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"On the floor, we did not see a foul on the play," referee Ken Mauer told a pool reporter.

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But how do you not see a foul? The ref was literally right next to the location of the foul with his eyes glued to it because it was his job to count 5 seconds and make sure Ginobili didn't touch Waiters.

I actually like Mauer, but his response doesn't make sense. He was not the one that missed that call, though.

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"On the floor, we did not see a foul on the play," referee Ken Mauer told a pool reporter.

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But how do you not see a foul? The ref was literally right next to the location of the foul with his eyes glued to it because it was his job to count 5 seconds and make sure Ginobili didn't touch Waiters.

I actually like Mauer, but his response doesn't make sense. He was not the one that missed that call, though.

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. Well he can't say "yeah we saw it but Jordan rules, ya know." or "we just didn't know the rules"

Sometimes people just are flat out wrong and screw something up. Who knows what that ref was thinking. His a-hole was probably puckering knowing 5 seconds was about to be up.

Nuts.

Bad loss, but it wasn't because of the final play. We were playing catch up all game long. Grew fight to come back and nice to have won but it wasn't our day. But here is some silver lining, we blew them out g1, OKC played as good as they could g2 and we lost by 1. They will have to continue to play that good the whole series and bank on us playing poorly. Not gonna happened on either instance. Saying that we're about to go on the road but I have to think they shouldn't feel too confident but I hope they do and get blasted at home.

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So the Waiters thing is ridiculous, but a fan prevented Adams from getting back into the play.

Only one mention on here? That is some bush league bull****.

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Adams plows over a fan and she reaches up from the ground and grabs his arm. You can't tell from the video if she's doing it on purpose or just grasping for help.

Besides, he was allowed to truck Mills after his shot with no call.

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As a Rockets fan I agree that looks like no big deal. She got bowled over by Adams and she responded by trying to get back up. It's not like he was involved in the play anyway at that point.

Ugh, just when I thought we could get through a series between these two without some controversial crap, here we are. Waiters is a bonehead, but apparently there is video of Ginobli stepping on the line (again, what's the call, does he have to be OVER the line? I don't know). Sorry if it's been discussed already. Oh well, the Thunder certainly didn't deserve to win after that and Ibaka's idiotic foul on Aldridge (but he probably woulda made that 3 anyway since they can't miss this series) but I'll take it.

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I know it's just one game but I'm feeling pretty good about my Spurs in 5 pick on the bracket.

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I take it you didn't learn anything about Karma and curses from the Hornets in 6 comment in the bracket challenge thread?

If the Thunder win game 2, this was the post that changed the series.

Texags karma curses are that strong.

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Don't blame the refs, blame Brian.


And the fact that the Spurs were missing layups to start the game.

I swear Duncan, Kawhi, and LA missed 5-6 open in the 1st looks that they normally make 100% of the time.
Duncan, Kawhi, Parker, and Green go 14-46, and I don't think that happens again.




The Spurs make other teams work so hard on offense, and get such good looks on offense. I don't think the outcome of the series will change.

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How many violations can an inbounder make on a single inbound without it getting called?

1. brings ball across the line without passing
2. clears out Ginobili
3. five second violation
4. jumped up to throw it

Did I miss any?

Also, while he was attempting to inbound, Westbrook was running out of bounds.

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Didn't look like 5 seconds and you're allowed to jump up to pass it in. I also don't think your number 1 is a violation but I could be wrong. 2 still stands though.

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How many violations can an inbounder make on a single inbound without it getting called?

1. brings ball across the line without passing
2. clears out Ginobili
3. five second violation
4. jumped up to throw it

Did I miss any?

Also, while he was attempting to inbound, Westbrook was running out of bounds.

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Didn't look like 5 seconds and you're allowed to jump up to pass it in. I also don't think your number 1 is a violation but I could be wrong. 2 still stands though.

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Go read the rule book, Maggie. He can't let to ball cross the plane without paying and he can't leave his feet to pass the ball.

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Have we figured out exactly what it should have been?

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Five second violation before any contact happened.

Ignore the five second violation turnovers and the contact is a technical. Spurs should have had a FT+ball.


Kenny, Shaq and Chuck are still debating it. None of them have seen anything like that.

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According to Mauer last night, it would be Spurs possession, not free throws....which ultimately they ended up with anyway in a better position than had the offensive foul been called.

Did the Spurs still have a timeout?

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It's weird because I feel about as confident as I would if the Spurs were up 2-0. Cause I really thought OKC would be no worse than down 2-1 headed to game 4. I think the Spurs will roll them if they can put together 4 quarters.

Then they still get a shot at the knockout blow in game 4. You'd hope the NBA is going to assign the most Spurs friendly officials in history to game 3 anyway. Just to have some semblance of decency.

It would've been nice to have this game as an extra mulligan but the Spurs need a sharp game again soon if they're going to generate any rhythm toward something more meaningful than a deep playoff exit.

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Oddy, I feel the same. I'm still confident we win the series, and I'm sort of glad that we finally got a good, legit playoff game, cause so far it had been easy street. I feel like the teams needs a loss sometimes to refocus and keep that intensity where it needs to be.

Would I have loved to pull that win out at the last second? Sure. But I still think the series goes no further than six games at worst. Spurs are a much better team and will adjust after this loss even better than the Thunder did.

Series is 1-1. Move on. Let's focus on game 3

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Don't blame the refs, blame Brian.

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Oh sure, blame the guy that's been right 90% of the time this playoffs.

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Have we figured out exactly what it should have been?

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Five second violation before any contact happened.

Ignore the five second violation turnovers and the contact is a technical. Spurs should have had a FT+ball.


Kenny, Shaq and Chuck are still debating it. None of them have seen anything like that.

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According to Mauer last night, it would be Spurs possession, not free throws....which ultimately they ended up with anyway in a better position than had the offensive foul been called.

Did the Spurs still have a timeout?

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Depends how they called it - and I think there were several ways to call it.

Barkley/Webber/Shaq/Ernie said it could be a technical. If a player crosses the plane to make contact with another player on the inbound, it is a technical. If they had seen Manu cross the line, it is a technical, though an inadvertent touch of the line away from the player (not right in his face) is rarely called.

Either way, if there was a turnover, the Spurs could have subbed in their studs (Patty Mills does not count) and had a play set to go with 10+ seconds.

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How many violations can an inbounder make on a single inbound without it getting called?

1. brings ball across the line without passing
2. clears out Ginobili
3. five second violation
4. jumped up to throw it

Did I miss any?

Also, while he was attempting to inbound, Westbrook was running out of bounds.

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Didn't look like 5 seconds and you're allowed to jump up to pass it in. I also don't think your number 1 is a violation but I could be wrong. 2 still stands though.

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Go read the rule book, Maggie. He can't let to ball cross the plane without paying and he can't leave his feet to pass the ball.

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He definitely can leave his feet to pass the ball in. You just have to stay on or over the 3 ft wide box and you can move backwards or forwards as much as you want.

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Sorry, Maggie. You are wrong.

Yeah, I actually think the bigger impact of the inbounds play on the outcome of the game might have been the effect on Ginobili. If Ginobili isn't knocked off balance he probably is a split second further ahead of Green once he secures the ball, and more into Green's vision, which probably results in Green passing to Manu. If Manu gets the pass there instead of Mills, it's an easier pass and Manu is either going to get the layup or draw Adams to him and dish to Mills or back to Greem for an almost certain basket.

It's over and time to move on. Just wish it wasn't such a long wait.

I wonder what Steven Adams could develop into if he was on a team where they actually used their low post players in the offense. Is this the best fit for him, just the dirty work muscle guy who pops out double doubles, or could he potentially grow some sort of offensive back to the basket game? I'm not sure if he has that in him.

Couple thoughts on moving forward.

Barkley was on Mike n Mike and said he had a conversation where someone pointed out that they may not want to change how their guarding Aldridge. When was the last time you saw the Spurs so dependent on 1 person touching the ball every time down the floor. Spurs are extremely reliant on Aldridge right now and it may be breaking up the rhythm of the other players.

How bad would we crucify another star player if they showed up and had a 14 and 7 night? I thought it was a really bad performance by Kawhi last night. If you're going to be a star you can't disappear like that. He's done this in past years and it seems like we always lose when he does.

Looks like OKC is going to work the pick and roll all series moving forward. For Durant its a real pick and roll, and Ibaka can hit that free throw wide open jumper every single time. Its a very difficult play to guard with Durant being so tall he's almost 100% if you let him get his shot off that close as well.
With Westbrook running it, its usually a screen to get the switch and make a big man step out to guard it.
It will be interesting to see if the Spurs have a different way to cover it in game 3.

Id like to see some Boban. Adams and Kanter are good tough inside players. They give Duncan fits, especially with Duncan unable to get more than 3" off the floor for a rebound. They basically hold you down. Boban would eliminate that issue to some degree, the question is what do you give up with him out there for serious minutes?

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I wonder what Steven Adams could develop into if he was on a team where they actually used their low post players in the offense. Is this the best fit for him, just the dirty work muscle guy who pops out double doubles, or could he potentially grow some sort of offensive back to the basket game? I'm not sure if he has that in him.

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I felt the same on Ibaka the last few years.

I do think Adams continues to improve offensively.

I think both end up becoming disinterested, for lack of better term, on offense because they can go minutes without touching the ball unless they get a rebound. It not only carries over during the game, but probably when you work on it in practice. Why do it if you are only a screener and pop guy?


"I'm gonna tell you the truth, it's hard sometimes when you play hard, you play you're ass off" Ibaka swore, before apologizing and rephrasing. "You play so hard on defense, then you come to offense and you're going to be out there in the corner for 4, 5, 6, sometimes 8 minutes and you don't touch the ball. We human, man. It's hard."

A player inbounding the ball may step on, but not over the line. During a designated spot throwin, the player inbounding the ball must keep one foot on or over the three-foot wide designated spot. An inbounding player is allowed to jump or move one or both feet. A player inbounding the ball may move backward as far as the five-second time limit or space allows. If player moves outside the three-foot wide designated spot it is a violation, not travelling. In gymnasiums with limited space outside the sidelines and endlines, a defensive player may be asked to step back no ore than three feet.

Is that a quote from the NBA rule book?

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Says the choke city fan trolling the Spurs thread.

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You realize this is a series thread and that 5-6 Spurs fans were trolling the Rockets season thread during our first round, right? Just making sure.

Including yourself, IIRC.

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Were the Spurs eliminated at the time?

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Says the choke city fan trolling the Spurs thread.

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You realize this is a series thread and that 5-6 Spurs fans were trolling the Rockets season thread during our first round, right? Just making sure.

Including yourself, IIRC.

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Were the Spurs eliminated at the time?

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Even more reason for us Rockets fans to be here. We have no team to root for.

Well, you're not wrong.

A lot of bad officiating there at the end but I was hoping for a little bit better execution from the Spurs on offense. I still think they get it done in 5/6 games. If anything this will spark a little more "enthusiasm" for game three.

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Says the choke city fan trolling the Spurs thread.

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That's pretty rich coming from a guy who spent the entire Rockets-Warriors series trolling the Rockets season thread.

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So the Waiters thing is ridiculous, but a fan prevented Adams from getting back into the play.

Only one mention on here? That is some bush league bull****.

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You realize they froze the screen, right? It's not like she was yanking him down for 3 or 4 seconds. She held on for less than a second in real time, after getting knocked over. Probably just trying to pull herself up.