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12:26p, 1/29/19
So did their neighbors call the cops on them because they were selling dope, or because they weren't Mexican?

Serious question.

In the part of town I'd be willing to be bet illegal drugs can be found in 75% of the houses.

Also did anyone catch Art already drumming up politicians saying this is a gun violence problem we have on our hands?
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In reply to aTm2004 • 12:31p, 1/29/19
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aTm2004 said:
. . . said:

If they drove a '84 C10 I wouldn't be surprised.


How would one go about procuring said 84 C10 that has been seized and is now looking for a forever home?
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aTm2004 said:
WES2006AG said:
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brs4688 said:
Over/under on how many Hollywood liberals do not call for more gun laws after 5 cops are shot.

I will laugh my ass off if they're illegals. Trump will have a field day with that and the wall.

God, I can't believe I just typed that. Sad.
Sorry you were disappointed.

Not disappointed. Glad you're celebrating though.
Nobody is celebrating anything here. Your inability to separate the the events of yesterday from Don's possible narrative show that you may be a need to take a step back from politics.
Then why come on the thread to say what you said?
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In reply to AustinCountyAg • 12:39p, 1/29/19
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In the part of town I'd be willing to be bet illegal drugs can be found in 75% of the houses.

I'd take that bet and make a boatload of money off of your ignorance.
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12:42p, 1/29/19
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12:49p, 1/29/19
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I'll bet he didn't tag that redfish. He also looks like he could noodle a few catfish.

So which narrative will win out? The "another crazy white person with a gun" or the "see? It isn't just black guys getting killed by cops".

And I'm not sure I totally got what was argued above - did someone suggest that serving a warrant on a known drug den is taking away citizens' liberties because of enabling by the federal government? Tell me I read it wrong.
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In reply to AustinCountyAg • 12:51p, 1/29/19
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AustinCountyAg said:
So did their neighbors call the cops on them because they were selling dope, or because they weren't Mexican?

Serious question.

In the part of town I'd be willing to be bet illegal drugs can be found in 75% of the houses.

Also did anyone catch Art already drumming up politicians saying this is a gun violence problem we have on our hands?
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Two 12 gauge shotguns, one 20 gauge shotgun, one .22 rifle, a Remington 700
I'm sure Art thinks that nobody should be allowed to own a gun, except the police. Again why couldn't these guys been taken down outside of the house.
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12:53p, 1/29/19
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Art said in the press conference last night it was semi-auto pistols.

That's not the case?
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In reply to BQ_90 • 12:57p, 1/29/19
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Are you talking about Art Rascone? Ron Trevino has a face that pisses me off and makes me want to punch it for some reason. I really can't tell you why because he hasn't done anything to warrant it. I need to try to direct that anger to Art.
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In reply to Ducks4brkfast • 12:59p, 1/29/19
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Ducks4brkfast said:
Art said in the press conference last night it was semi-auto pistols.

That's not the case?
I'm going off this post in the politics board thread

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Rapier108

10:24a


From the press conference.

First officer entering was armed with a shotgun.

He was attacked by a pitbull which he shot and killed.

First suspect opened fire with a .357 magnum, striking the first officer. A female suspect went for the dropped shotgun, and the other officers shot and killed her. The rest was a gunfight between the first suspect and the officers.

First officer is 54, and has been shot 3 times in the line of duty, first in 1992 and again in 1997 before yesterday.

One officer they the family has asked nothing be released, but from the chief's comments, it sounds like this officer's condition is the most serious.

There are no body cameras.

The people in the house were Rhogena Nicolas, 58, white female and Dennis Tuttle, 59 white male.

They did not discuss their criminal history if any.

Found in the house
Weed
White powder (likely either cocaine or fentanyl)
Two 12 gauge shotguns, one 20 gauge shotgun, one .22 rifle, a Remington 700

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1:00p, 1/29/19
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3rd time to get shot? Sounds like it's time to collect that pension and began traveling.
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1:08p, 1/29/19
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This sounds like the raid in Point Break.
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1:32p, 1/29/19
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In reply to drumboy • 1:37p, 1/29/19
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How long were you in for?
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2:33p, 1/29/19
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I'm sure Art thinks that nobody should be allowed to own a gun, except the police.

If you have heard what Art has said in the past about guns and gun control, that is not far from the truth.
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In reply to BQ_90 • 2:34p, 1/29/19
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BQ_90 said:

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Found in the house

Two 12 gauge shotguns, one 20 gauge shotgun, one .22 rifle, a Remington 700

that's not much of an arsenal. Although they excluded the 357 magnum he was shooting at the cops

Hard to believe no semi-auto pistols - guy was an old school dealer, not the new breed. I bet he didn't even turn the 357 sideways when he shot.
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2:40p, 1/29/19
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While watching the channel 2 coverage last night, Bill said multiple times that because of the situation this had to be a semi-auto gun. Then said it had to be a semi-auto long rifle. He said it was impossible to do this type of damage with anything else. Cops are too smart to that (his words).

I just don't understand why people feel like they have to insert their opinions on every news peace. Just report the facts, we don't need you to fill airtime with your thoughts or conclusions.
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2:44p, 1/29/19
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https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/she-went-for-his-shotgun-suspects-killed-in-shootout-with-houston-police-identified/285-2db90d06-24bd-4059-919c-d7d425bc9070

Dennis Tuttle and Rhogena Nicholas were the shooters.

"[HPD Chief Acevedo] said the narcotics officers, a group of 15, arrived at the home on Harding Street. Upon making entry, they "immediately came under fire."
"The first officer through the door, armed with a shotgun, was charged immediately by a very large pit bull," said Acevedo. "The officer discharged rounds, and we know the dog was struck and killed."
At the same time, a male suspect identified as Tuttle, came from the back of the home and opened fire with a .357 Magnum revolver.
"That officer was struck in the shoulder. He went down, fell on the sofa in the living room, at which time a female suspect went towards that officer, reached over the officer and started making a move for his shotgun."
That's when backup officers also made entry and opened fire, killing the female suspect. An exchange of gunfire continued with the male suspect.
Other officers laid down cover fire and they all "heroically pulled their fellow officers out of harm's way."
"And then we all know what happened between Life Flight, EMS, Houston police where we escorted everybody here either by ambulance or by helicopter," said Acevedo."

Wow. Crazy stuff.
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In reply to htxag09 • 2:46p, 1/29/19
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htxag09 said:
While watching the channel 2 coverage last night, Bill said multiple times that because of the situation this had to be a semi-auto gun. Then said it had to be a semi-auto long rifle. He said it was impossible to do this type of damage with anything else. Cops are too smart to that (his words).

I just don't understand why people feel like they have to insert their opinions on every news peace. Just report the facts, we don't need you to fill airtime with your thoughts or conclusions.
I heard this as well and it was really odd. the type of gun is going to come out eventually so the speculation just seemed completely uncalled for.
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3:00p, 1/29/19
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I just don't understand why people feel like they have to insert their opinions on every news peace. Just report the facts, we don't need you to fill airtime with your thoughts or conclusions.
Unfortunately they have lots of airtime to fill ... and not many facts were known at the time.

At least he is better than Art Rascon. (I know that bar isn't particularly high.)
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3:48p, 1/29/19
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If this was a no-knock raid, the police need to be held liable for ALL the deaths and injuries here. I don't care if the cops were undercover. If they're serving a warrant, they need to have body cams and they need to be on. Without the cameras, we can't be sure what the truth is. Cops have lied before and the burden of proof needs to lie with the people that taxpayers are funding to enforce the law.
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In reply to sangredevino • 4:09p, 1/29/19
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Right on the delay. My point is why politicize this? It doesn't matter if these folks were green or legally in the country. They would still be trash.
In a perfect world, sure this is accurate.

But anybody with an IQ over about 3 knows that any type of shooting like this is going to get politicized almost instantly. Happens every time, like clockwork - from both sides.

Because you can bet everything you own right now that the anti-gun side is clamoring to dig up any information they can to bolster their stupid cause, and they will literally jizz themselves multiple times over if it turns out this guy was an NRA member at any point in his entire life. Or if he was a registered republican, and we'll know in a day or two whether he voted for Trump or not and somehow that will be brought into the political discussion.

The right was hoping that it would be an illegal, because that would (in their mind) give them political ammo.

Don't act surprised or shocked that anything like this ultimately becomes a political tool. Or that there is discussion about it.
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agnerd said:
If this was a no-knock raid, the police need to be held liable for ALL the deaths and injuries here. I don't care if the cops were undercover. If they're serving a warrant, they need to have body cams and they need to be on. Without the cameras, we can't be sure what the truth is. Cops have lied before and the burden of proof needs to lie with the people that taxpayers are funding to enforce the law.
Undercover agents had bought heroin from the suspects on multiple occasions. What world do you live in? What do you think happened? Sunken cheek lady and Joe Dirt were just minding their own business reading the Bible and suddenly these nasty cops broke in and killed them?

Yeah, in hindsight, the raid could have been done differently. But the only bad guys in this story are the two dead drug dealers.

What happened to the Blue Lives matter slogan? Passe already?
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agnerd said:
If this was a no-knock raid, the police need to be held liable for ALL the deaths and injuries here. I don't care if the cops were undercover. If they're serving a warrant, they need to have body cams and they need to be on. Without the cameras, we can't be sure what the truth is. Cops have lied before and the burden of proof needs to lie with the people that taxpayers are funding to enforce the law.
So in an instance of incomplete information you are siding with the drug dealers over the police officers?

You're part of the problem with society. They need to be given a parade, not a trial.
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In reply to sangredevino • 4:20p, 1/29/19
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sangredevino said:
Right on the delay. My point is why politicize this? It doesn't matter if these folks were green or legally in the country. They would still be trash.
In a perfect world, sure this is accurate.

But anybody with an IQ over about 3 knows that any type of shooting like this is going to get politicized almost instantly. Happens every time, like clockwork - from both sides.

Because you can bet everything you own right now that the anti-gun side is clamoring to dig up any information they can to bolster their stupid cause, and they will literally jizz themselves multiple times over if it turns out this guy was an NRA member at any point in his entire life. Or if he was a registered republican, and we'll know in a day or two whether he voted for Trump or not and somehow that will be brought into the political discussion.

The right was hoping that it would be an illegal, because that would (in their mind) give them political ammo.

Don't act surprised or shocked that anything like this ultimately becomes a political tool. Or that there is discussion about it.
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In reply to agnerd • 4:30p, 1/29/19
agnerd said:
If this was a no-knock raid, the police need to be held liable for ALL the deaths and injuries here. I don't care if the cops were undercover. If they're serving a warrant, they need to have body cams and they need to be on. Without the cameras, we can't be sure what the truth is. Cops have lied before and the burden of proof needs to lie with the people that taxpayers are funding to enforce the law.


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The Milkman said:
agnerd said:
If this was a no-knock raid, the police need to be held liable for ALL the deaths and injuries here. I don't care if the cops were undercover. If they're serving a warrant, they need to have body cams and they need to be on. Without the cameras, we can't be sure what the truth is. Cops have lied before and the burden of proof needs to lie with the people that taxpayers are funding to enforce the law.
So in an instance of incomplete information you are siding with the drug dealers over the police officers?

You're part of the problem with society. They need to be given a parade, not a trial.
If this is a no-knock raid, yes I am siding with the drug dealers over the loss of life and injuries. If the cops announced their presence, I 100% support the cops. If a thug that doesn't have a badge on busts down my door and shoots my dog, I'm going to shoot them, and the castle doctrine gives me the legal right to do that. If the cops don't like that, they're free to show up at my house and either knock on the door or announce their presence over their loudspeaker and instruct me to come outside with my hands up and then act appropriately if I don't comply.
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The Milkman said:
agnerd said:
If this was a no-knock raid, the police need to be held liable for ALL the deaths and injuries here. I don't care if the cops were undercover. If they're serving a warrant, they need to have body cams and they need to be on. Without the cameras, we can't be sure what the truth is. Cops have lied before and the burden of proof needs to lie with the people that taxpayers are funding to enforce the law.
So in an instance of incomplete information you are siding with the drug dealers over the police officers?

You're part of the problem with society. They need to be given a parade, not a trial.
I'm not a particular fan of no-knock raids outside of extreme circumstances, especially when it is highly likely that you can arrest the suspects without gunfire most of the time.

Almost everybody - good guys and bad guys - have routines, and it's not hard to pattern said routine to determine when the best time to make an arrest is. 99.99999% of the time the best time isn't when they are at home and capable of defending themselves.
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AustinCountyAg said:
So did their neighbors call the cops on them because they were selling dope, or because they weren't Mexican?

Serious question.

In the part of town I'd be willing to be bet illegal drugs can be found in 75% of the houses.

Also did anyone catch Art already drumming up politicians saying this is a gun violence problem we have on our hands?


What's your experience in that area? Or are you living out in ****in' Bellville believing anywhere inside the loop is automatically "ghetto"?
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Define extreme circumstances.
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The Milkman said:
agnerd said:
If this was a no-knock raid, the police need to be held liable for ALL the deaths and injuries here. I don't care if the cops were undercover. If they're serving a warrant, they need to have body cams and they need to be on. Without the cameras, we can't be sure what the truth is. Cops have lied before and the burden of proof needs to lie with the people that taxpayers are funding to enforce the law.
So in an instance of incomplete information you are siding with the drug dealers over the police officers?

You're part of the problem with society. They need to be given a parade, not a trial.


Considering how things ended up, there's only one side to the story we will ever hear. So, the story could be whatever they want it to be.

Camera footage could be used for training purposes as well as in court.
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In reply to The Milkman • 6:49p, 1/29/19
Believing that cops can do whatever they want, whenever they want and glorifying them regardless of the situation is more problematic to society.
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In reply to Stringfellow Hawke • 8:08p, 1/29/19
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Immediate threat to life, legitimate potential that evidence that is necessary will be destroyed or if there is no possibility of means other than raids/no knocks.

The overwhelming majority of the time you,can patteen the individual and find a place and time that is much less risk to life than breaking doors at a place they are potentially prepared for defense at.
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BowSowy said:
AustinCountyAg said:
So did their neighbors call the cops on them because they were selling dope, or because they weren't Mexican?

Serious question.

In the part of town I'd be willing to be bet illegal drugs can be found in 75% of the houses.

Also did anyone catch Art already drumming up politicians saying this is a gun violence problem we have on our hands?


What's your experience in that area? Or are you living out in ****in' Bellville believing anywhere inside the loop is automatically "ghetto"?


Pecan Park isnt exactly Bellaire or hoity-toity these days.

It isnt exactly Sunnyside or South Houston, but lets not pretend it is a place youbrecommend you take the kids on any random street for an evening walk.
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