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2wealfth Man said:

Don't know if this impacts anyone's strategy or reasons for holding precious metals but sales of bullion and foreign coins are subject to IRS reporting via a 1099-B. US gold coins are exempt from this reporting (assuming because they are legal currency).
If that was the case, since the Australian silver coins are legal currency, would that not be the same situation?

Here's what I found. "Holdings in gold, silver and other metals, regardless of their formsuch as bullion coins, bullion bars, rare coinage, or ingotsare subject to capital gains tax. The capital gains tax is only owed after the sale of such holdings and if the holdings were held for more than one year.".
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woodiewood1 said:

2wealfth Man said:

Don't know if this impacts anyone's strategy or reasons for holding precious metals but sales of bullion and foreign coins are subject to IRS reporting via a 1099-B. US gold coins are exempt from this reporting (assuming because they are legal currency).
If that was the case, since the Australian silver coins are legal currency, would that not be the same situation?

Here's what I found. "Holdings in gold, silver and other metals, regardless of their formsuch as bullion coins, bullion bars, rare coinage, or ingotsare subject to capital gains tax. The capital gains tax is only owed after the sale of such holdings and if the holdings were held for more than one year.".
Who in their right mind pays taxes on bullion?
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Do they issue a 1099 or something when you sell the stuff? I've only ever bought, so don't know how that process works.
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I assume you are talking about jm bullion or somebody who buys your bullion commercially

Somebody will reapond but i am pretty sure the two dealers or pawn shops do not send out 1099

If I had somebody ask me to fill out a 1099 I would leave that establishment
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maddiedou said:

I assume you are talking about jm bullion or somebody who buys your bullion commercially

Somebody will reapond but i am pretty sure the two dealers or pawn shops do not send out 1099

If I had somebody ask me to fill out a 1099 I would leave that establishment
Two comments. One, I sure would not want the IRS to come back on me 10 years ago for back taxes and interest on my sales. Two, they don't make you sign a 1099 but they may send you a 1099-K and do send the annual sale totals to the IRS. .

Ebay does the same thing. They won't send you a 1099-K until you reach $600 beginning in 2023 in transactions but they do send your total sales to the IRS, but per the law, you are still obligation to put the sales down as income less your costs on your income tax.

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ChiefKiefton said:

Great deal on 10oz RCM bars!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/301679092405

out of stock now, but this is close in price... dipping my toes into silver. From reading many many pages, this seems like a good start?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/333620125671?hash=item4dad4f1fe7:g:V~IAAOSwiP1j99rf&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0P0pOc3oYMqr5LXnm5RioiJEBi8MjW8efQxyFet7jMEV9iDigSlMzJjOc%2FLhu1Xhb1lvY%2FnH4r1ZbkfguU6JY72LKS7JC8jkhzUEo6hp6RxwzULOdM2nA7x6JJ8AygTGO%2BOJRFE%2FIb123M2rzmI1i1peYo0jwCrrkO%2FyIqBCTfK06Kb17Kn8gG6hAjy8HaKT3O%2Bjqqdy2etabo3xaeOBJHut8Wagvqs1ArsD%2FkH5ork0f%2FRM52WY7AV7A1ztv%2BMwp%2BoUhwbaW%2FjM9m3lkTFgRq8%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7bIiJnyYQ
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I've never bought off eBay, I just go direct to the large bullion dealers. To me on ebay the proven reputation of the seller becomes a factor
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jagvocate said:

I've never bought off eBay, I just go direct to the large bullion dealers. To me on ebay the proven reputation of the seller becomes a factor
I generally only use eBay. You get free shipping and no minimum purchase required. I also find the best deals and almost any numismatic coin imaginable. Almost all of the major bullion dealers sell on eBay. If a seller like Pinehurst coins has a 100% rating with 898k items sold, you are gonna be fine.
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perma Brew doomster said:

ChiefKiefton said:

Great deal on 10oz RCM bars!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/301679092405

out of stock now, but this is close in price... dipping my toes into silver. From reading many many pages, this seems like a good start?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/333620125671?hash=item4dad4f1fe7:g:V~IAAOSwiP1j99rf&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0P0pOc3oYMqr5LXnm5RioiJEBi8MjW8efQxyFet7jMEV9iDigSlMzJjOc%2FLhu1Xhb1lvY%2FnH4r1ZbkfguU6JY72LKS7JC8jkhzUEo6hp6RxwzULOdM2nA7x6JJ8AygTGO%2BOJRFE%2FIb123M2rzmI1i1peYo0jwCrrkO%2FyIqBCTfK06Kb17Kn8gG6hAjy8HaKT3O%2Bjqqdy2etabo3xaeOBJHut8Wagvqs1ArsD%2FkH5ork0f%2FRM52WY7AV7A1ztv%2BMwp%2BoUhwbaW%2FjM9m3lkTFgRq8%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7bIiJnyYQ
I have purchased from Aydin coins many times. Highly recommend. If you are looking for 10oz around that price, go with these Krugs. Just my opinion.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234846247172?hash=item36aded5904:g:c6wAAOSwWxVjtzNm
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ChiefKiefton said:

jagvocate said:

I've never bought off eBay, I just go direct to the large bullion dealers. To me on ebay the proven reputation of the seller becomes a factor
I generally only use eBay. You get free shipping and no minimum purchase required. I also find the best deals and almost any numismatic coin imaginable. Almost all of the major bullion dealers sell on eBay. If a seller like Pinehurst coins has a 100% rating with 898k items sold, you are gonna be fine.
That's why markets are markets, millions of people doing their own thing. Thanks for sharing that perspective and info Chief
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not sure if any of you chart metals, but here is my semi amateur take on SILVER,
broke out on April 4th, of a megaphone down. It honestly looked like it was bull flagging until a year ago, then they pushed it down last fall (August / September) nice buying opportunity.

support now appears to be 24.60. and to stay bullish you want to stay above that.

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What software/site is that?
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tradingview.com
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redsquirrelAG said:

I think the best value comes at bigger bars and 1oz gold coins. I love pre 1933 gold. I refuse to get any coins with the lizard queen on them. Junk silver will come in handy for bartering/underground economy once the beast system is activated. Wild times, to think you were chosen to be apart of these times by Father Yehovah. Embrace it and know it's going to get much much worse. Prepare as Joseph did before the famine, know it's coming and don't ignore the signs or the Holy spirit guiding you. Shed the fallen world and re-educate yourself. Honor the Sabbath and keep it holy. Remove all idolatry from your life.
TTT and on a Sunday no less
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It does not want to drop below 2K and stay there. Same with silver and 25.
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We thinking Silver is gonna hang at $25 moving forward?
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It'll spike when First Republic goes into receivership Sunday.
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Red Pear Realty said:

It'll spike when First Republic goes into receivership Sunday.
as in gets bought? The month of May doom n gloom news could very well be banks. More dominoes will fall. Looks like I bought some metals just in time!
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woodiewood1 said:

2wealfth Man said:

Don't know if this impacts anyone's strategy or reasons for holding precious metals but sales of bullion and foreign coins are subject to IRS reporting via a 1099-B. US gold coins are exempt from this reporting (assuming because they are legal currency).
If that was the case, since the Australian silver coins are legal currency, would that not be the same situation?

Here's what I found. "Holdings in gold, silver and other metals, regardless of their formsuch as bullion coins, bullion bars, rare coinage, or ingotsare subject to capital gains tax. The capital gains tax is only owed after the sale of such holdings and if the holdings were held for more than one year.".
Brokers issue Form 1099-B, in fact the name of the form is "Proceeds from Broker and Barter Exchange Transactions." While everyone is aware of that form reporting sales of stocks and bonds and mutual funds, commodities would also be reported if sold through a broker. Having said that, I think I read on the SD Bullion website or the JM Bullion website (if one reports I am sure the other does) that they will report sales on Form 1099-B of some precious metals, depending on the kind and quantity sold. There are various thresholds for reportable sales. Some precious metals are exempt from reporting, like American Eagle coins.

As to your last line about capital gains tax and held for more than a year, if held less than a year it would be a short-term gain, subject to whatever tax bracket you are in, if over a year, then long-term capital gain. But precious metals are not afforded the same maximum capital gain tax rate that stocks, land, etc. get. but carries a maximum capital gains tax rate of 28% rather than 20%.
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woodiewood1 said:

maddiedou said:

I assume you are talking about jm bullion or somebody who buys your bullion commercially

Somebody will reapond but i am pretty sure the two dealers or pawn shops do not send out 1099

If I had somebody ask me to fill out a 1099 I would leave that establishment
Two comments. One, I sure would not want the IRS to come back on me 10 years ago for back taxes and interest on my sales. Two, they don't make you sign a 1099 but they may send you a 1099-K and do send the annual sale totals to the IRS. .

Ebay does the same thing. They won't send you a 1099-K until you reach $600 beginning in 2023 in transactions but they do send your total sales to the IRS, but per the law, you are still obligation to put the sales down as income less your costs on your income tax.


Whether someone gets a 1099 or not, if they are audited and ever put any of their sales proceeds in any bank or brokerage account, that is where they likely will get caught. Depending on the nature of the return, the IRS will request bank and brokerage statements for everyone (both spouses and possibly any children shown in the return) for the year under audit and the January after. They will want to see that every deposit that was made having been reported somewhere in the return or for you to explain why it was not in the return (there could be many valid reasons for it not being in the return, such as a gift, redemption of a CD, etc.).
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Silver up just shy of $1 per ounce this morning
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What a roller coaster this morning!
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Blatant manipulation
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perma Brew doomster said:

Red Pear Realty said:

It'll spike when First Republic goes into receivership Sunday.
as in gets bought? The month of May doom n gloom news could very well be banks. More dominoes will fall. Looks like I bought some metals just in time!
nevermind, I looked it up.

"government receivership" not a good thing!
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Yep
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Nope
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gold and silver threatening to break out to highs here... super bullish if they do. Blue arrows point to volume.



I noticed premiums have already popped on silver and gold I bought a couple weeks ago.
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Someday folks will search through this thread in absolute disbelief and amazement… go get some shiny today while you still can
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jagvocate said:

Someday folks will search through this thread in absolute disbelief and amazement… go get some shiny today while you still can
Can you elaborate on this for any gold newbies out there?
 
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