If DC wants to jump start their rebuild then they need to immediately sign Pierre, Fillion, and Chandler to a long contract.
*** LANTERNS *** (DCU / HBO Series)
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mnetop said:AgGrad99 said:
I also like that they didnt find the lantern yet. Adds some additional suspense, since they're running out of time.
would have been too convenient to wrap it up in one episode.
Agreed, but that 5% charge that was activated after digging the grave sure is lasting a long time....
It's only draining more when ghost-Hal is actually there. He himself said they had like an hour of "talk time" lol.
mnetop said:AgGrad99 said:
I also like that they didnt find the lantern yet. Adds some additional suspense, since they're running out of time.
would have been too convenient to wrap it up in one episode.
Agreed, but that 5% charge that was activated after digging the grave sure is lasting a long time....
I saw an internet theory that the ring is already dead and John is keeping the backup going through his mind without even realizing. I thought it was interesting.
dave94 said:mnetop said:AgGrad99 said:
I also like that they didnt find the lantern yet. Adds some additional suspense, since they're running out of time.
would have been too convenient to wrap it up in one episode.
Agreed, but that 5% charge that was activated after digging the grave sure is lasting a long time....
It's only draining more when ghost-Hal is actually there. He himself said they had like an hour of "talk time" lol.
They also have established a way around that little dilemma...John is space Jesus and can produce a construct without a ring.
I am loving this show, to me the people bashing it to an extreme level are being overly critical.
Aaron Pierre casted as John Stewart (to me) matches perfectly with the old 2000s justice league cartoons. Always serious, always objective, he does it so well.
The liberal race crap they threw in, yea dumb, but it's come to be expected in hollywood.
Aaron Pierre casted as John Stewart (to me) matches perfectly with the old 2000s justice league cartoons. Always serious, always objective, he does it so well.
The liberal race crap they threw in, yea dumb, but it's come to be expected in hollywood.
FL_Ag1998 said:dave94 said:mnetop said:AgGrad99 said:
I also like that they didnt find the lantern yet. Adds some additional suspense, since they're running out of time.
would have been too convenient to wrap it up in one episode.
Agreed, but that 5% charge that was activated after digging the grave sure is lasting a long time....
It's only draining more when ghost-Hal is actually there. He himself said they had like an hour of "talk time" lol.
They also have established a way around that little dilemma...John is space Jesus and can produce a construct without a ring.
He maintained it without the ring, important distinction
Camo said:
Always serious, always objective, he does it so well.
Except when he is arguing with his brothers on the phone!
Yep, I was including that in my statement...John not only maintained construct Hal after taking off the ring, but in the earlier episode John maintained a construct bird for hours and hours (days?) while being a thousand miles away from the ring.
I know it would throw off the chemistry but I wish for more Guy.
What's with the gym teacher background? He used to be a lawyer, IIRC.
What's with the gym teacher background? He used to be a lawyer, IIRC.
More Guy?
I'm not a big DC fan in general, so I haven't seen him in anything other than the latest superman. But he looks like an out of shape dad, who dressed up as the green lantern on Halloween, to make his kids happy. He just seems so out of place, compared to everyone else. I just can't buy him as a superhero.
One man's opinion, but to me...he was bad casting.
I'm not a big DC fan in general, so I haven't seen him in anything other than the latest superman. But he looks like an out of shape dad, who dressed up as the green lantern on Halloween, to make his kids happy. He just seems so out of place, compared to everyone else. I just can't buy him as a superhero.
One man's opinion, but to me...he was bad casting.
FL_Ag1998 said:
Yep, I was including that in my statement...John not only maintained construct Hal after taking off the ring, but in the earlier episode John maintained a construct bird for hours and hours (days?) while being a thousand miles away from the ring.
I think it's important to note that not only did he do this, he did it while the ring was out of power.
AgGrad99 said:
More Guy?
I'm not a big DC fan in general, so I haven't seen him in anything other than the latest superman. But he looks like an out of shape dad, who dressed up as the green lantern on Halloween, to make his kids happy. He just seems so out of place, compared to everyone else. I just can't buy him as a superhero.
One man's opinion, but to me...he was bad casting.
Worst opinion in TexAgs history.
Hey, I'll own it.
He just seems so out of place to me. Looks more like a dude playing dress up; whereas, all the other characters I buy.
He was good in 2 Guys and a Girl. As a GL? not for me.
He just seems so out of place to me. Looks more like a dude playing dress up; whereas, all the other characters I buy.
He was good in 2 Guys and a Girl. As a GL? not for me.
To me its the haircut. I know that's Guy's haircut and in that regard it fits. But its always just odd to see Fillion with that mop on his head.
That was good
Big fan of this show.
That was awesome.
Pretty much perfect season wrap up
And when you least expect it, Matt Rhule...
Perfect murder mystery. And a well done origin story for a superhero.
Amazing finale! Aaron Pierre is about to be a big time star.
Really enjoyed it. They kept the story very small despite some huge revelations and huge stakes.
Can't wait to see Aaron Pierre (and Fillion) in Superman 2. Kyle Chandler's vulnerability in playing the post-prison Hal Jordan under the cop's protection was really great acting as well.
My unanswerable question is: Does Matt Rhule get suspended when the NCAA finds out he won three national championships with an alien robot at QB?
And as a followup, does the NCAA have the teeth to do anything about it? They wouldn't take a fake win away from Michigan on the bogus Hail Mary, will they take away wins from Nebraska because they used an killer robot to run the veer?
Can't wait to see Aaron Pierre (and Fillion) in Superman 2. Kyle Chandler's vulnerability in playing the post-prison Hal Jordan under the cop's protection was really great acting as well.
My unanswerable question is: Does Matt Rhule get suspended when the NCAA finds out he won three national championships with an alien robot at QB?
And as a followup, does the NCAA have the teeth to do anything about it? They wouldn't take a fake win away from Michigan on the bogus Hail Mary, will they take away wins from Nebraska because they used an killer robot to run the veer?
Am I the only one left feeling kind of off, after this season?
I have a hard time believing Jon Stewart is a good guy. So, he covers up the murder of Hal Jordan, steals his ring, and uses a lantern built by Sinestro to power it? How are any of these things the actions of a hero at the end of his character arc?
And we, as the audience, are supposed to buy this idea that the first manhunter killing all these people in the town is the fault of Hal Jordan?
This just doesn't feel like the actions of a hero. This is more along the lines of an anti-hero, which I never thought Green Lantern was meant to be. This feels more like a character in line with the Punisher or Venom than what I understood a Green Lantern to be.
I have a hard time believing Jon Stewart is a good guy. So, he covers up the murder of Hal Jordan, steals his ring, and uses a lantern built by Sinestro to power it? How are any of these things the actions of a hero at the end of his character arc?
And we, as the audience, are supposed to buy this idea that the first manhunter killing all these people in the town is the fault of Hal Jordan?
This just doesn't feel like the actions of a hero. This is more along the lines of an anti-hero, which I never thought Green Lantern was meant to be. This feels more like a character in line with the Punisher or Venom than what I understood a Green Lantern to be.
Lathspell said:
Am I the only one left feeling kind of off, after this season?
I have a hard time believing Jon Stewart is a good guy. So, he covers up the murder of Hal Jordan, steals his ring, and uses a lantern built by Sinestro to power it? How are any of these things the actions of a hero at the end of his character arc?
And we, as the audience, are supposed to buy this idea that the first manhunter killing all these people in the town is the fault of Hal Jordan?
This just doesn't feel like the actions of a hero. This is more along the lines of an anti-hero, which I never thought Green Lantern was meant to be. This feels more like a character in line with the Punisher or Venom than what I understood a Green Lantern to be.
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I have a hard time believing Jon Stewart is a good guy. So, he covers up the murder of Hal Jordan, steals his ring, and uses a lantern built by Sinestro to power it? How are any of these things the actions of a hero at the end of his character arc?
Knowing Hal and knowing Kerry the way he does, it's doubtful Hal would have wanted her arrested for his murder. There's nothing to be gained there, other than more hurt.
John is then acting with is own moral compass in taking the ring and the lantern. He's breaking "the rules" of the Lantern Corps but those rules are created by Guardians who are some shady mofos who pushed his parents to raise him to be a slave to the Guardians' oversight, then tried to get him to kill Hal Jordan, and never once gave him a clear picture of what was going on.
He sides with the people of Earth as opposed to the Galactic Lords and decides he can avoid what happened to Hal by focusing only on the planet he's from rather than zooming around the galaxy and getting jaded over time.
His decisions with Noah and Noah's decisions with him are the real proof of this. If the Guardians knew a second manhunter was on Earth, they'd send wave after waves of GLs to put him down. But John is able to recognize that Noah, despite his nature, is an innocent. He has had bad ideas and even taken steps towards them, but hasn't gone through with any of them. John and Hal are told that Manhunters are relentless killing machines, which they can be, but both of them have also witnessed Manhunters being compassionate and benevolent on Earth. At the end, John decides to stop being a soldier and start being a leader.
Lathspell said:
Am I the only one left feeling kind of off, after this season?
I have a hard time believing Jon Stewart is a good guy. So, he covers up the murder of Hal Jordan, steals his ring, and uses a lantern built by Sinestro to power it? How are any of these things the actions of a hero at the end of his character arc?
And we, as the audience, are supposed to buy this idea that the first manhunter killing all these people in the town is the fault of Hal Jordan?
This just doesn't feel like the actions of a hero. This is more along the lines of an anti-hero, which I never thought Green Lantern was meant to be. This feels more like a character in line with the Punisher or Venom than what I understood a Green Lantern to be.
I am right here with you on this.
I feel like the worst thing Hal did in the series was leave John in the car. Hal being held responsible for the Manhunters actions just made no sense. Even John's speech about how Hal went against all the Lanterns stand for seems such a stretch.
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Even John's speech about how Hal went against all the Lanterns stand for seems such a stretch.
I mostly loved this series (I haven't read any of the Green Lantern comics so not upset they took things in different directions,) BUT this definitely could have been spelled out a little more. I don't really understand the "Hal had betrayed his oath" stuff that they kept bringing up.
AustinScubaAg said:Lathspell said:
Am I the only one left feeling kind of off, after this season?
I have a hard time believing Jon Stewart is a good guy. So, he covers up the murder of Hal Jordan, steals his ring, and uses a lantern built by Sinestro to power it? How are any of these things the actions of a hero at the end of his character arc?
And we, as the audience, are supposed to buy this idea that the first manhunter killing all these people in the town is the fault of Hal Jordan?
This just doesn't feel like the actions of a hero. This is more along the lines of an anti-hero, which I never thought Green Lantern was meant to be. This feels more like a character in line with the Punisher or Venom than what I understood a Green Lantern to be.
I am right here with you on this.
I feel like the worst thing Hal did in the series was leave John in the car. Hal being held responsible for the Manhunters actions just made no sense. Even John's speech about how Hal went against all the Lanterns stand for seems such a stretch.
John is also clearly planning to keep an eye on Noah and I imagine would put him down if it is required.
Feel like they set up good storyline going forward into next season and any movies, doubt the ring will be all good after interacting with the Lantern Sinestro created.
Is sinestro just stuck there now, that vault only opened to Hals voice.
I do think Hal is responsible to some degree, as he should have notified his bosses of the manhunter. Or at the least, worked more with John.
He went solo as a way to try to keep the ring, and it resulted in a lot of people dieing.
Him going to jail feels silly but is in keeping with that sentiment.
CharleyKerfeld said:Quote:
I have a hard time believing Jon Stewart is a good guy. So, he covers up the murder of Hal Jordan, steals his ring, and uses a lantern built by Sinestro to power it? How are any of these things the actions of a hero at the end of his character arc?
Knowing Hal and knowing Kerry the way he does, it's doubtful Hal would have wanted her arrested for his murder. There's nothing to be gained there, other than more hurt.
John is then acting with is own moral compass in taking the ring and the lantern. He's breaking "the rules" of the Lantern Corps but those rules are created by Guardians who are some shady mofos who pushed his parents to raise him to be a slave to the Guardians' oversight, then tried to get him to kill Hal Jordan, and never once gave him a clear picture of what was going on.
He sides with the people of Earth as opposed to the Galactic Lords and decides he can avoid what happened to Hal by focusing only on the planet he's from rather than zooming around the galaxy and getting jaded over time.
His decisions with Noah and Noah's decisions with him are the real proof of this. If the Guardians knew a second manhunter was on Earth, they'd send wave after waves of GLs to put him down. But John is able to recognize that Noah, despite his nature, is an innocent. He has had bad ideas and even taken steps towards them, but hasn't gone through with any of them. John and Hal are told that Manhunters are relentless killing machines, which they can be, but both of them have also witnessed Manhunters being compassionate and benevolent on Earth. At the end, John decides to stop being a soldier and start being a leader.
Manhunters are deceivers and manipulators. For example, the granny manhunter manipulated that whole town in order to stay hidden and protected - purely out of self-interest, not because she was compassionate and benevolent. That was made clear by the fact that whenever she helped someone it was a quid pro quo agreement. She helped them so that in return she could use them to help her later. She was essentially a mix of a cult leader and mafia boss.
That was made very clear, so the best explanation for the ending is actually that Noah easily manipulated simpleminded John, just like John was manipulated by Noah's granny manhunter.
FL_Ag1998 said:CharleyKerfeld said:Quote:
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Manhunters are deceivers and manipulators. For example, the granny manhunter manipulated that whole town in order to stay hidden and protected - purely out of self-interest, not because she was compassionate and benevolent. That was made clear by the fact that whenever she helped someone it was a quid pro quo agreement. She helped them so that in return she could use them to help her later. She was essentially a mix of a cult leader and mafia boss.
That was made very clear, so the best explanation for the ending is actually that Noah easily manipulated simpleminded John, just like John was manipulated by Noah's granny manhunter.
I think you're missing the point. The female manhunter was using all of those resources to protect Noah, not to protect herself. She was willing to die to make both the Lanterns and the aliens think that was the end of the line to keep Noah hidden.
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I reject all of that.
I don't care what Hal MAY have thought. She literally shot a man in the head. Not just a man, but a man who was a hero to this planet. Hal had to pay his debt to society by going to prison for something I would not say is his fault. That's some absolute bull*****
I also reject Jon placing his own personal morals above everyone else and we as the audience should just be expected to accept them. Ultimately, he's saying he knows best and anything he determines to be right IS in fact right. As FL_Ag stated, this entire season we have been shown how manhunters are expert manipulators and leave wakes of destruction in their path. If Noah wants to prove he is no threat, then he should move out to the middle of nowhere, in seclusion and exile. Instead, he's literally going to do what he told Jon he was planning to do, simply to gain power.
Jon isn't siding with the people of Earth. He is siding with himself and his own personal ideas. If he would side with the people of Earth, then he has no right to act as judge and jury for the murderer of Hal Jordan. Let the people of Earth decide what should be done to her. On top of that, let the people of Earth decide what to do with the manhunter.
There's a reason the guardians would send the entire corps to Earth, if they knew there was still a manhunter here. Manhunters destroy worlds. Ultimately, Jon has set himself up as the self-appointed monarch of Earth. Jon is not Jesus Christ.
I don't care what Hal MAY have thought. She literally shot a man in the head. Not just a man, but a man who was a hero to this planet. Hal had to pay his debt to society by going to prison for something I would not say is his fault. That's some absolute bull*****
I also reject Jon placing his own personal morals above everyone else and we as the audience should just be expected to accept them. Ultimately, he's saying he knows best and anything he determines to be right IS in fact right. As FL_Ag stated, this entire season we have been shown how manhunters are expert manipulators and leave wakes of destruction in their path. If Noah wants to prove he is no threat, then he should move out to the middle of nowhere, in seclusion and exile. Instead, he's literally going to do what he told Jon he was planning to do, simply to gain power.
Jon isn't siding with the people of Earth. He is siding with himself and his own personal ideas. If he would side with the people of Earth, then he has no right to act as judge and jury for the murderer of Hal Jordan. Let the people of Earth decide what should be done to her. On top of that, let the people of Earth decide what to do with the manhunter.
There's a reason the guardians would send the entire corps to Earth, if they knew there was still a manhunter here. Manhunters destroy worlds. Ultimately, Jon has set himself up as the self-appointed monarch of Earth. Jon is not Jesus Christ.
No problem. I know my opinion won't change yours, so I'll call it a day in trying to convince you.
There was manhunter in that little town for decades(?) and the killing only started when that alien crew looking for revenge showed up. So perhaps the rhetoric about manhunters being remorseless killing machines was wrong or at least not 100% fact.
Yep... let's ignore the dead planet.
schmendeler said:
There was manhunter in that little town for decades(?) and the killing only started when that alien crew looking for revenge showed up. So perhaps the rhetoric about manhunters being remorseless killing machines was wrong or at least not 100% fact.
Real Nazi's-hiding-in-Argentina energy here.
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