Chrystia Freeland is Vladimir Zelenskyy’s senior adviser. She’s in Kiev.

Why is she making the media rounds attacking Donald Trump? pic.twitter.com/e4aFNZdwtt

— Ezra Levant 🍁🚛 (@ezralevant) August 23, 2026

Her grandfather was literally a genocidal Ukrainian nazi. And somehow she is a contender to some day replace Carney, while back in her homeland as a senior advisor blasting our President. What a wild world.

“Effectively, we're out of business. We can try to find more Canadian market share, but if many other beekeepers are trying to do the same, it may be a race to the bottom,"

The belief that we can “be our own best customers” is a lie drummed up by people who are unaffected by… pic.twitter.com/rJh74KhBtd

— Ryan Gerritsen🇨🇦🇳🇱 (@ryangerritsen) August 23, 2026

Vestal_Flame said:

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I've tried to make rational economic arguments about this thread, but the truth is that my real opinions are a LOT darker. If I'm China, and I plan to take Taiwan by amphibious assault, I need to kill not less than 200k Americans, Japanese, Philippinos, Australians, and South Koreans on the first day. I will probably target carrier battle groups with nuclear weapons, and I might take out some place like Guam with a nuke, as well.

I want Canada to be doing their damnedest to stop that killing. We're not doing ourselves any favors when we alienate the people who are between us and our enemies.

I wouldn't treat my beagle the way that Trump is treating Carney. Carney and the beagle are sleeping between me and the door. They should be treated with respect. The man who can't respect the sentry should sleep lightly.

If you start from the assumption that we are about to fight the ChiComs on the other side of the Pacific, your estimation of "reasonable foreign policy" changes in a hurry.

Trade is subordinate to the war that I fully believe to be coming.

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With what? Canada is barely a speed bump in some actual Red Dawn attack. They have <100k soldiers and <100 combat aircraft and almost everyone is holed up in 3 cities.

If China actually tried to attack us via Canada, they won't be doing anything but watching our guys fly over them and shoot around and over them to hit the Chinese. The best thing about Canada being a hinderance for an invasion is its geography; not its actual people. We would use Canada as a physical buffer and whatever resources they have would get used up in probably days 1-3.

Never mind what we have in Alaska and what we are adding to Greenland that would engage before China got to Canada. Canada is a bedroom community of the USA and enjoy the passive benefits of such an arrangement.

The discussion on this thread is interesting.

Pearl clutching over their airspace and their economy. And truthfully, it makes zero sense.

You think Canada can stop us from defending ourselves over their air space? In what world? We are their defense, and they absolutely know it. And most appreciate it greatly.

I've been to Canada many times (including this year), and do a lot of work with Canadian companies.

The current negotiations might be our government vs theirs...but their government's attitude is not representative of their people as a whole. Most Canadians I talk to are fed up with their own government, and understand their relationship with the U.S. They understand they are reliant on us, whether they like it or not. Unless they're from QC, they typically side with Trump and his actions. It's why provinces are putting forward serious secession measures.

Is the thought to allow them to take advantage of US market place and our producers, because their GDP is small (ie. the juice is not worth the squeeze)? What type of message does that send to those who are bigger, or those who have capitulated?

I'm not sure what the defense of Carney is on this thread. He's the epitome of 'cutting of your nose to spite your face' and the majority of the Canadian populace knows it.

We do benefit from them being our partners. But a partnership cannot be one-way.

Oh Canada, you just got poked in the syrup hole with a spiky maple branch. Ouch.

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If China opens with nuclear weapons the world will be done. Retaliatory strikes will end with full exchanges.

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I tend to agree, but I might try it … as a tactical strike against a naval target at sea. The distinction between tactical and strategic use of nuclear weapons is a distinction that exists only in the mind of amateurs. I am an amateur. The danger lies in the fact that China's officer corps is completely staffed with amateurs whose most significant engagement was the use of armor against a crowd of civilians.

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China, who has shown practically zero empire building tendencies outside their mostly unsuccessful and unsustainable Belt & Road program. They would more likely "nuke" their population if things got unstable internally. They have been around in some form or fashion for 4,000 years - and suddenly they are going to choose to end the world? They are not radical muslims.

China's military has no experience because they don't do much externally - see previous paragraph - including popping a nuke against a foreign vessel at sea. China is arsehole paper tiger that tends to fold when challenged. Ad in Xi being at the end of his self life and ever weakening internal conditions and his PLA shakeups, and the thread from China is waning, not growing.

Trump understands this and is acting accordingly.

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The discussion on this thread is interesting.

Pearl clutching over their airspace and their economy. And truthfully, it makes zero sense.

You think Canada can stop us from defending ourselves over their air space? In what world? We are their defense, and they absolutely know it. And most appreciate it greatly.

I've been to Canada many times (including this year), and do a lot of work with Canadian companies.

The current negotiations might be our government vs theirs...but their government's attitude is not representative of their people as a whole. Most Canadians I talk to are fed up with their own government, and understand their relationship with the U.S. They understand they are reliant on us, whether they like it or not. Unless they're from QC, they typically side with Trump and his actions. It's why provinces are putting forward serious secession measures.

Is the thought to allow them to take advantage of US market place and our producers, because their GDP is small (ie. the juice is not worth the squeeze)? What type of message does that send to those who are bigger, or those who have capitulated?

I'm not sure what the defense of Carney is on this thread. He's the epitome of 'cutting of your nose to spite your face' and the majority of the Canadian populace knows it.

We do benefit from them being our partners. But a partnership cannot be one-way.

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Do the Canadians you know support this?

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Ford noted his understanding that Washington sought provisions late in the talks that would have restricted Canada's freedom to conclude trade pacts with other nations without U.S. consent. Carney has called that requirement unacceptable and an infringement on Canadian sovereignty.

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No self-respecting Canadian could agree to this. Of course, I grant you that there may be many that no respect for themselves and their country.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/doug-ford-trump-trade-reagan-b3038268.html

I cant speak for them, but I will say that most understand their position in this sphere. There are a lot of things they have to give up, for the right to protection and trade.

That's not unusual though. It goes back to NAALC, NAFTA, USMCA...as well as other negotiations prior. In the past it was disguised as 'domestic good' regulations, whereas the majority of the goods had to be domestic, to quality for the agreement. Otherwise, tariffs would apply, which in effect, halted the trade. This prevented Canada from establishing trade agreements with another country, and then undercutting US producers.

What they don't like now, is that we're protecting our interests, with both their imposed Tariffs and trade agreements. They want to have their cake and eat it too....imposing tariffs on our products, while establishing favorable terms with other producers...while preventing us from having reciprocal fees.

And for what we provide them in GDP and Defense, it's not an unreasonable ask.

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I cant speak for them, but I will say that most understand their position in this sphere. There are a lot of things they have to give up, for the right to protection and trade.

That's not unusual though. It goes back to NAALC, NAFTA, USMCA...as well as other negotiations prior. In the past it was disguised as 'domestic good' regulations, whereas the majority of the goods had to be domestic, to quality for the agreement. Otherwise, tariffs would apply, which in effect, halted the trade. This prevented Canada from establishing trade agreements with another country, and then undercutting US producers.

What they don't like now, is that we're protecting our interests, with both their imposed Tariffs and trade agreements. They want to have their cake and eat it too....imposing tariffs on our products, while establishing favorable terms with other producers...while preventing us from having reciprocal fees.

And for what we provide them in GDP and Defense, it's not an unreasonable ask.

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So the US is asking for protection money.

Btw, US has less leverage than it thinks. Look at the bond market. When the world stops buying US bonds, it is game over. Trump is burning through all the good will in the world. And it's going to bite us in the rear.

It's not just protection money, as I described.

That said, I likely don't disagree with you about the USD, bonds, and our depleting goodwill credit. But that's a longer discussion.

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AgGrad99 said:

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I cant speak for them, but I will say that most understand their position in this sphere. There are a lot of things they have to give up, for the right to protection and trade.

That's not unusual though. It goes back to NAALC, NAFTA, USMCA...as well as other negotiations prior. In the past it was disguised as 'domestic good' regulations, whereas the majority of the goods had to be domestic, to quality for the agreement. Otherwise, tariffs would apply, which in effect, halted the trade. This prevented Canada from establishing trade agreements with another country, and then undercutting US producers.

What they don't like now, is that we're protecting our interests, with both their imposed Tariffs and trade agreements. They want to have their cake and eat it too....imposing tariffs on our products, while establishing favorable terms with other producers...while preventing us from having reciprocal fees.

And for what we provide them in GDP and Defense, it's not an unreasonable ask.

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So the US is asking for protection money.

Btw, US has less leverage than it thinks. Look at the bond market. When the world stops buying US bonds, it is game over. Trump is burning through all the good will in the world. And it's going to bite us in the rear.

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And we get you have a wet dream about this happening and everyone in the world not investing in its biggest economy, crushing us and leading to permanent Dem control but it's not happening.

Canada is angry just like Europe is angry that America is saying "Cold War is over, no more unlimited sweet heart deals of trade and military protection with zero contribution by you.

One can only assume our pact addition that Canada can't trade with others without our consent is retribution for getting cozy with China. We publicly announced at the beginning of the year that we were not going to let China gain more of a foothold in this hemisphere and Carney was talking alot of **** lately about partnering with China. So, pretty dumb by him.

However, obviously, there is some hypocrisy on our part here since we trade very heavily with China. I think not letting Canada trade with anyone without our approval is a bit much. For example, does that apply to other Commonwealth countries of which they are a part?

It's only goodwill from these countries cause we have protected them and bailed them out for centuries.
People always have lots of friends as long as they are giving them something.

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AgGrad99 said:

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I cant speak for them, but I will say that most understand their position in this sphere. There are a lot of things they have to give up, for the right to protection and trade.

That's not unusual though. It goes back to NAALC, NAFTA, USMCA...as well as other negotiations prior. In the past it was disguised as 'domestic good' regulations, whereas the majority of the goods had to be domestic, to quality for the agreement. Otherwise, tariffs would apply, which in effect, halted the trade. This prevented Canada from establishing trade agreements with another country, and then undercutting US producers.

What they don't like now, is that we're protecting our interests, with both their imposed Tariffs and trade agreements. They want to have their cake and eat it too....imposing tariffs on our products, while establishing favorable terms with other producers...while preventing us from having reciprocal fees.

And for what we provide them in GDP and Defense, it's not an unreasonable ask.

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So the US is asking for protection money.

Btw, US has less leverage than it thinks. Look at the bond market. When the world stops buying US bonds, it is game over. Trump is burning through all the good will in the world. And it's going to bite us in the rear.

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What's wrong with the bind market? Perhaps listening to that Cramer guy too much?

Telling people to pay their share of security is not protection money. Is that what you call your local taxes that pay for police service?

Per the left, America doesn't have any goodwill to leverage whether at home or abroad, so how can Trump burn through it?

And why should be ever be subservient to other countries and their wishes / whims? We are the alpha. Trump is making us act like it.

Thanks GOD every dang day for Donald John Trump.

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One can only assume our pact addition that Canada can't trade with others without our consent is retribution for getting cozy with China. We publicly announced at the beginning of the year that we were not going to let China gain more of a foothold in this hemisphere and Carney was talking alot of **** lately about partnering with China. So, pretty dumb by him.

However, obviously, there is some hypocrisy on our part here since we trade very heavily with China. I think not letting Canada trade with anyone without our approval is a bit much. For example, does that apply to other Commonwealth countries of which they are a part?

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Canada is in a unique position as our next door neighbor. Before, they had the ability to say "build here then ship next door with no tariffs and virtually no border control!"

Now imagine if China decided to take advantage of a certain bought and paid for prime minister they have in their pocket and essentially use that setup to come into Canada and gain economic control of our next door neighbor and influencing them to do things like denying us their air space.

That's what this whole thing is really about, keeping China and their bought and paid for puppets like Carney out of the western hemisphere

shiftyandquick said:

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AgGrad99 said:

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I cant speak for them, but I will say that most understand their position in this sphere. There are a lot of things they have to give up, for the right to protection and trade.

That's not unusual though. It goes back to NAALC, NAFTA, USMCA...as well as other negotiations prior. In the past it was disguised as 'domestic good' regulations, whereas the majority of the goods had to be domestic, to quality for the agreement. Otherwise, tariffs would apply, which in effect, halted the trade. This prevented Canada from establishing trade agreements with another country, and then undercutting US producers.

What they don't like now, is that we're protecting our interests, with both their imposed Tariffs and trade agreements. They want to have their cake and eat it too....imposing tariffs on our products, while establishing favorable terms with other producers...while preventing us from having reciprocal fees.

And for what we provide them in GDP and Defense, it's not an unreasonable ask.

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So the US is asking for protection money.

Btw, US has less leverage than it thinks. Look at the bond market. When the world stops buying US bonds, it is game over. Trump is burning through all the good will in the world. And it's going to bite us in the rear.

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These kind of statements make me laugh. The only way the world does anything remotely close to this is if they want a hard reset. Too many people make too much money the way things are. Stop the bond market and America stops free navigation, and the whole system is done. We don't even have to pretend to know what would come next because the world would be a free for all and nothing would be like it is today.

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One can only assume our pact addition that Canada can't trade with others without our consent is retribution for getting cozy with China. We publicly announced at the beginning of the year that we were not going to let China gain more of a foothold in this hemisphere and Carney was talking alot of **** lately about partnering with China. So, pretty dumb by him.

However, obviously, there is some hypocrisy on our part here since we trade very heavily with China. I think not letting Canada trade with anyone without our approval is a bit much. For example, does that apply to other Commonwealth countries of which they are a part?

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Canada is in a unique position as our next door neighbor. Before, they had the ability to say "build here then ship next door with no tariffs and virtually no border control!"

Now imagine if China decided to take advantage of a certain bought and paid for prime minister they have in their pocket and essentially use that setup to come into Canada and gain economic control of our next door neighbor and influencing them to do things like denying us their air space.

That's what this whole thing is really about, keeping China and their bought and paid for puppets like Carney out of the western hemisphere

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Yeah, I agree. It just probably would have played a little better if we hadn't put in such a broad demand of all countries requiring approval. The Canadian government is a clown car of morons, but we put Carney in a position that he had to say no to that.

Of course, this is likely typical Trump ask for the moon negotiation and then dial it back to just China requiring approval. He's already delayed the auto tariffs until Jan 1, so this thing is still ongoing.

No. Frankly it's not. Have you looked at timber prices lately? The number of pulp mills that have closed in the last 12 months in the southeast?

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So what is your point other than your own map shows they have a pipeline to BC that you previously claimed doesn't exist? Yes, Enbridge runs through the US to their Eastern refineries. If those pipelines were shut down, their Eastern refineries can import oil via water along with moving Alberta oil via rail cars as well. It isn't as cost effective but it isn't a case of gasoline will go to US$20/gal.

Now, can you tell me how the Montana, Minnesota, and other Northern tier refineries that import oil from Canada will get all of their requirements met if Canada is no longer exporting to the US? Once again I will state, the Canadian will absolutely be hurt but so with the US.

ETA. If you think the US doesn't need Canadian imported oil, please explain to me why Trump has exempted the largest import from Canada, oil, from his tariffs.

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Canada can keep the lights on in the East but it will be very, very expensive without those US pipelines. The pipe to the West Coast isn't big enough to do any significant exporting and it still has to provide for BC.

The strategy for Trump is to divide AB/SK from their Ottawa masters. We are happy to take their oil at a discount and they are happy to sell it. AB/SK is very conservative unlike Ontario. This would be like DC telling Texas we can't ship out of the Port of Houston only far worse, Texas has a diverse economy but AB/SK doesn't. AB/SK secedes and the rest of Canada becomes a 3rd world country (which it is already pacing towards, Mexico is passing it in GDP).

Canada has assumed they can use their biggest sticks on the US and thinks we won't retaliate in kind. In the end this is about Carney being a globalist stooge owned by the WTO. He is looking out for Europe and China and is convincing Canadians to commit suicide. China and the EU are happy to trade with Canada, one way. Problem is all of them are export markets. The only thing of value Canada exports are O&G which they can't get to the coast in volume to export, along with potash, and maybe lumber. They can't sell their cars or industrial products to them and that's the entire Eastern Canadian economy.

President Trump with the blow torch to Canadian libtards and their badly failing econ policies.

I genuinely think that Carney believed that he could replace the US with Chinese and European markets. It makes a bit of sense since he basically operated in Europe for so long as to why he would think this. I'm sure he was told by his EU friends, sure we'd love to have Canadian goods in our markets, all the while the Europeans had no clue that their deindustrialization would be catapulted by energy costs after Russia was cut off. And I'm sure that China was equally profuse in their promises which will never materialize in a reciprical way. China needed certain things from Germany and elsewhere in Europe that it just doesn't need from Canada.

It sure looks like Carney got suckered. Blustered. And now he can't back out. It's too bad the Conservatives up there so misplayed Trump that they blew that election. But I just don't see how Canada survives this. They just don't have any altrenative market.

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I genuinely think that Carney believed that he could replace the US with Chinese and European markets.

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He absolutely did, and still seems to be listening to China, against all reason.

Don't worry, Carney will be back in a few weeks.

He wanted to be a big strongman to his voters, he will sneak back like a mouse.

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Don't worry, Carney will be back in a few weeks.

He wanted to be a big strongman to his voters, he will sneak back like a mouse.

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I just don't want Trump tossing them a lifeline about a 'deal' until it is signed, sealed and delivered. Zero reprieves. Make Carney sign it himself on on a desk on the new White House helipad, USS Missouri style.

But first, USMCA termination notification should go out. No more Truth Social posts hinting about repercussions. Just do it.

There are multiple avenues for Trump to take. Two easy ones relate to exiting CUSMA (USMCA).

First, is a simple termination notification, due to current trade conflict.

Second, is a termination notification, due to the FTA Canada signed with China (specifically on autos).… https://t.co/qZitndMker

— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) August 24, 2026

aezmvp said:

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I genuinely think that Carney believed that he could replace the US with Chinese and European markets. It makes a bit of sense since he basically operated in Europe for so long as to why he would think this. I'm sure he was told by his EU friends, sure we'd love to have Canadian goods in our markets, all the while the Europeans had no clue that their deindustrialization would be catapulted by energy costs after Russia was cut off. And I'm sure that China was equally profuse in their promises which will never materialize in a reciprical way. China needed certain things from Germany and elsewhere in Europe that it just doesn't need from Canada.

It sure looks like Carney got suckered. Blustered. And now he can't back out. It's too bad the Conservatives up there so misplayed Trump that they blew that election. But I just don't see how Canada survives this. They just don't have any altrenative market.

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Yes, he publicly went on a European tour just a few months ago to kickstart a "new world order" with Canada as the lead. Which is just hilarious and sad that he thought Canada could lead such an arrangement. That went nowhere because Europe has its own massive structural issues and having the gnat from Canada show up and get in their ear about this was just an amusing distraction for them, I'm sure.

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I genuinely think that Carney believed that he could replace the US with Chinese and European markets. It makes a bit of sense since he basically operated in Europe for so long as to why he would think this. I'm sure he was told by his EU friends, sure we'd love to have Canadian goods in our markets, all the while the Europeans had no clue that their deindustrialization would be catapulted by energy costs after Russia was cut off. And I'm sure that China was equally profuse in their promises which will never materialize in a reciprical way. China needed certain things from Germany and elsewhere in Europe that it just doesn't need from Canada.

It sure looks like Carney got suckered. Blustered. And now he can't back out. It's too bad the Conservatives up there so misplayed Trump that they blew that election. But I just don't see how Canada survives this. They just don't have any altrenative market.

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Yes, he publicly went on a European tour just a few months ago to kickstart a "new world order" with Canada as the lead. Which is just hilarious and sad that he thought Canada could lead such an arrangement. That went nowhere because Europe has its own massive structural issues and having the gnat from Canada show up and get in their ear about this was just an amusing distraction for them, I'm sure.

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I respectfully think your perspective here, and the person you replied to neglects the fact that Carney is not stupid. He is just deceitful. His home, his wife, his company, and his college-age kids are all in America. He's just playing the role his CCP bosses are telling him to play, just as Biden's handlers did. They have long wanted significant disruption in Canada via trade/'migration' etc. And it's happening.

Carney is a temporary foreign worker. His wife is in the United States. His children study in the United States. One of the daughters is at Harvard. His interests are Brookfield. He moved the headquarters to the United States. He is not here for Canada. He is here to pad his…

— Gypsymagic (@gypsymagic24) August 22, 2026

When the pressure eventually gets too high, he will leave and...move to join his family in America, just as Trudeau joined his American girlfriend.

We have a lot of Canadian suppliers that began the process this spring of moving manufacturing, or as much as they could, to the US. Some are stuck with the bag up there. Their plants are too big to shut, too much debt on building sites like that, but my guess is that unless the looney drops enough to offset the fear of tariffs on those products that they'll shutter some/all of those facilities for a while. The sites are just too big to serve the Canadian market alone.

Gonna be very interesting to see. If USMCA goes down, there is going to be a total exit of most manufacturing from Canada and they can't sustain their welfare economy on just mineral extraction. Not to mention Ottowa and Quebec City will be heavily crunched. in an outsized way. Really hard to specify.

Not sure what percentage of our lumber comes from Canada but that's the only product I see as a potential issue for us

They're booing our national anthem at soccer games:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadians-react-carney-trump-tariffs-9.7317664

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The Canadian Press reported jeers echoing through Vancouver's B.C. Place ahead of a Major League Soccer game between the Whitecaps and FC Dallas on Saturday, following booing at Stade Saputo, where CF Montral hosted the L.A. Galaxy earlier in the day.

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Carney doesn't seem to understand the concept of leverage. He has none. Zero.

He has less leverage with us than Peru.

What an idiot.

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Carney doesn't seem to understand the concept of leverage. He has none. Zero.

He has less leverage with us than Peru.

What an idiot.

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Blue wave coming

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Carney doesn't seem to understand the concept of leverage. He has none. Zero.

He has less leverage with us than Peru.

What an idiot.

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Blue wave coming

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And what happens when there is no blue wave to save him with Communist International Brotherhood?

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Carney doesn't seem to understand the concept of leverage. He has none. Zero.

He has less leverage with us than Peru.

What an idiot.

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His concept of leverage is simply how hard he should bite the pillow…

shiftyandquick said:

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Carney doesn't seem to understand the concept of leverage. He has none. Zero.

He has less leverage with us than Peru.

What an idiot.

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Blue wave coming

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It wont help canada

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They're booing our national anthem at soccer games:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadians-react-carney-trump-tariffs-9.7317664

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The Canadian Press reported jeers echoing through Vancouver's B.C. Place ahead of a Major League Soccer game between the Whitecaps and FC Dallas on Saturday, following booing at Stade Saputo, where CF Montral hosted the L.A. Galaxy earlier in the day.

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**** canada

I can't say that I'm a full expert on trade between the United States and Canada. However, I have worked for a couple of U.S. manufacturers (USDA and FDA) that exported product (or attempted) to Canada.

As I recall, there was no level playing ground when it came to dealing with Canada. The Canadians slanted the deck, pure and simple. The irony to me, as it is playing out today, is that Canada dwarfs the population of the United States.

At some point, Canada will need to realize they need the United States as a trading partner. Fair and Balanced.