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11:36a, 5/3/16
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To me it's a non issue really... we had a perfect opportunity to sink that ball after the non-call. We got the ball and our entire team puckered hard and could do nothing! No idea why Manu didn't drive the basket at the end there. Instead he got cute with a backwards pass to our coldest shooter of the night.

It was bad all the way around. I'd feel differently if OKC got the in-bounds and won the game... but we had the friggin ball in hand and open space to win it. But our worst dribbler got it first and it all went to crap from there.

Time to go win a couple @ OKC!
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11:40a, 5/3/16
This will def spark the Spurs. We badly need Patty to make 3's. When he is on, this team is even harder to beat. I expect a much more aggressive Kawhi on Friday night. He has to be better if we are going to consider him a superstar.
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12:03p, 5/3/16
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Missed calls on both sides. That's the refs fault. Unfortunate it happened in a close game.
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In reply to phatpat21 • 12:53p, 5/3/16
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Yep. I'm more excited for game 3 than I was for game 2.
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In reply to mAgnoliAg • 1:33p, 5/3/16
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A player inbounding the ball may step on, but not over the line. During a designated spot throwin, the player inbounding the ball must keep one foot on or over the three-foot wide designated spot. An inbounding player is allowed to jump or move one or both feet. A player inbounding the ball may move backward as far as the five-second time limit or space allows. If player moves outside the three-foot wide designated spot it is a violation, not travelling. In gymnasiums with limited space outside the sidelines and endlines, a defensive player may be asked to step back no ore than three feet.
You ready to quote the NBA rule book now?


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Section IV-Thrower-in

a. A thrower-in shall not (1) carry the ball onto the court; (2) fail to release the ball within 5 seconds; (3) touch it on the court before it has touched another player; (4) leave the designated throw-in spot; (5) throw the ball so that it enters the basket before touching anyone on the court; (6) step over the boundary line while inbounding the ball; (7) cause the ball to go out-of-bounds without being touched inbounds; (8) leave the playing surface to gain an advantage on a throw-in; (9) hand the ball to a player on the court.
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1:36p, 5/3/16
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Doesn't say you can't elbow the defender to get him out of the way.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 1:39p, 5/3/16
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Wow chill out. Also where in there does it say you can't reach the ball out?
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In reply to Frok • 1:39p, 5/3/16
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Doesn't say you can't elbow the defender to get him out of the way.
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In reply to Frok • 1:56p, 5/3/16
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Doesn't say you can't elbow the defender to get him out of the way.
Deliberately thrown elbow = automatic technical

Mauer seemed to put it under the general offensive foul rule: If an offensive player causes contact with a defensive player who has established a legal position, an offensive foul shall be called and no points may be scored
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2:06p, 5/3/16
Zach Harper breaks it down better than any of us (yes even you Guitarsoup)

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25575595/breakdown-everything-that-went-wrong-on-final-play-of-thunder-spurs

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In reply to Pahdz • 2:13p, 5/3/16
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Zach Harper breaks it down better than any of us (yes even you Guitarsoup)

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25575595/breakdown-everything-that-went-wrong-on-final-play-of-thunder-spurs

I read that and he didn't quite get everything. Before Kawhi grabbed the back of Westbrook's jersey, RW ran out of bounds, which is illegal. Also, if you watch the play, it doesn't seem like the jersey grab slows or impedes RW at all. That pretty much never gets called throughout the game when there is no impeding of the other player, let alone the last play of the game. Just watch Dray Green set a pick and grab jersey or shorts.

I look forward to the dozen page PDF from the NBA about all their missed calls in the next day or so.
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In reply to Pahdz • 2:23p, 5/3/16
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Zach Harper breaks it down better than any of us (yes even you Guitarsoup)

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25575595/breakdown-everything-that-went-wrong-on-final-play-of-thunder-spurs



Reading that reminds me of the Battle of Wits from the Princess Bride.



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2:30p, 5/3/16
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I love all of these BS breakdowns now. There were only 2 extremely easy-to-see and egregious calls that should have been made- the elbow, and the jump-pass. Those were extremely blatant and absolutely should not have been missed unless the ref was biased.
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Guitarsoup
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In reply to BigBrother • 2:41p, 5/3/16
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I love all of these BS breakdowns now. There were only 2 extremely easy-to-see and egregious calls that should have been made- the elbow, and the jump-pass. Those were extremely blatant and absolutely should not have been missed unless the ref was biased.
Agree here. You could make the argument on the Ibaka hold as well. Referee Sean Corbin was directly next to Ibaka under the basket and didn't make the call.

The clock started about a second early based on my really technical stopping and starting a low resolution feed of the play. Maybe clock timer guy assumed that since five seconds had passed, the ball was in bounds

If you look at referee positioning, Marc Davis hands the ball to Waiters and is watching Waiters/Manu.
Sean Corbin was directly across from them when the ball was inbounded and the Green/Durant call would be his.
Ken Mauer was under the Thunder basket, so no one was in the back court, so no one could have seen the Kawhi pull on the jersey as it was away from all three refs.

When the ball went down to the Spurs side, Corbin was under the basket on the far side from where the ball was inbounded (directly next to where LaMarcus/Ibaka were), Davis was at FT line extended out of bounds on the near side (same sideline as where the inbounds came from) and Ken Mauer (head ref for the night and one of the best refs in the NBA) wasn't within 30 feet of the basket when the buzzer sounded.

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2:46p, 5/3/16
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Regardless of all the missed calls. I guarantee Pop would take this situation 100% of the time being down by 1 with 10 seconds left.



Basically a 3 on 1. Great defense played by Adams there but a better pass from Green and that's a layup.
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Pahdz
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2:47p, 5/3/16
You guys are so predictable
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In reply to Pahdz • 2:48p, 5/3/16
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You guys are so predictable
No one is saying that there weren't missed calls both ways.
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2:48p, 5/3/16
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Any fan base would do the same
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In reply to k20dub • 2:50p, 5/3/16
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Really bad pass by Green. Had Manu not been knocked back by Waiters, he is probably a step quicker to the basket and a quick bounce pass by Green and you have Manu with the ball driving to the hoop 2-on-1 with Adams back pedaling. I think Manu is going to finish that or get the assist on an easy lay up the majority of the time. If passing to Patty, that needs to basically be an alley oop that Patty can lay in. Really bad decision by Green.
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2:56p, 5/3/16
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2:58p, 5/3/16
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 3:04p, 5/3/16
Settle, I was joking around.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 3:04p, 5/3/16
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Really bad pass by Green. Had Manu not been knocked back by Waiters, he is probably a step quicker to the basket and a quick bounce pass by Green and you have Manu with the ball driving to the hoop 2-on-1 with Adams back pedaling. I think Manu is going to finish that or get the assist on an easy lay up the majority of the time. If passing to Patty, that needs to basically be an alley oop that Patty can lay in. Really bad decision by Green.
I think, based on what Green could see, the decision wasn't bad, the execution was. I think he was trying to do an alley-oop-ish type of pass, but didn't quite nail it. With Adams as long as he is, any thing like a driven chest or bounce pass could have been knocked away. So, decision probably the better of the ones he could have made based on what's in his eye-line, execution was lacking.

I agree with Manu being taken out of the play some due to the elbow and stumble backwards. No elbow = Manu farther ahead and Green likely has an easier pass to him or Manu for a layup.
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In reply to k20dub • 3:06p, 5/3/16
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Really interesting considering the NBA rules strictly prohibit it.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 3:10p, 5/3/16
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Really interesting considering the NBA rules strictly prohibit it.


Yeah that just confirms the craziness of last night
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In reply to k20dub • 3:25p, 5/3/16
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Basically a 3 on 1. Great defense played by Adams there but a better pass from Green and that's a layup.
yup.
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In reply to k20dub • 3:26p, 5/3/16
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Regardless of all the missed calls. I guarantee Pop would take this situation 100% of the time being down by 1 with 10 seconds left.



Basically a 3 on 1. Great defense played by Adams there but a better pass from Green and that's a layup.
This was my point. You've got the ball in transition with OKC's two best players out of the play. Execute and all the exceptionally putrid officiating is moot.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 5:11p, 5/3/16
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Really interesting considering the NBA rules strictly prohibit it.
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In reply to k20dub • 5:22p, 5/3/16
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Regardless of all the missed calls. I guarantee Pop would take this situation 100% of the time being down by 1 with 10 seconds left.



Basically a 3 on 1. Great defense played by Adams there but a better pass from Green and that's a layup.


Very true, and there are several things which the Suprs could have done differently in that scramble situation, even without getting what appeared to be a foul called by Adams against Patty on the three, to get a much better chance to win the game. But I go back to something I mentioned earlier: where is Manu in that screenshot if he doesn't get pushed back and lose his balance? He's almost certainly a good step or two ahead of where he is, and would be much more likely to be the recipient of the (what would have been easier) pass from Green. Manu with the ball in his hands in that situation is going to result in an easy basket 9 times out of 10.

It's done, but not getting the foul called on the shove isn't the only thing that could have impacted the outcome. The shove itself probably impacted the outcome.
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In reply to Pahdz • 5:25p, 5/3/16
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You guys are so predictable


You have a play that four veteran players and a couple of refs all say was an egregious missed call and something they had never seen before on one hand , and you have some screenshots of run of the mill things that happen on every possession on the other. Man bites dog is a much bigger deal than dog bites man.
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7:25p, 5/3/16
Spurs were very fortunate to have had a Green hit a three, LA hit a three (what?) LA get fouled on a 3 and make all three.

Bottom line is Spurs lost but had a chance to win even without the elbow call - which happened after Ginibili stepped over the line without a delay of game call. Spurs did not score when they should have on a 3 on 1.

More importantly is whether the Spurs can rejuvenate after the tough loss. Duncan and Parker looked worn out. Conversely, OKC looked stronger and are now going home with momentum and the knowledge that they can beat the Spurs.

Obviously, SA needs to win one on the road and needs to reestablish their superiority. What looked like a possible quick series is now going to go seven and I'm wondering whether or not the Old Guard can keep up.
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In reply to Southlake • 8:02p, 5/3/16
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Obviously, SA needs to win one on the road and needs to reestablish their superiority. What looked like a possible quick series is now going to go seven and I'm wondering whether or not the Old Guard can keep up.


Yeah....not falling for that one
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Brian Earl Spilner
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8:05p, 5/3/16
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Thunder played a damn near perfect game by their standards and scraped by by one point.

Spurs are and remain in the drivers seat in this series. Momentum is non-existent with a four day break.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 8:09p, 5/3/16
I wouldn't call it perfect, did you see that lineup Donovan trotted out there with Payne et al that was -173452?
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8:20p, 5/3/16
With all the talented role players they have, I'm not sure why Payne is the guy who gets to touch the ball. His intentions are good but he's a turnover machine.
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