CampSkunk said:

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What's your source about the price of lattes? If the price increase is that small, why have our wood imports from Canada dropped significantly? A small increase would imply a small reduction. We have increased our production a bit, and guess what? We've replaced Canadian imports with an increase in European imports.

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We produce 75% domestically. Then Canada supplies 80% of that 25%. So that 5% European share grew 20% to 6% and that is supposed to be… making a difference somewhere.

For your source.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1544612325020987?via%25253Dihub

AgDad121619 said:

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Gunny456 said:

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Our Forestry Industries are thriving now in the U.S. We have four timber mills within a 30 mile radius of our little town. They are running at full capacity. It is that way across all of the timber areas in our region.

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Spent my whole career in paper making business. Tree regrowth has consistently outpaced harvest for the past 50 years. And successional forest management creates more wildlife habitat than we see currently see on US forest lands because of the years of no harvest.

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Recall reading a paper some years ago now that we have more trees in this country than we ever have even compared to pre-industrial USA. One example is Dallas, TX. Built in the middle of the plains and something like 95% of the trees in DFW didn't show up until after turn of last century. They were all planted and what you have there now is outcome of non-native planted trees.

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EFR said:

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If a latte is $7.50 you are talking about an additional $5400 over the life of a 30 yr mortgage in his scenario. You are forgetting the most important part though, numbers don't matter when defending trumps poor economic decisions.

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Now do interest rates.

I priced my lattes at $13 because you libs need sustainably produced soy and ethically milled organic goat milk.

Should we get back to Biden and his double inflation? His disastrous policy on energy? Killing the Keystone XL? All those things will cost you more than $10k over 30
Years.

But it doesn't matter when you are focused on anything Orange Man touches is bad.

What a weakkneed argument.

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It's exactly the opposite. You are seeming to conclude that everything Orange Man touches is good. Some of us apply some discernment, and we have the ability to admit when something Trump does is bad.

By the way, I am not a lib - I voted for Trump, three times. And I would vote for him again. The bottom line is that every tax Trump adds increases costs. He was elected in part because of affordability, as your reference to Biden implies. Trump could have absorbed the problems with Iran, if he had done other things like tariffs that affect costs. Now he is going to lose Republicans some votes because of it. And if the Dems take the house, he will be impeached. Predictable outcome for his unforced errors.

YouBet said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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Gunny456 said:

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Our Forestry Industries are thriving now in the U.S. We have four timber mills within a 30 mile radius of our little town. They are running at full capacity. It is that way across all of the timber areas in our region.

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Spent my whole career in paper making business. Tree regrowth has consistently outpaced harvest for the past 50 years. And successional forest management creates more wildlife habitat than we see currently see on US forest lands because of the years of no harvest.

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Recall reading a paper some years ago now that we have more trees in this country than we ever have even compared to pre-industrial USA. One example is Dallas, TX. Built in the middle of the plains and something like 95% of the trees in DFW didn't show up until after turn of last century. They were all planted and what you have there now is outcome of non-native planted trees.

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You're telling me my Chinese Elm trees are non-native to Frisco, TX? I have two American Elm's too that are a real pain to keep healthy, though I think we are on the fringe of that being native to the area. Everything is fake in Dallas, including the $30K/year millionaires. My Texas Lilac Vitex are awesome though, they seem to love it and be 'unkillable' by the summers.

Sorry for the derail. The heat is also what prevents 'too many' Canadians from settling here, which is nice.

I'm also not sure cherry picking the conclusion helps your case

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3.5. Market responsiveness
The scenarios reveal a fundamental difference in the nature of the two policy channels (Fig 5). The impact of tariffs on monthly payments attenuates substantiallydeclining by 36 % between the rigid and flexible market scenariosas capacity expansion and input substitution mitigate the initial shock. In contrast, the impact of a given mortgage rate is constant for the duration of a fixed-rate loan, absent refinancing. This persistence magnifies the relative importance of financing conditions in determining the total cost of homeownership. While tariffs create real cost pressures, their ultimate impact on the monthly financial obligation of homebuyers is dominated by the prevailing interest rate environment.

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This demonstrates that the price increases substantially until the market adjusts. Of course - capitalism 101. It also presumes wages are fixed - they are not, as wages react over time to every price increase. And comparing it to interest sates demonstrates that rates haven't come down enough, but that's more Congress's fault than Trump's fault. But who will get the blame? Trump. And one of the reasons he gets blamed is for things like tariffs.

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The heat is also what prevents 'too many' Canadians from settling here, which is nice.

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Instead, you get Indians. Not sure you came out ahead there!

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Canadians call them First Peoples.

nortex97 said:

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He's a liar.

Canadians need to understand what actually happened with the U.S. trade fight.
Most countries facing Trump’s tariffs sat down early, negotiated quietly, and protected their market access. Mexico did this from day one. They absorbed the insults, made targeted concessions, kept… https://t.co/8CRAiA0Vh3

— Nana0000 (@Nana00018487212) August 21, 2026

Tonight, Canada declined to finalize the trade deal under the terms agreed earlier this week.

Despite the U.S. offer to Canada to receive the best treatment of any major exporter to our market, new demands and walk backs of other commitments by Canada have upended the careful…

— United States Trade Representative (@USTradeRep) August 22, 2026

And this is really Canadians' fault. He's still popular there and feels no political pressure over this. Enjoy the ride, canucks.

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Is Carney lying?

A more plausible possibility: our own Trump Administration, which is the lyingest administration in U.S. history led by the lyingest and most corrupt President in U.S. history, is being dishonest.

Regardless of that, however, Canada is making a bold move by calling Trump's hand. Trump holds a strong bunch of cards thanks to his predecessors. This will be quite a poker game to watch.

doubledog said:

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I know it is not possible, but Trump should drop all tariffs to Alberta, just to piss off Carney.

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Howabout a JDAM on Carney's head?

Convenience store, not casino.

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doubledog said:

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I know it is not possible, but Trump should drop all tariffs to Alberta, just to piss off Carney.

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Howabout a JDAM on Carney's head?

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waste of munitions bombing an empty storeroom.

Canada hasn't made a bold move since it introduced apple flavored crown roy. Get real.

Steel tariffs are a windfall for the domestic steel mills and are crushing the consumer. And for what? It's wild.

This is all about China gaining a foothold in North America. If that happens... 'Oh Canada'

This is nothing. Wait until they bomb the Arquettes.

Carney hates Trump more than he loves Canada. Sounds familiar.

I keep hearing about all these other countries that don't have any cards to play. And yet Trump seems to lose every hand. Pretty amazing how he manages to do that

Excellent info. Thanks!

Trump is determined to make America into the first nation in history that taxed its way to prosperity.

boulderaggie said:

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This is all about China gaining a foothold in North America. If that happens... 'Oh Canada'

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s/ Yep, lord help us all if China gains a foothold in North America. /s

Oh wait. That already happened. Thanks to the USA.

China's entry into the global economic system after 2000 caused U.S. imports of cheap manufactured goods to surge, making China the top source of U.S. non-petroleum imports. The ever-increasing appetite for quarterly profit increases by U.S. private equity funds, stock market funds, hedge funds, and Wall Street greed hollowed out and destroyed many of the USA's manufacturing industries and enabled China to build and solidify its status as the world's primary manufacturing and assembly hub.

Thanks to your boy Trump, Canada is expanding and diversifying its trade partership options instead of remaining focused solely on being tied to the USA. Smart move by Canada. Dumb move by us.

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Canada was already in a dire economic climate.

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Economic growth in Canada this year is forecast to be 1.6%, according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

The U.S. economy expanded at an annualized rate of 1.5 percent in the second quarter of 2026.

FIDO*98* said:

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- We would like our businesses to have Tarrif free access to US Markets
- We want to keep our tariffs on US goods to protect these same businesses from having to compete with American businesses


And yet, everyone will blame Trump

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