan city that's also the hometown of Hawkman, Hawkgirl, and Doom Patrol. Also where the major battle in the first Suicide Squad movie occurred.
What if one of his brothers grew up to be Black Vulcan?
Also, no superhero show will ever be more woke than the 1977 All-new Super Friends Hour when out of nowhere, the All-Honky squad of Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Zan, Jayna, and their space monkey, Gleek, were joined by:
Apache Chief - Spoke English like he took lessons from Yoda
Samurai - who we thought was from Mongolia, but the Internet says Japan
Black Vulcan - just slap Black in his name, it'll be fine
In 1981, they tossed the Hispanics a bone with El Dorado, who just randomly had whatever power they needed - flight, teleportation, create illusions - no set pattern.
El Dorado didn't even get a shirt, and Black Vulcan and Samurai were ready to hit the gay bar in those short shorts.
Also, no superhero show will ever be more woke than the 1977 All-new Super Friends Hour when out of nowhere, the All-Honky squad of Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Zan, Jayna, and their space monkey, Gleek, were joined by:
Apache Chief - Spoke English like he took lessons from Yoda
Samurai - who we thought was from Mongolia, but the Internet says Japan
Black Vulcan - just slap Black in his name, it'll be fine
In 1981, they tossed the Hispanics a bone with El Dorado, who just randomly had whatever power they needed - flight, teleportation, create illusions - no set pattern.
El Dorado didn't even get a shirt, and Black Vulcan and Samurai were ready to hit the gay bar in those short shorts.
CharleyKerfeld said:
What if one of his brothers grew up to be Black Vulcan?
John Stewart's creation was a political statement in of itself. I want to know what world people are in where both Marvel and DC weren't ever pushing political commentary
Vince Blake said:
Finally got around to watching episode 3. While there were some good parts, overall that was a bad episode. I don't know the lore behind the character but John's backstory is just dumb. I could get it if the dad's rejection drove him crazy to put his son through all this training. The mom character was just bad. If you want to use a character to voice the challenges of a race of people, fine whatever, but when that same character robs her child of agency and puts him in dangerous situations, it really doesn't land the same. Also I feel like the backstory robbed John of a hero's journey of developing his own mastery of fear rather than just his parents shot apples off his head and made him walk home from the hood at night so he's not afraid of anything. It makes John look like this plastic android of a character.
I felt this episode set the show back and it wasn't needed or could have been done a lot better.
I didnt think they harped on the racial challenges. She just mentioned it as an additional consideration, when they rejected her husband.
Not saying you are, but it seems like the racial component is being highlighted by by some posters, to a greater extent than the show did. The mere mention of it doesn't mean it's the characters sole motivation. It wasn't the main focus of the family/mom. But it was a consideration...which isn't something out of the ordinary in today's world.
She watched what it did to her husband, and was bound and determined to make sure it didnt happen to her son as well. She was forcing him to be great....as defined by the beings who would select him. She sees he has the chance to be the protector of the world, revered by all...and is taking drastic measures to insure he's chosen.
And I dont think it robbed him of his hero's journey. They are contrasting the free wheeling, improvising style of Hal, compared to John's robotic compliance. It's half the battle between John and Hal, and explains why he is the way he is.
It also sets up a showdown. Hal is thinking for himself, doing what he thinks is right. John is following instructions. Apparently his mentor doesnt think John is 'on their side'. I'm curious to find otu who is right/wrong...and if John can break ranks, if it's the right thing to do. Or will his upbringing force him to simply do as he's told.
It's like the scene when they first got to the stadium. Hal saw the Alien, and was keeping his distance. John wanted to follow the chain of command and notify the sheriff. Turned out Hal's approach was the right one.
AgGrad99 said:Vince Blake said:
Finally got around to watching episode 3. While there were some good parts, overall that was a bad episode. I don't know the lore behind the character but John's backstory is just dumb. I could get it if the dad's rejection drove him crazy to put his son through all this training. The mom character was just bad. If you want to use a character to voice the challenges of a race of people, fine whatever, but when that same character robs her child of agency and puts him in dangerous situations, it really doesn't land the same. Also I feel like the backstory robbed John of a hero's journey of developing his own mastery of fear rather than just his parents shot apples off his head and made him walk home from the hood at night so he's not afraid of anything. It makes John look like this plastic android of a character.
I felt this episode set the show back and it wasn't needed or could have been done a lot better.
I didnt think they harped on the racial challenges. She just mentioned it as an additional consideration, when they rejected her husband.
Not saying you are, but it seems like the racial component is being highlighted by by some posters, to a greater extent than the show did. The mere mention of it doesn't mean it's the characters sole motivation. It wasn't the main focus of the family/mom. But it was a consideration...which isn't something out of the ordinary in today's world.
She watched what it did to her husband, and was bound and determined to make sure it didnt happen to her son as well. She was forcing him to be great....as defined by the beings who would select him. She sees he has the chance to be the protector of the world, revered by all...and is taking drastic measures to insure he's chosen.
And I dont think it robbed him of his hero's journey. They are contrasting the free wheeling, improvising style of Hal, compared to John's robotic compliance. It's half the battle between John and Hal, and explains why he is the way he is.
It also sets up a showdown. Hal is thinking for himself, doing what he thinks is right. John is following instructions. Apparently his mentor doesnt think John is 'on their side'. I'm curious to find otu who is right/wrong...and if John can break ranks, if it's the right thing to do. Or will his upbringing force him to simply do as he's told.
It's like the scene when they first got to the stadium. Hal saw the Alien, and was keeping his distance. John wanted to follow the chain of command and notify the sheriff. Turned out Hal's approach was the right one.
Great post.
You are misremembering... it was much more than a throwaway comment. The show also convoluted two points with "racism" which is simply a delusion by looking at everything through a racial lens.
I grew up in the 90's. We thought about race MUCH less than we started to after 2008.
- When talking about the dad being looked at as crazy because he was a black man talking about almost being chosen by the ring. ANYONE would be looked at as crazy if they walked around telling everyone they were almost chosen. This has nothing to do with race.
- The comment about the authorities getting involved when she tried to sell the diamond. *****, please. ANYONE from some random suburb showing up at a high end place with a diamond of that size would immediately be suspect. Especially when you can't answer the question of "where did you get that?" other than, "From an alien."
I grew up in the 90's. We thought about race MUCH less than we started to after 2008.
I didnt say it was a throw-away comment. It was just mentioned by her a couple times as an additional consideration.
I agree with your feelings, towards her comments. And I too, roll my eyes at people who always bring their situation back to race. But in reality, people still feel that way, so it's not out of character.
Was it a dumb footnote to their story? Probably. But in no way did I come out of that episode, feeling like his upbringing/training was about his race. It was about him not fearing anything, so he'd be chosen.
I agree with your feelings, towards her comments. And I too, roll my eyes at people who always bring their situation back to race. But in reality, people still feel that way, so it's not out of character.
Was it a dumb footnote to their story? Probably. But in no way did I come out of that episode, feeling like his upbringing/training was about his race. It was about him not fearing anything, so he'd be chosen.
I agree with the above that I didn't really feel like racial issues were the focus but just another thing in a long list. Also, portraying the mom the way they did is just highlighting that the parents aren't all high and mighty and better than white people. They were severely flawed, too, and honestly did the most messed up stuff in the series so far.
Three episodes in and I'm firmly in the "this might be the best thing DC has released almost ever" category. Still lots of questions need to be answered, so I'm not crowning it, yet. But it has a ton of potential. Hal and John are just so incredibly well acted.
I'm curious how the Hal/John/Guy situation plays out. I think it was confirmed that Guy has Hal's ring. Is John going to be waiting longer or are we going to have two rings (which isn't new)? Timeline seems weird, too.
Someone posted a few pages back about their prediction that there will be something revealed about Hal and how he got the ring that the guardians don't like and part of why they want him gone. I'm kind of on that same boat. I think it has to do with Guy.
Not really a fan of the personality switch between Hal and Guy from the comics, but Kyle Chandler is nails. Also, weird for Nathan Fillion to be Guy after voicing Hal in animated shows forever now. That will be weird of they are on camera together.
Three episodes in and I'm firmly in the "this might be the best thing DC has released almost ever" category. Still lots of questions need to be answered, so I'm not crowning it, yet. But it has a ton of potential. Hal and John are just so incredibly well acted.
I'm curious how the Hal/John/Guy situation plays out. I think it was confirmed that Guy has Hal's ring. Is John going to be waiting longer or are we going to have two rings (which isn't new)? Timeline seems weird, too.
Someone posted a few pages back about their prediction that there will be something revealed about Hal and how he got the ring that the guardians don't like and part of why they want him gone. I'm kind of on that same boat. I think it has to do with Guy.
Not really a fan of the personality switch between Hal and Guy from the comics, but Kyle Chandler is nails. Also, weird for Nathan Fillion to be Guy after voicing Hal in animated shows forever now. That will be weird of they are on camera together.
Lathspell said:
You are misremembering... it was much more than a throwaway comment. The show also convoluted two points with "racism" which is simply a delusion by looking at everything through a racial lens.These are the types of eye-rolling takes we get from people who live in their critical race theory worlds. It's the same thing as black person assuming every one with lighter skin had an easier life. You have no idea what individual struggles any given person goes through. If you want to make it about socio-economic status, then I'm more on board. But that applies to whites and hispanics in the ghetto, just as much as blacks. But this family is literally a suburban black family in the 90's.
- When talking about the dad being looked at as crazy because he was a black man talking about almost being chosen by the ring. ANYONE would be looked at as crazy if they walked around telling everyone they were almost chosen. This has nothing to do with race.
- The comment about the authorities getting involved when she tried to sell the diamond. *****, please. ANYONE from some random suburb showing up at a high end place with a diamond of that size would immediately be suspect. Especially when you can't answer the question of "where did you get that?" other than, "From an alien."
I grew up in the 90's. We thought about race MUCH less than we started to after 2008.
As I stated, by no means was her or the father portrayed as better or more noble than everyone else. In fact, they might be the most messed up in the series so far. The old white lady alien even thought John was crazy for not resenting them for their behaviors.
I bring that up because you typically see the characters being preachy about race portrayed as high character, noble individuals in shows and movies. That was anything but the case here. When you claim racial injustice and then be a crap human being then the racial complaints don't land. They just make you sound crazier.
I'm in alignment with that thought process. I just read AgGrad's initial post as minimizing it a little more than I did.
As I've already said in one of my previous posts, my ultimate judgement will come down to how John and Hal are ultimately portrayed by the end of the season. I will reserve my final judgement until then because we really have no idea what showrunners are planning. I think several of the current criticisms regarding those characters or the plot, as has been revealed up to this point, are premature.
I will agree that, outside of The Batman or The Penguin show, I'm more invested in this than I have been in any other DCEU thing since probably Man of Steel.
As I've already said in one of my previous posts, my ultimate judgement will come down to how John and Hal are ultimately portrayed by the end of the season. I will reserve my final judgement until then because we really have no idea what showrunners are planning. I think several of the current criticisms regarding those characters or the plot, as has been revealed up to this point, are premature.
I will agree that, outside of The Batman or The Penguin show, I'm more invested in this than I have been in any other DCEU thing since probably Man of Steel.
Saxsoon said:AgGrad99 said:Vince Blake said:
Finally got around to watching episode 3. While there were some good parts, overall that was a bad episode. I don't know the lore behind the character but John's backstory is just dumb. I could get it if the dad's rejection drove him crazy to put his son through all this training. The mom character was just bad. If you want to use a character to voice the challenges of a race of people, fine whatever, but when that same character robs her child of agency and puts him in dangerous situations, it really doesn't land the same. Also I feel like the backstory robbed John of a hero's journey of developing his own mastery of fear rather than just his parents shot apples off his head and made him walk home from the hood at night so he's not afraid of anything. It makes John look like this plastic android of a character.
I felt this episode set the show back and it wasn't needed or could have been done a lot better.
I didnt think they harped on the racial challenges. She just mentioned it as an additional consideration, when they rejected her husband.
Not saying you are, but it seems like the racial component is being highlighted by by some posters, to a greater extent than the show did. The mere mention of it doesn't mean it's the characters sole motivation. It wasn't the main focus of the family/mom. But it was a consideration...which isn't something out of the ordinary in today's world.
She watched what it did to her husband, and was bound and determined to make sure it didnt happen to her son as well. She was forcing him to be great....as defined by the beings who would select him. She sees he has the chance to be the protector of the world, revered by all...and is taking drastic measures to insure he's chosen.
And I dont think it robbed him of his hero's journey. They are contrasting the free wheeling, improvising style of Hal, compared to John's robotic compliance. It's half the battle between John and Hal, and explains why he is the way he is.
It also sets up a showdown. Hal is thinking for himself, doing what he thinks is right. John is following instructions. Apparently his mentor doesnt think John is 'on their side'. I'm curious to find otu who is right/wrong...and if John can break ranks, if it's the right thing to do. Or will his upbringing force him to simply do as he's told.
It's like the scene when they first got to the stadium. Hal saw the Alien, and was keeping his distance. John wanted to follow the chain of command and notify the sheriff. Turned out Hal's approach was the right one.
Great post.
It's a great post...unless you hear multiple interviews by the writer of this episode and the actors which completely contradict it.
John Stewart being black was the main driving factor for this writer's approach to this episode.
Its expressed clearly in interviews and articles written about the episode which reaffirm the message from the episode. There's also an official DC studios showhost, Fantastic Frankey, telling everyone on social media that yes, Hal Jordan is racist and we should just accept it.
This isn't something we're making up or exaggerating. You can be ok with her message, but to claim its not there or we're making it up is patently false.
https://slate.com/culture/2026/08/lanterns-show-hbo-green-lantern-episode-3-john-stewart-aaron-pierre-black-race.html
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