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That looked like it was some time after the event started. It sounds like they may have both been shot already, the police just didn't know it.

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Boo Weekley said:

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A little confused...did that vid start recording just after the shootout?

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Records show the cause of death for both Nicholas and Tuttle was multiple gunshot wounds.

The report for Nicholas shows the 58-year-old suffered two gunshot wounds, with one shot to the chest and one to the thigh. Additional wounds on her right thigh and right leg were noted as the result of possible bullet fragments.

Dennis Tuttle was shot up to nine times. Tuttle suffered wounds to the head, neck, buttocks, wrist and hand.

The report also lists the results of some tests. Nicholas' autopsy revealed the presence of Benzoylecgonine, which is a metabolite associated with cocaine. Blood tests conducted on Dennis Tuttle revealed the presence of cannabis in his system.

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A four-day independent forensics review at 7815 Harding Street found a cache of evidence left behind by the city's crime scene teams after a botched drug raid at the home left dead a couple suspected of selling drugs.

Hired by the relatives of Rhogena Nicholas and Dennis Tuttle, the new forensics team found no signs the pair fired shots at police and plenty of signs that previous investigators overlooked dozens of pieces of potential evidence in what one expert called a "sloppy" investigation.

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"The initial bullet trajectories appear to be somewhat contradictory," said Louisiana-based attorney Chuck Bourque, who is also representing the Nicholas family. "We see no evidence that anybody inside the house was firing toward the door."

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Among that evidence was nearly a dozen .223- and .45-caliber bullets Maloney and Doyle believe came from police guns. Typically, Tuttle kept four of the guns he owned locked up in a bedroom safe as family heirlooms, Doyle said.

He usually kept a loaded .357 Magnum by his bedside. That was the weapon police initially said he fired in the shoot-out, though it's not clear what happened to the gun afterward. It was not cataloged in the only search warrant return that has been publicly released.

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Maloney's team found no indication that any of the guns Tuttle owned were fired toward the front of the house at incoming police. The Houston Police Department has not released the results of any ballistics testing and has not specified which guns were fired in the exchange.

In the puddle where Tuttle died after he was shot at least eight times, Maloney found what appear to be two human teeth. An autopsy report showed he'd been shot in the jaw.

Tossed aside in a pile of clothes in the dining room, Maloney and his team found a man's shirt with bullet holes and official evidence markers. It wasn't bloody, so there's no reason to believe Tuttle was wearing it at the time. But, for reasons that are unclear, authorities tagged it as evidence and left it behind at the scene.

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"How many people have been convicted over the years as a result of sloppy investigations which failed to collect evidence that was there that would have exonerated the suspect?" he said. "If they do it in this kind of a homicide case, what do they do in other kinds of investigations?"

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And police said that Tuttle started firing at them, but Maloney's team did not find clear evidence of that.

"The initial bullet trajectories appear to be somewhat contradictory," said Louisiana-based attorney Chuck Bourque, who is also representing the Nicholas family. "We see no evidence that anybody inside the house was firing toward the door."

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BBRex said:

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That's some fine shootin' with a wheel gun. Four for four on four different targets in a high-stress gunfight. If he had survived, he could be teaching HPD how to handle a firearm.

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Guitarsoup said:

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And police said that Tuttle started firing at them, but Maloney's team did not find clear evidence of that.

"The initial bullet trajectories appear to be somewhat contradictory," said Louisiana-based attorney Chuck Bourque, who is also representing the Nicholas family. "We see no evidence that anybody inside the house was firing toward the door."

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If Tuttle hit the cops, and with how obviously dirty they were, I hope to hell he did, there wouldn't necessarily be signs of the .357s in the walls or anything like that. Four cops were shot and that .357 probably was a 6-shooter. He may not have missed.

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IrishTxAggie said:

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Whoa, Whoa, Whoa!!! They don't have the .357 that they say he used to shoot at the police?!?!? WTF!!!

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It says it was not catalogued in the only public search warrant, not that the police don't have it.

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Guitarsoup said:

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And police said that Tuttle started firing at them, but Maloney's team did not find clear evidence of that.

"The initial bullet trajectories appear to be somewhat contradictory," said Louisiana-based attorney Chuck Bourque, who is also representing the Nicholas family. "We see no evidence that anybody inside the house was firing toward the door."

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If Tuttle hit the cops, and with how obviously dirty they were, I hope to hell he did, there wouldn't necessarily be signs of the .357s in the walls or anything like that. Four cops were shot and that .357 probably was a 6-shooter. He may not have missed.

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Depends on a lot of factors such as where he hit the LEO's (body armor and/or bone structure) and the type of projectile he had loaded, but a .357 at close range is going to be a through and through on any soft tissue.

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Guitarsoup said:

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I doubt more than one cop was friendly fire unless it was a full on Training Day situation.

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I honestly think it's not far from this.

From the bogus warrant to the no knock entry to now the shady evidence collection.

I mean would it surprise anyone if we found the warrant was just a take out Chinese menu they waived around?

Seriously though a bullet riddled shirt that wasn't bloody with evidence markers on it. WTF?

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