If nobody had us, Kyle Tucker had us 🫡😠pic.twitter.com/2feWofGieT
— APOLLO MEDIA (@ApolloHOU) December 18, 2024
I'd say not a bad draft
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I'd say not a bad draft
I'm more interested in maximizing return but I don't think that means you have to punt. You can take advantage of other teams desperation to be relevant. That's effectively what the Tucker trade was. Pitchers like Megill from the Mets and Crawford from the Red Sox have good upside with multiple years of control. They aren't Framber but our pitching coaches have worked magic on much less talented guys. If the Mets are resigning Alonso maybe you can get Megill and Vientos for Framber and Melton.
MaxPower said:On trading Framber now vs the deadline, one advantage now is you can get big league guys. Use the Mets as an example. Maybe we get Megill back as part of the package to fill out our rotation. Well, in August he is likely a key part of their rotation and unavailable. Similar to the Tucker trade, no way you are getting Paredes in August as part of that package. Basically in August you are looking at prospects only.Chef Elko said:I think it's wise to see how the season plays out and wait for the trade deadline with FramberFarmer1906 said:Passan: Framber Valdez "a near-lock not to be moved."
— Underdog MLB (@Underdog__MLB) December 19, 2024
Time to table all the Framber trade talk.
Huh? Peredes was traded to the Cubs at the deadline last year.
I don't believe it is conceivable the Astros could win the 2025 World Series without Framber.
I also don't believe the Astros are very likely to win the World Series anytime soon, but I think we can throw our best shot the rest of the Yordan, Altuve, Hunter Brown, Yanier, Pena, Bryan Abreu, Josh Hader window. Maybe we'll get hot and lucky at the end one of these years.
I believe trading Framber now would increase our chances in 2026+, but think we need to hold on to have any shot at all in 2025.
A rotation of Hunter Brown, Spencer Arrighetti, Tylor Megill, Hayden Wesneski, Ronel Blanco is not likely going to do well in consecutive playoff series.
Framber is the best of that group and him going twice in a series gives you a far better shot.
I also don't believe the Astros are very likely to win the World Series anytime soon, but I think we can throw our best shot the rest of the Yordan, Altuve, Hunter Brown, Yanier, Pena, Bryan Abreu, Josh Hader window. Maybe we'll get hot and lucky at the end one of these years.
I believe trading Framber now would increase our chances in 2026+, but think we need to hold on to have any shot at all in 2025.
A rotation of Hunter Brown, Spencer Arrighetti, Tylor Megill, Hayden Wesneski, Ronel Blanco is not likely going to do well in consecutive playoff series.
Framber is the best of that group and him going twice in a series gives you a far better shot.
tylhair said:
I don't believe it is conceivable the Astros could win the 2025 World Series without Framber.
I also don't believe the Astros are very likely to win the World Series anytime soon, but I think we can throw our best shot the rest of the Yordan, Altuve, Hunter Brown, Yanier, Pena, Bryan Abreu, Josh Hader window. Maybe we'll get hot and lucky at the end one of these years.
I believe trading Framber now would increase our chances in 2026+, but think we need to hold on to have any shot at all in 2025.
A rotation of Hunter Brown, Spencer Arrighetti, Tylor Megill, Hayden Wesneski, Ronel Blanco is not likely going to do well in consecutive playoff series.
Framber is the best of that group and him going twice in a series gives you a far better shot.
Depends on the growth of those young players and whether Garcia, McCullers (lol), or Javier can come back healthy/effective.
Still, waiting until the deadline and if we end up having a surplus of pitchers its possible we could trade one of them instead and get an impact player while keeping Framber.
I think it's too risky to trade him now if you want a competitive 2025. It was an acceptable move in Tucker's case.
By a team that was out of contention to another team out of contention. No team out of contention is trading for 2 months of Framber.AggiEE said:MaxPower said:On trading Framber now vs the deadline, one advantage now is you can get big league guys. Use the Mets as an example. Maybe we get Megill back as part of the package to fill out our rotation. Well, in August he is likely a key part of their rotation and unavailable. Similar to the Tucker trade, no way you are getting Paredes in August as part of that package. Basically in August you are looking at prospects only.Chef Elko said:I think it's wise to see how the season plays out and wait for the trade deadline with FramberFarmer1906 said:Passan: Framber Valdez "a near-lock not to be moved."
— Underdog MLB (@Underdog__MLB) December 19, 2024
Time to table all the Framber trade talk.
Huh? Peredes was traded to the Cubs at the deadline last year.
Yeah, too risky.
Hunter Brown is the only starting pitcher who could seemingly supplant Framber as the best pitcher on the team, but I wouldn't bank on it.
If HB and Spencer wake up as Cy Young candidates next year and Javier + LMJ show up pitching at their peak then the Astros will be the best team in the American League.
I don't really see any of that happening.
Hunter Brown is the only starting pitcher who could seemingly supplant Framber as the best pitcher on the team, but I wouldn't bank on it.
If HB and Spencer wake up as Cy Young candidates next year and Javier + LMJ show up pitching at their peak then the Astros will be the best team in the American League.
I don't really see any of that happening.
I could see 1 or two of those happening, but that will just make us relevant and maybe win the West again.
MaxPower said:By a team that was out of contention to another team out of contention. No team out of contention is trading for 2 months of Framber.AggiEE said:MaxPower said:On trading Framber now vs the deadline, one advantage now is you can get big league guys. Use the Mets as an example. Maybe we get Megill back as part of the package to fill out our rotation. Well, in August he is likely a key part of their rotation and unavailable. Similar to the Tucker trade, no way you are getting Paredes in August as part of that package. Basically in August you are looking at prospects only.Chef Elko said:I think it's wise to see how the season plays out and wait for the trade deadline with FramberFarmer1906 said:Passan: Framber Valdez "a near-lock not to be moved."
— Underdog MLB (@Underdog__MLB) December 19, 2024
Time to table all the Framber trade talk.
Huh? Peredes was traded to the Cubs at the deadline last year.
There will be teams in contention that may have different needs where Framber for them would make sense and they could have a surplus of mlb ready talent they don't need
tjack16 said:If nobody had us, Kyle Tucker had us 🫡😠pic.twitter.com/2feWofGieT
— APOLLO MEDIA (@ApolloHOU) December 18, 2024
I'd say not a bad draft
I forgot he was #3
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
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Sources: Josh Naylor has been mentioned in trade talks between the Guardians and Mariners. He’s one of multiple names under consideration by the Mariners for an offensive upgrade at 1B.@MLBNetwork @SeattleSports
— Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) December 19, 2024
Lots of could and maybes there but that's my point. You don't need the stars to align of someone else having exactly what you need at the big league level that they are willing to trade and that team happens to be in contention.
MaxPower said:
Lots of could and maybes there but that's my point. You don't need the stars to align of someone else having exactly what you need at the big league level that they are willing to trade and that team happens to be in contention.
That's true now. Why would teams that want to compete in 2025 trade talent for Tucker? Because they have surpluses elsewhere
But your point is correct, the stars need to be even more aligned at the trade deadline
Sources telling @feinsand and me that the #Phillies and OF Max Kepler are working on a one-year deal, pending a physical. Kepler, 31, has spent entire 10-year career with the Twins.
— Todd Zolecki (@ToddZolecki) December 20, 2024
Outfielder Max Kepler and the Philadlephia Philies are in agreement on a one-year, $10 million contract, sources tell ESPN. The deal, which is pending a physical, will give the Phillies a new corner outfielder in the 31-year-old Kepler. First on the scene: @Feinsand/@ToddZolecki.
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) December 20, 2024
Officially time to move on from Bregman and not let the next tier slip away.
No chance Bregman impacts us signing someone like Kepler. I think 10 M was more than we were willing to spend regardless.
It's 'likely' that Alex Bregman and Corbin Burnes won't sign until after Christmas, per @JeffPassan pic.twitter.com/vchZmy8PL0
— B/R Walk-Off (@BRWalkoff) December 19, 2024
We will see. If we enter this season with this OF then that decision will be idiotic.
Farmer1906 said:
No chance Bregman impacts us signing someone like Kepler. I think 10 M was more than we were willing to spend regardless.
Yeah, Kepler ain't worth $10MM. $6.5-7 max
What exactly do they think will change? They are the best hitter and pitcher respectively on the market. They think an owner is gonna hit the jackpot on the lotto tickets in their stocking stuffers?EastCoastAgNc said:It's 'likely' that Alex Bregman and Corbin Burnes won't sign until after Christmas, per @JeffPassan pic.twitter.com/vchZmy8PL0
— B/R Walk-Off (@BRWalkoff) December 19, 2024
What could the @Astros do after Nolan Arenado reportedly rejected a trade to Houston from St. Louis?
— MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (@MLBNetworkRadio) December 19, 2024
🔗https://t.co/fGPbvbjGlC pic.twitter.com/srBlnYEci2
Well you are personally throwing a fit because you are feeling the pressure of missing out on players.
They are banking on a team/owner feeling the same as you. And then agreeing to pay more.
They are banking on a team/owner feeling the same as you. And then agreeing to pay more.
How does an owner paying more than us for a free agent benefit us? End result is we don't have that player.
TarponChaser said:Farmer1906 said:
No chance Bregman impacts us signing someone like Kepler. I think 10 M was more than we were willing to spend regardless.
Yeah, Kepler ain't worth $10MM. $6.5-7 max
He might be but we're bargain bin shopping.
It is to Bregman and Burnes' benefit to wait and allow the teams to feel pressure.
You said "what do they think will change?"
They think the pressure and anxiety will build and compel teams to pay them the contracts they are looking for.
You said "what do they think will change?"
They think the pressure and anxiety will build and compel teams to pay them the contracts they are looking for.
tylhair said:
It is to Bregman and Burnes' benefit to wait and allow the teams to feel pressure.
You said "what do they think will change?"
They think the pressure and anxiety will build and compel teams to pay them the contracts they are looking for.
Astros relieved a lot of the pressure by getting Peredes. Bregman is nice to have at the right cost, but not a necessity
They should target an OF next. I am not sure why they are insistent on 3B/1B as those positions can be intelligently covered already
tylhair said:
It is to Bregman and Burnes' benefit to wait and allow the teams to feel pressure.
You said "what do they think will change?"
They think the pressure and anxiety will build and compel teams to pay them the contracts they are looking for.
It worked for Matt Chapman and Jordan mintgomery
Yeah sorry, by they I thought you meant the Astros. I think last year proved if you aren't the cream de la crme then teams aren't going to cave and, if anything, it can hurt the player because teams may move on to other free agents and reduce competition.
A's Agree To Deal With Gio Urshela https://t.co/YUfEVX6dnv pic.twitter.com/cL3yomRI3T
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) December 20, 2024
We made our big move to address 3B and the future with Cam Smith. We need more, but I think we can afford to wait and be savvy. I think once teams start spending up their funds, we can make a splash in the trade market. Then pick up the value guys before spring.
sounds good
Would Jim Crane pay Pete Alonso eleventy billion dollars?
Yes, after trading Tucker because he didn't want to pay him
Yes, after trading Tucker because he didn't want to pay him
Bagwell smoking a bowl in his room at the Rice Hotel and texting Crane bad trade ideas has got to be stopped
Alonso 5 years $130M <<< Tucker 10 years $450M
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