Yeah I mean it's all fine, and it's easy to come up our own theories to explain it, but "everyone hates Hal now" seems like a pretty huge jump from how people (outside of Rushville) treated him earlier in the show. Even the medical examiner talks about how the media love to see an old has been or whatever.

My current head canon is that Hal knew the whole thing smelled fishy at the end. The Manhunter just more or less let itself be shot in the head. He thinks there's more to the story, and rather than try to defend himself, bring up the other aliens involved (which would be pretty easy to prove since one of them blew itself up inside the police station) and draw even more attention to the situation and potentially spook (whatever) into leaving, he decides his best plan is to just lay low, claim fault for everything that happened, let (whatever) think that it's all over and cooled down, etc.

Seems like a pretty long term scheme but if he thinks the guardians themselves are compromised or in danger or something maybe that's the play?

Was Hal's interaction with projection Hal on the water tower discussed? What did they do with that interaction? Update memory, memorialize events, switch places (is that even possible)? If I missed that being discussed, I apologize but I thought that brief scene before the heavy attacks started was something significant… full admission that this is pure speculation as I have no knowledge of green lantern lore

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It's not like he was being held in the local jail. They mention he returned to Rushville after he got out of federal prison. Word is definitely going to get out and that scene at the roadside taco stand was enough to show that everyone else in the world likes Hal Jordan, so I'm fairly sure they'd want some kind of explanation for what went down that resulted in him not being Green Lantern and going to prison.

I mean again, it's not THAT big of a deal and it doesn't really necessarily impact the core plot of the show, but for me it would have been nice to see that fallout.

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I'm on board that much of this plot now involves either ignoring a lot of inconsistencies or coming up with farfetched reasons which the showriters should be providing themselves. You're dead on about Hal...he's been the Green Lantern, an intergalactic superhero, for 30 years. They've spoken about all of the good he's done, saving the world, bringing in Sinestro, and more. Him ending up in prison for the events of episode 5 deserve an explanation from the show.

Maybe the last two episodes will answer every question and plot inconsistency, but the odds on that are low. I think we have to just settle for this being a show where the messages and themes, combined with cool or funny images, are the priority of the showrunners and writers. A tight plotline is secondary. Plenty of shows are like that and entertaining once you accept that reality.

For example, the majority of the episode titled "The Weenie" contributed nothing to the overall plot and was just a setup for Hal's joke, "Well, I guess we've seen his weenie!".

We just don't know much about the "sentry protocol." Is it actually physical and can interact with its surroundings or is it just a visual projection? Neither time we've seen it does it touch anything, so hard to say.

Though because of this question I did rewatch the scene in the first episode and something caught my attention, 2016 Hal hadn't backed himself up in ten years and the 2026 projection is presumably the same one (same clothes and hair.) So that does seem to indicate that there's something in his head he doesn't want the rest of the Green Lantern Corps or the Guardians to know/be able to access.

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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bobinator said:

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It's not li

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For example, the majority of the episode titled "The Weenie" contributed nothing to the overall plot and was just a setup for Hal's joke, "Well, I guess we've seen his weenie!".

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I really gotta disagree with that first sentence.

That episode:

Gave the back story of the Manhunters via Sinestro
Made Hal say out loud that John is his replacement
Dangles the idea that if Hal captures the Manhunter, the Guardians will let him stay a lantern
Has Lianna dangle the instant access to becoming GL to John
Exposes who the Manhunter actually is

Also showed how much advanced technology the militia group really has. That failed break-in was needed to establish that they couldn't just smash their way in and end this whole thing before it starts.

bobinator said:

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Also showed how much advanced technology the militia group really has. That failed break-in was needed to establish that they couldn't just smash their way in and end this whole thing before it starts.

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I'm 2 episodes late with this comment, but I really loved the water tower being filled with anti-GL smoke.

CharleyKerfeld said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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bobinator said:

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It's not li

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For example, the majority of the episode titled "The Weenie" contributed nothing to the overall plot and was just a setup for Hal's joke, "Well, I guess we've seen his weenie!".

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I really gotta disagree with that first sentence.

That episode:

Gave the back story of the Manhunters via Sinestro
Made Hal say out loud that John is his replacement
Dangles the idea that if Hal captures the Manhunter, the Guardians will let him stay a lantern
Has Lianna dangle the instant access to becoming GL to John
Exposes who the Manhunter actually is

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I exaggerated a little but not much. What I meant was that the show engineered that whole unnecessary scene and the leadup conversation about Disney calling the non-visible parts his park "The Weenie", just for that one joke. All of the relevant info relayed in that particular episode could have been relayed without that scene, and I think it actually does happen outside of that scene. So, just IMO the whole joke and setup for the joke came across as silly and juvenile in a show that wants to be gritty and mature, and a waste of time in a season that only has 8 episodes.

bobinator said:

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Also showed how much advanced technology the militia group really has. That failed break-in was needed to establish that they couldn't just smash their way in and end this whole thing before it starts.

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Did anyone else question why Hal and John went to the trouble of making this huge drill construct to tunnel past security, but then still pop up 100 yards away from the actual building they need to break into?

FL_Ag1998 said:

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bobinator said:

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Also showed how much advanced technology the militia group really has. That failed break-in was needed to establish that they couldn't just smash their way in and end this whole thing before it starts.

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Did anyone else question why Hal and John went to the trouble of making this huge drill construct to tunnel past security, but then still pop up 100 yards away from the actual building they need to break into?

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I figured they probably thought the thing extended underground or had some sort of proximity sensors.

Or they didn't want to create a sinkhole underneath a building when the drill vanishes. They had no idea what was inside of it.

Yeah, I mean both of those reasons could be viable reasons. I just hate that the show consistently presents a situation that causes the audience to scratch their head and decide that, "Well, surely there must be some reason this nonsensical thing happened, so anyway let's just move on!". That's what I mean about the writing not being tight. But, I digress. I'll move on.

I do find interesting the idea that real Hal is alive and the body that was killed was a clone. I would love for the last two episodes to reveal a whole new deep-layered scheme by Hal to expose corruption with the Gaurdians.

CharleyKerfeld said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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bobinator said:

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Also showed how much advanced technology the militia group really has. That failed break-in was needed to establish that they couldn't just smash their way in and end this whole thing before it starts.

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Did anyone else question why Hal and John went to the trouble of making this huge drill construct to tunnel past security, but then still pop up 100 yards away from the actual building they need to break into?

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I figured they probably thought the thing extended underground or had some sort of proximity sensors.

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Didn't they think the Manhunter was in there? With all the technology they knew it had, I'm sure proximity sensors were a good bet.