Watched it last night. It is off to a good start.
*** LANTERNS *** (DCU / HBO Series)
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Almost forgot
So good to see Garrett Dillahunt getting roles still. He was a delight in Raising Hope and so good in Deadwood that he played 2 different roles.
So good to see Garrett Dillahunt getting roles still. He was a delight in Raising Hope and so good in Deadwood that he played 2 different roles.
Just watched the pilot last night and thought it was very interesting; i'm intrigued as to where this story is going. Then I go online and see so many people bashing it. I have no idea why people are having issues with it. Granted, I don't really know ANYTHING about the different Lanterns and their backstories or personalities. Did they take a lot of leeway with the characters or something?
I see words like "woke" out there for the show and didn't see any of that, myself. Is that just because of John Stewart being black? Are they being disrespectful with Hal Jordan in some way?
As for casting, I loved Kyle Chandler as the old veteran lantern and thought the casting for John Stewart definitely looks the part.
I'm really confused as to any backlash aside from someone just simply not enjoying the story or unless they are just trampling all over the Green Lantern mythos, of which I have no reference.
I see words like "woke" out there for the show and didn't see any of that, myself. Is that just because of John Stewart being black? Are they being disrespectful with Hal Jordan in some way?
As for casting, I loved Kyle Chandler as the old veteran lantern and thought the casting for John Stewart definitely looks the part.
I'm really confused as to any backlash aside from someone just simply not enjoying the story or unless they are just trampling all over the Green Lantern mythos, of which I have no reference.
I really don't understand the backlash. The complaints I have heard...
- called Lanterns vs. Green Lantern
- not set in space
- no GL uniform
- too much cussing
- militia scene was too much "on the nose"
Lathspell said:
I see words like "woke" out there for the show and didn't see any of that, myself. Is that just because of John Stewart being black?
I didn't get woke vibes from it. Not sure how a black character introduced in the early 70s can be considered woke?
Maybe it's because it's hard to believe Kelly Macdonald as some hard ass gruff sheriff? Which personally for me is forgivable. I've been in love with her ever since she slipped off that sequin dress and gave Obi-Wan the goods in Trainspotting.
I have not watched the episode yet, but plan to. And I'll be doing it with the understanding that it is not really based on the comic book Green Lanterns. That's what the complaints are based on from what i've seen so far.
I'm not the biggest green lantern buff, so someone feel free to correct me. But I do know that any woke accusations don't come from John Stewart being black, as he's black in the comics. The complaints I've seen are that the story is an allegory for illegal immigration in the U.S.; the fact that Lindelof apparently handled social-political issues pretty heavy handed on his past projects has people making that same assumption here.
But the biggest complaints seem to be from green lanterns comic book fans who are upset that this show does not resemble the comic books at all. Its the standard complaint we see in the comic book cinematic universes....why the heck make a show based on a comic book but then change 90% of the stuff from the comic book?
I'm not the biggest green lantern buff, so someone feel free to correct me. But I do know that any woke accusations don't come from John Stewart being black, as he's black in the comics. The complaints I've seen are that the story is an allegory for illegal immigration in the U.S.; the fact that Lindelof apparently handled social-political issues pretty heavy handed on his past projects has people making that same assumption here.
But the biggest complaints seem to be from green lanterns comic book fans who are upset that this show does not resemble the comic books at all. Its the standard complaint we see in the comic book cinematic universes....why the heck make a show based on a comic book but then change 90% of the stuff from the comic book?
There's also a complaints about Hal not only being unlike his comic book character, but the fact that this show felt like it had to turn him into another deconstructed hero who's burnt out blah, blah, blah. Can that angle be interesting? Absolutely. But when that angle has been done to death in the movies with almost every hero over the past 10 years, then its not unique anymore its a tired trope.
It's possible that there's an allegory here, and Lindelof certainly doesn't shy away from social commentary, but at this point anything interpreting that requires a massive amount of speculation.
I'm not a big GL reader (not to mention that his powers can be a bit hokey/contrived) and I thought it was awesome. As a whole DC's more mature takes on the genre have been really good and a refreshing change.
I'm not a big GL reader (not to mention that his powers can be a bit hokey/contrived) and I thought it was awesome. As a whole DC's more mature takes on the genre have been really good and a refreshing change.
fig96 said:
It's possible that there's an allegory here, and Lindelof certainly doesn't shy away from social commentary, but at this point anything interpreting that requires a massive amount of speculation.
I'm not a big GL reader (not to mention that his powers can be a bit hokey/contrived) and I thought it was awesome. As a whole DC's more mature takes on the genre have been really good and a refreshing change.
Yeah, I listened to their complaints, but these Youtubers are hardcore comic book nerds who hate any deviation from comic book lore. I'm going into this with the attitude that its simply using established characters to spin its own story. And I'll let the story dictate how much of a woke feel I get from it. I don't plan on grading it as strictly as I did Nolan's Odyssey movie, lol.
Ok, just watched it.
As a Green Lantern show I can understand why the comic book fans don't like it. They get a lot wrong...the character's personalities, how the ring works, how a new Lantern is chosen, the suit.
But as a mystery show with an alien twist it has my interest. Kyke Chandler is good in everything he does. Macdonald is good but her natural accent slips out from time to time. I'm definitely in for more episodes.
As a Green Lantern show I can understand why the comic book fans don't like it. They get a lot wrong...the character's personalities, how the ring works, how a new Lantern is chosen, the suit.
But as a mystery show with an alien twist it has my interest. Kyke Chandler is good in everything he does. Macdonald is good but her natural accent slips out from time to time. I'm definitely in for more episodes.
If they made all the TV shows and movies comic-book accurate, most of them would be unwatchable.
You're right.Most of them would end up looking like the '60's Batman series, lol.
Now, that doesn't mean you throw all of the source material in the trash and start from scratch, essentially just using the name only and making everything else up. I think the best superhero movies find that happy medium, like Captain america first avenger.
Presenting a grounded version of a superhero can offer a unique spin but it will always have its limitations, because superheroes are the exact opposite of "grounded".
Now, that doesn't mean you throw all of the source material in the trash and start from scratch, essentially just using the name only and making everything else up. I think the best superhero movies find that happy medium, like Captain america first avenger.
Presenting a grounded version of a superhero can offer a unique spin but it will always have its limitations, because superheroes are the exact opposite of "grounded".
Let's talk about that ending. Do we think it's really Hal that's dead? The show gave us plenty of hints that it's not...the comment about there being 14 species of aliens that can pass completely as human....the hologram version of him that showed up earlier. It would be a great twist to reveal that's not really Hal.
Buuuttt, it's been reported that both the John Stewart and Guy Gardner versions of Green Lantern appear in the Man of Tomorrow movie, but supposedly Kyle Chandler does not. So, is Hal Jordan definitely dead by the end of the season?
Buuuttt, it's been reported that both the John Stewart and Guy Gardner versions of Green Lantern appear in the Man of Tomorrow movie, but supposedly Kyle Chandler does not. So, is Hal Jordan definitely dead by the end of the season?
FL_Ag1998 said:
Let's talk about that ending. Do we think it's really Hal that's dead? The show gave us plenty of hints that it's not...the comment about there being 14 species of aliens that can pass completely as human....the hologram version of him that showed up earlier. It would be a great twist to reveal that's not really Hal. Buuuttt, it's been reported that both the John Stewart and Guy Gardner versions of Green Lantern appear in the Man of Tomorrow movie, but supposedly Kyle Chandler does not.
I think it's real just from a logistics standpoint
We still need an explanation of Guy
Saxsoon said:FL_Ag1998 said:
Let's talk about that ending. Do we think it's really Hal that's dead? The show gave us plenty of hints that it's not...the comment about there being 14 species of aliens that can pass completely as human....the hologram version of him that showed up earlier. It would be a great twist to reveal that's not really Hal. Buuuttt, it's been reported that both the John Stewart and Guy Gardner versions of Green Lantern appear in the Man of Tomorrow movie, but supposedly Kyle Chandler does not.
I think it's real just from a logistics standpoint
We still need an explanation of Guy
You're right, and see my updated post above. Maybe that's not really Hal, but he does end up dying by the last episode.
"Haha, tricked you guys, that's not really Hal!
"Wait, another plot twist! Hal really does die in some other way so that the ring can pass to John!"
FL_Ag1998 said:Saxsoon said:FL_Ag1998 said:
Let's talk about that ending. Do we think it's really Hal that's dead? The show gave us plenty of hints that it's not...the comment about there being 14 species of aliens that can pass completely as human....the hologram version of him that showed up earlier. It would be a great twist to reveal that's not really Hal. Buuuttt, it's been reported that both the John Stewart and Guy Gardner versions of Green Lantern appear in the Man of Tomorrow movie, but supposedly Kyle Chandler does not.
I think it's real just from a logistics standpoint
We still need an explanation of Guy
You're right, and see my updated post above. Maybe that's not really Hal, but he does end up dying by the last episode.
"Haha, tricked you guys, that's not really Hal!
"Wait, another plot twist! Hal really does die in some other way so that the ring can pass to John!"
Hmm I am not sure I would care for that twist personally. Possible yes but it feels a little cheap
Possible it's a fakeout, but in the post credits episode discussion video Lindelof talks about how killing Hal was their big early decision on the story. Then Kyle Chandler says when he read that in the script he knew it was gonna be good. So seems like it's the actual outcome, unless they're putting a lot of effort into the misdirection.
Will the remainder of the season take place in the 2016 era?
zap said:
Will the remainder of the season take place in the 2016 era?
We don't know the resolution of the 2016 plot. I have to imagine we will split between then and now
Saxsoon said:zap said:
Will the remainder of the season take place in the 2016 era?
We don't know the resolution of the 2016 plot. I have to imagine we will split between then and now
Yeah, since they've mentioned so many times how inspired they were by True Detective, I imagine this whole season will be flip flopping back and forth between the two timelines.
fig96 said:
Possible it's a fakeout, but in the post credits episode discussion video Lindelof talks about how killing Hal was their big early decision on the story. Then Kyle Chandler says when he read that in the script he knew it was gonna be good. So seems like it's the actual outcome, unless they're putting a lot of effort into the misdirection.
I gotta go watch that, I always forget about the after-credit previews in these HBO shows.
zap said:
I really don't understand the backlash. The complaints I have heard...
- called Lanterns vs. Green Lantern
- not set in space
- no GL uniform
- too much cussing
- militia scene was too much "on the nose"
anyone complaining about this show so far is basically a very small % of viewership. Theres not "so many people" bashing, its at like 90% approval right now
Well, as one only barely familiar with the Green Lantern characters, this show grabbed me with its exceptional cast and that interrogation sequence. I have liked Kyle Chandler since first seeing him as the dad/sheriff in Super 8. His performance here made me think he was having a lot of fun portraying Hal Jordan, much as I did with Chris Hemsworth's first Thor movie.
fig96 said:
Possible it's a fakeout, but in the post credits episode discussion video Lindelof talks about how killing Hal was their big early decision on the story. Then Kyle Chandler says when he read that in the script he knew it was gonna be good. So seems like it's the actual outcome, unless they're putting a lot of effort into the misdirection.
Hal foreshadows it in the episode by basically saying it.
I'm in on this. Good show. Don't get the woke complaints but I did scoff at the shooting as they write it off as typical Nebraska rednecks with guns. That was a cop out considering I haven't heard of too many shootings at high school football games in all white Nebraska....because rednecks.
That's fake news propaganda...but maybe that is driving the woke complaints?
YouBet said:fig96 said:
Possible it's a fakeout, but in the post credits episode discussion video Lindelof talks about how killing Hal was their big early decision on the story. Then Kyle Chandler says when he read that in the script he knew it was gonna be good. So seems like it's the actual outcome, unless they're putting a lot of effort into the misdirection.
Hal foreshadows it in the episode by basically saying it.
I'm in on this. Good show. Don't get the woke complaints but I did scoff at the shooting as they write it off as typical Nebraska rednecks with guns. That was a cop out considering I haven't heard of too many shootings at high school football games in all white Nebraska....because rednecks.
That's fake news propaganda...but maybe that is driving the woke complaints?
The cop didn't say Nebraska people shoot each other all the time at football games, she said they all carry guns. When a massive brawl started at a football game, it's not a stretch that someone would fire a gun, and the situation would downgrade from there.
CharleyKerfeld said:YouBet said:fig96 said:
Possible it's a fakeout, but in the post credits episode discussion video Lindelof talks about how killing Hal was their big early decision on the story. Then Kyle Chandler says when he read that in the script he knew it was gonna be good. So seems like it's the actual outcome, unless they're putting a lot of effort into the misdirection.
Hal foreshadows it in the episode by basically saying it.
I'm in on this. Good show. Don't get the woke complaints but I did scoff at the shooting as they write it off as typical Nebraska rednecks with guns. That was a cop out considering I haven't heard of too many shootings at high school football games in all white Nebraska....because rednecks.
That's fake news propaganda...but maybe that is driving the woke complaints?
The cop didn't say Nebraska people shoot each other all the time at football games, she said they all carry guns. When a massive brawl started at a football game, it's not a stretch that someone would fire a gun, and the situation would downgrade from there.
Meh. I'll spare the thread further convo on this.
Looking forward to next episode.
From what I understand the comic focuses pretty strongly on race, so I get why people feel it's woke and don't like it.
I on the other hand didn't mind episode one, it didn't pull me in but it's fine enough that I'll try another episode.
I on the other hand didn't mind episode one, it didn't pull me in but it's fine enough that I'll try another episode.
I'm assuming we are going to get more backstory later on why and how John was picked by Hal because that was just skated over.
I didn't think he was picked by Hal. Didn't they say he was picked by the big bosses or something like that?
I got the sense he was chosen as Hal's potential/eventual replacement and now Hal is forced to train him.
I got the sense he was chosen as Hal's potential/eventual replacement and now Hal is forced to train him.
Yup, seemed pretty clear that he wasn't Hal's choice and Hal isn't thrilled about the situation.
Prophet00 said:
I didn't think he was picked by Hal. Didn't they say he was picked by the big bosses or something like that?
I got the sense he was chosen as Hal's potential/eventual replacement and now Hal is forced to train him.
Yeah, I think that's right.
YouBet said:Prophet00 said:
I didn't think he was picked by Hal. Didn't they say he was picked by the big bosses or something like that?
I got the sense he was chosen as Hal's potential/eventual replacement and now Hal is forced to train him.
Yeah, I think that's right.
So, this is one of the variations from the comics. In the comic book the ring essentially can't be used by anyone other than the one Green Lantern it was assigned to. And the ring only leaves that Lantern after he dies; it then flies off the old Lantern and to whoever it decides is worthy of being the new Lantern. It's not even the Guardians (Hal's bosses) that decide who the next Lantern will be, its the "willpower"/force behind the ring that decides. So, we'll have to see if the show goes any deeper into that, because this is an area where they've deviated from the actual lore of the comics.
FL_Ag1998 said:YouBet said:Prophet00 said:
I didn't think he was picked by Hal. Didn't they say he was picked by the big bosses or something like that?
I got the sense he was chosen as Hal's potential/eventual replacement and now Hal is forced to train him.
Yeah, I think that's right.
So, this is one of the variations from the comics. In the comic book the ring essentially can't be used by anyone other than the one Green Lantern it was assigned to. And the ring only leaves that Lantern after he dies; it then flies off the old Lantern and to whoever it decides is worthy of being the new Lantern. It's not even the Guardians (Hal's bosses) that decide who the next Lantern will be, its the "willpower"/force behind the ring that decides. So, we'll have to see if the show goes any deeper into that, because this is an area where they've deviated from the actual lore of the comics.
Yes, I remember this now and I think they followed this lore in the Ryan Reynolds version on how he got the ring.
Charlie Conway said:
From what I understand the comic focuses pretty strongly on race, so I get why people feel it's woke and don't like it.
I on the other hand didn't mind episode one, it didn't pull me in but it's fine enough that I'll try another episode.
The woke complaints online are from the show hinting that the interstellar alien plot might be an allegory for the current US immigration political topic.
Intergalactic aliens = illegal aliens...the rich rancher arming up to protect the earth against beings who "weren't born here"....the show using words like colonizing (now a political buzzword)....portraying middle America Nebraskans as cliche gun-toting anti-Obama white hicks.
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