Seems they've changed their tune a bit on the potential of a sequel...

https://www.slashfilm.com/joker-sequel-possible/

https://instagr.am/p/B3UuGyMnczj

TCTTS said:

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Seems they've changed their tune a bit on the potential of a sequel...

https://www.slashfilm.com/joker-sequel-possible/

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No chance we get an older Hannibal Lecter type Joker in a jail-cell in the upcoming Reeves/Pattinson Batman series, right?

There was an interview with Phillips and Phoenix and they both lean to no sequel especially with batman in it

ATM1876 said:

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A great read comparing Fight Club and Joker:

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Both films tell broadly allegorical stories about middle-aged white guys who grow so isolated from the world around them (and so disenfranchised from themselves) that they disassociate altogether, and both films entertain violence as a possible road towards personal agency. But where "Fight Club" confronts the toxicities of its time, "Joker" simply wallows in them.

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https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/fight-club-is-best-joker-movie-1202179222/

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Thats a fantastic article. And what it really hammers home is the expectations game that Phillips played. No one made him set the bar at Taxi Driver or King of Comedy. As a stand alone film that is simply telling the origin of the Joker, I'm wiling to be a lot more forgiving and accepting. But he came out and spoke like his film had something to say and I'm sorry but its a half ass attempt at that.

As a standard comic book movie, I like this film more. Even then, I don't think its nearly as good as Logan, for instance. But as a film that is trying to convey deeper meaning, it 100% fails.

azulAg said:

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phoenix did a great job , that being said ledger still owns this character

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I don't think it's a fair comparison, bc Joaquin had a lot more screen time, but I think Joaquin had a much better performance.

He completely transformed into another person.

i totally get that but even at the end when he becomes joker i still didnt see him as the joker, more like a mental guy in cosplay

yea philips stated he thinks full fledged batman would wipe him out. from the trailer i thought it seemed arthur would organize and cause alot of chaos, but most if not all of it was due to good timing and winging it. no planning whatsoever

Sidebar...

Is there any scenario whatsoever that sees Leto return as the Joker? Does he have any screen time in Birds of Prey? I don't think anyone cares to see more of that version, but what if Birds of Prey is a huge hit, or people want more Harley? They would just never have Mistah J and her again?

i dont think hes involved in suicide squad part 2, neither is will smith apparently

There were set photos a few months back from Birds of Prey that featured Leto's version of the Joker, but it didn't look to be Leto in the role. The Joker was kicking her out of their apartment or something, throwing her clothes down on the sidewalk from the apartment window, except it looked to be shot in such a way that you don't really see his face. So it's likely some super quick flashback or something with the character, but not Leto, if that makes sense...

Found the pics...

I don't know what this mean for the larger picture, though. I'm hoping it's just some quick thing and the last we ever see of that version of the character. We know he's not in Gunn's version, so hopefully this is goodbye forever.

Makes sense and I can definitely picture it

Will Smith had scheduling conflicts but he's still Deadshot.

azulAg said:

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By the time it ended I was ready to leave, i felt uncomfortable and wanted sunlight. Very dark and nihilistic

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Same.

Username checks out...

Is the TDK streaming on any services? I want to give it an rewatch

Different takes on different roles. Ledger still kinG. JP is number 2

Bones08 said:

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Ledger and Phoenix were both great, but I gotta give best Joker to Leto. He ability to subtlety portray Joker as a Damaged individual was outstanding.

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He also wore grills like the rappers do. He was a pretty cool guy.