I could watch this all day.




[This message has been edited by cainer (edited 6/2/2011 1:02p).]

Snow also could not ever become the heir to the Starks because he is now a Night Watchman. Part of their oath is that they give up all claims to titles and cannot father children and it is an oath for life.

A couple questions related to that is how can Jaime Lannister reconcile his oath with the Kingsguard which is similar to the Night Watch (give up all titles and claims and can't father children which he obviously has done in secret) as well as Lord Mormount who I believe is Jonah's father but how could he have done so? It's odd as well because Jaime was first in line for the Lannister title so why would he have given it up? Why would Lord Mormount have done the same with the Night Watch and who is Lord of the Mormount House now?

The HBO site has some great background that isn't spoiler oriented (though some folks think any information is a spoiler), it just explains the world and basically fills in the blanks the book I assume (just started reading) can detail. For instance it explains the Night Watch, the Kingsguard, the City Watch, the Maesters, etc. and what their obligations are. It also discusses how the world came to be up until this point in the story (how the Targareans took and lost power, who all the Houses are and how they are connected, interactive map, etc.) For instance, in the book when a character refers to a name or an event it can take a paragraph to explain context but in the show they have to keep going and you just hear a name of someone without knowing what it is. My guess is they will continue to have scenes like when the daughter is in the throne room with the teacher asking her questions on previous kings in order to give background.

The intricacy of the story is mind boggling.

There's always a way out of an oath.

The restrictions on the new Kingsguard aren't as strict as they may have been under Targaryen rule. A few examples:

- Jaime reps the Lannister colors and sigil from time to time (sidestepping the "only wear white and no ornamentation" rule)
**** two more examples edited because they may not have happened yet in the show. I thought they had, but my brain fails me regularly. Sorry folks!! ****
The Kingsguard gets some extra wiggle room because of their obvious connection to the person who sits on the throne and ultimately makes the rules. Even more so, I would think, for someone actually related to the king, like Jaime.

The black brothers are different, and the oath that Jon took means a little more to a crow. They're either on the Wall by choice (and as such embrace the rules with a certain dignity) or by punishment (and follow the rules because the alternative is/was death). I'm sure any rule can be bent or broken if the right person is named king, but the men of the Nights Watch typically fall into those two groups: (1) the ones who wouldn't want out of their obligations because those rules define who they are and (2) the ones who would never be given the chance anyway.

Just my two cents. It wouldn't be the first time I've misunderstood something.

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Why would Lord Mormount have done the same with the Night Watch and who is Lord of the Mormount House now?

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He left for the Wall so that his son could take his place as Lord of Bear Island. Anything beyond that is probably too much book info for this thread.

**fixed**Gram edit your post there are minor spoilers in there.

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There is only one way in the nights watch...Death.



[This message has been edited by cainer (edited 6/2/2011 12:54p).]

Which post? I'm almost positive that everything I mentioned has already happened on the show.

I could be wrong... Point it out to me and then we can both edit. Thanks!

Ok I edited. If those two things haven't happened yet, I must have been dreaming. I can picture the scenes so clearly in my mind. Weird. You're probably right though. Thanks for the heads up. The last thing I want to do is be the spoiler guy.

I deleted it, but that was absolutely not a spoiler. An author doesn't need a character to be alive to give a back story. We've seen tons of back stories already in this show involving dead characters.

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Several pages back, I think it was decided that that sort of post would be considered a spoiler because now you've implied that a particular character would still be around in books x and y.

Doesn't bother me, but others might get upset.

Yeah BigTime, you might want to edit before you suffer The Wrath.

well guess i can stop watching now since big time decided to tell us all what happens. thanks a lot dude.

BUFFER POST in case Bigtime's post above actually is a spoiler.

[This message has been edited by MW03 (edited 6/2/2011 3:09p).]

Jaime's membership in the Kingsguard is covered in AGOT and has significant bearing on his relationship with his father Tywin and Cersei. It qualifies as backstory IMO, so ask about it in that thread.

So if Drogo attacks there is no possibility the Nights Watch would get called off the wall to battle?

I was just watching cainers gif... The kid that plays the prince was the kid Katie Holmes was trying to protect from mob after The Scarecrow gassed everyone in Batman.

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They said there were less than a thousand of them. If it got to that point I doubt it would really matter. They'd just be opening themselves up to a two pronged attack giving the Wildings free reign to breach the Wall too.

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I can answer that, but it would be with book info and not necessarily info that has been given in the show.

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I was just watching cainers gif... The kid that plays the prince was the kid Katie Holmes was trying to protect from mob after The Scarecrow gassed everyone in Batman.

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nice catch

would also like to add that Catelyn Stark == Hermoine Granger's mom too in the HP movies.

while we're at it Osha = Tonks in HP movies

Don't mention that trash with GAME OF THRONES, knaves!!!

heh, there are only like 10 total british actors...there has to be some overlap...

I'm almost tempted to go over to the other threads w/ those that read the books to see what happens...it's killing me at this point.

why don't you just read the book?

Maybe this will help you wait. Trailer for sundays episode is up on HBO. http://www.hbo.com/#/game-of-thrones/episodes/1/08-the-pointy-end/video/preview.html/eNrjcmbO0CzLTEnNd8xLzKksyUx2zs8rSa0oYc5nLlTPz0mBCQckpqf6JeamsjFyMjKySSeWluQX5CRW2pYUlQLFAFv-Fzg=

Here is the youtube link too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q653MMhri3A

There is also a really sweet Tyrion clip from next episode on HBO.

[This message has been edited by cainer (edited 6/3/2011 9:42a).]

****'s gettin' real in about 11 minutes

Not gonna lie I was wanting more out of that episode

Awesome episode, but I could have done without Hodar's dong

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if you're a non-reader, then don't worry about wanting more - the final two episodes will give you plenty to handle

re: hodor - that scene was pretty much word-for-dong from the books

That was one fast sixty minutes!!!

Loved the episode...well done...

When do you see hodor's dong

Arya is my favorite and, of all of them, Sansa is my least favorite followed closely by Joffrey. They make a good couple.

I was thinking the little girl was going to sneak her way into the dungeon or where ever those dragon heads were.

Those dance lessons sure did pay off on that stable boy.

I wonder if she gets outside the palace and finds her dire wolf while trying to make her way up north.

Oh and was anyone else afraid Snow was going to walk in on the commander doing some gay stuff?