Mark Carney Just Killed Canada

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Yeah the Canadians have been threatening to/huffing about weaponizing potash trade/sales for a couple years now. If Belarus were brought online in some sort of 'energy/infrastructure' deal with Zelensky-Putin then we could replace the Doug Ford/Carney supply/threats pretty quickly.

Maybe the Canadians sell more to the Dutch farmers who have not to date been entirely run out of business over 'nitrogen pollution.'
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How is Canada at the forefront of AI? There are only two countries there and its us and China.

There is a reason the rest of the planet is in panic mode and you have this new sovereign movement that has popped up almost overnight.
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YouBet said:

How is Canada at the forefront of AI? There are only two countries there and its us and China.

There is a reason the rest of the planet is in panic mode and you have this new sovereign movement that has popped up almost overnight.

Canada, the US NE, and Bastrop County, account for nearly all of the maple syrup production in North America. With Bastrop's contribution to maple syrup production similar in relative percentage to Canada's contribution to advanced AI research.
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I did an AI lookup and it seems Belarus can fill the gap. Issue seems to be sanctions at various times making it not as reliable.
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YouBet said:

How is Canada at the forefront of AI? There are only two countries there and its us and China.

There is a reason the rest of the planet is in panic mode and you have this new sovereign movement that has popped up almost overnight.


When I think frontier AI, I always think Canada!
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Logos Stick said:


I did an AI lookup and it seems Belarus can fill the gap. Issue seems to be sanctions at various times making it not as reliable.


Well, we are going to see the obvious Putin collusion reeeing out of this as well considering Belarus is essentially a satellite state of Russia.

Doesn't bother me but I'm sure there are already media pundits crying about it.
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Logos Stick said:

YouBet said:

How is Canada at the forefront of AI? There are only two countries there and its us and China.

There is a reason the rest of the planet is in panic mode and you have this new sovereign movement that has popped up almost overnight.


When I think frontier AI, I always think Canada!


They should actually use this as a marketing slogan. "We put the frontier in AI!" And then they show the Canadian frontier that consists of nothing but wilderness and wild fires.
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YouBet said:

How is Canada at the forefront of AI? There are only two countries there and its us and China.

There is a reason the rest of the planet is in panic mode and you have this new sovereign movement that has popped up almost overnight.

Just mindless boasting by an idiot. It has the word Intelligence in it, no way Canada can even be a player.

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Tony Franklins Other Shoe said:

YouBet said:

How is Canada at the forefront of AI? There are only two countries there and its us and China.

There is a reason the rest of the planet is in panic mode and you have this new sovereign movement that has popped up almost overnight.

Just mindless boasting by an idiot. It has the word Intelligence in it, no way Canada can even be a player.


Had to look this up. The Global AI index which ranks 190 countries capabilities regarding AI and AI research.

There is the US and China as the entire planet already knows and then everyone else.

Canada is a distant 8th and fell three spots YoY like they are in almost every other metric. So, he's lying as suspected.


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YouBet said:

Logos Stick said:


I did an AI lookup and it seems Belarus can fill the gap. Issue seems to be sanctions at various times making it not as reliable.


Well, we are going to see the obvious Putin collusion reeeing out of this as well considering Belarus is essentially a satellite state of Russia.

Doesn't bother me but I'm sure there are already media pundits crying about it.

This looks to me like a bribe to Belarus to pull them just a little ways further out of Putin's orbit They have always been reluctant to get involved with Putin's war in Ukraine and their unwillingness to join the invasion early on likely tipped the scales in allowing Ukraine to survive the initial waves of the attack. Their recent shut down of Russian comm points for drone flights over Belarus was another push back against Putin. Getting them a trade deal that pulls them closer to the west and gives them something to lose if they participate in Putin's war any further is actually pretty smart geopolitics.
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txags92 said:

YouBet said:

Logos Stick said:


I did an AI lookup and it seems Belarus can fill the gap. Issue seems to be sanctions at various times making it not as reliable.


Well, we are going to see the obvious Putin collusion reeeing out of this as well considering Belarus is essentially a satellite state of Russia.

Doesn't bother me but I'm sure there are already media pundits crying about it.

This looks to me like a bribe to Belarus to pull them just a little ways further out of Putin's orbit They have always been reluctant to get involved with Putin's war in Ukraine and their unwillingness to join the invasion early on likely tipped the scales in allowing Ukraine to survive the initial waves of the attack. Their recent shut down of Russian comm points for drone flights over Belarus was another push back against Putin. Getting them a trade deal that pulls them closer to the west and gives them something to lose if they participate in Putin's war any further is actually pretty smart geopolitics.


Well done, this seems incredibly likely. two birds one stone type of deal. With Greenland in the bag, and Mexico pissed at Carney for trying to leave them in the cold, ol Canada seems to have some walls closing in.
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txags92 said:

YouBet said:

Logos Stick said:


I did an AI lookup and it seems Belarus can fill the gap. Issue seems to be sanctions at various times making it not as reliable.


Well, we are going to see the obvious Putin collusion reeeing out of this as well considering Belarus is essentially a satellite state of Russia.

Doesn't bother me but I'm sure there are already media pundits crying about it.

This looks to me like a bribe to Belarus to pull them just a little ways further out of Putin's orbit They have always been reluctant to get involved with Putin's war in Ukraine and their unwillingness to join the invasion early on likely tipped the scales in allowing Ukraine to survive the initial waves of the attack. Their recent shut down of Russian comm points for drone flights over Belarus was another push back against Putin. Getting them a trade deal that pulls them closer to the west and gives them something to lose if they participate in Putin's war any further is actually pretty smart geopolitics.


Very well could be!
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I doubt it. It's a basic trade deal from what we know so far. Trump may (as rumored) drop some Russian sanctions, agree to get Latvia or Poland to assist with Potash shipments etc. Ukraine and Russia alike want more export/shipping/energy security.

Trump and Zelensky both have posted about positive communications/negotiations the past 48 hours. Of course the latter may balk at the last second again, but the difference is that this time the Euro's really need some relief as well for diesel prices, to say nothing of the Canadian economy.

And btw, this as usual hurts...the western provinces that are not uniparty LPC.
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nortex97 said:

I doubt it. It's a basic trade deal from what we know so far. Trump may (as rumored) drop some Russian sanctions, agree to get Latvia or Poland to assist with Potash shipments etc. Ukraine and Russia alike want more export/shipping/energy security.

Trump and Zelensky both have posted about positive communications/negotiations the past 48 hours. Of course the latter may balk at the last second again, but the difference is that this time the Euro's really need some relief as well for diesel prices, to say nothing of the Canadian economy.

And btw, this as usual hurts...the western provinces that are not uniparty LPC.


If it is a trade deal with Russia, yes. But if it is a trade deal independently with Belarus, even if it has Putin's blessing, it puts some skin in the game for Belarus, which has been walled off due to sanctions from a lot of their natural markets. If they have something to lose in the future from going along with something stupid Putin wants to do, maybe it will give them a little more backbone to resist...or to give the west a quiet heads up of what is coming.
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Resist what? They are basically a Russian puppet state, which I don't think needs to be detailed much. Trump was rumored this weekend to be offering business deals to Russia in exchange for some 'terms.' (Some big NYT headline.). He did sign the 'Graham' sanctions package but who knows? The bottom line is that Trump wants deals to announce heading toward November.


In any case, the Canadians are losing, ultimately. Which is great to see.
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LOL.
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Looks like Trump is just messing wiyh Carney's genius brain.
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Or Trump's mouth is still writing checks he cannot cash because he's so desperate to run to Twitter/Social and claim a victory that doesn't have three legs on the floor.

How many times has he claimed something re: Iran or Russia related that absolutely went nowhere in spite of his bloviating and bluster?

you can love him. you can love his style. you can love that he is president and not kamala while still calling bull**** on him for his actual bull*****
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Bulldog73 said:




Looks like Trump is just messing wiyh Carney's genius brain.

Or he is working on the deal with one of the entities their existing production is already contracted to.
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nortex97 said:

I doubt it. It's a basic trade deal from what we know so far. Trump may (as rumored) drop some Russian sanctions, agree to get Latvia or Poland to assist with Potash shipments etc. Ukraine and Russia alike want more export/shipping/energy security.

Trump and Zelensky both have posted about positive communications/negotiations the past 48 hours. Of course the latter may balk at the last second again, but the difference is that this time the Euro's really need some relief as well for diesel prices, to say nothing of the Canadian economy.

And btw, this as usual hurts...the western provinces that are not uniparty LPC.


This could be a way to encourage the split...
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Ag with kids said:

This could be a way to encourage the split...

they can vote all they want to leave. The rest of the country does not have to let them go, any more than Texas can leave the US if they wanted to.
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'Industrial Carbon pricing' made me laugh. Oh the global warming scare mongering. Carney and Macron just took private jets to meet at some French island off Newfoundland.

Fact check; true.
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'Industrial Carbon pricing' made me laugh. Oh the global warming scare mongering. Carney and Macron just took private jets to meet at some French island off Newfoundland.

Fact check; true.

I really find the extent one can claim 'Fact check; true' with absolutely no evidence. I'm sorry, Carney and Macron flying in private jets is not evidence of anything other than you are easily misled.

Try fact-checking the Belarus deal on the potash and you will find that it is just a lie, like everything else that comes from Mr. Cheeto.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/6102469-trump-lukashenko-potash-deal-clash/
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Belarus's authoritarian leader Alexander Lukashenko said Monday that there are no available volumes of fertilizer to send to the U.S. This came after President Trump announced that he was working on a "massive Deal" to buy potash from Minsk at a steep discount amid the trade war with Canada.
"Even if we wanted to supply [potash] to other, Western markets, we simply do not have those volumes everything is contracted," Lukashenko said in remarks published by his office on Monday.

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Watermelon Man said:

nortex97 said:


'Industrial Carbon pricing' made me laugh. Oh the global warming scare mongering. Carney and Macron just took private jets to meet at some French island off Newfoundland.

Fact check; true.

I really find the extent one can claim 'Fact check; true' with absolutely no evidence. I'm sorry, Carney and Macron flying in private jets is not evidence of anything other than you are easily misled.

Try fact-checking the Belarus deal on the potash and you will find that it is just a lie, like everything else that comes from Mr. Cheeto.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/6102469-trump-lukashenko-potash-deal-clash/
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Belarus's authoritarian leader Alexander Lukashenko said Monday that there are no available volumes of fertilizer to send to the U.S. This came after President Trump announced that he was working on a "massive Deal" to buy potash from Minsk at a steep discount amid the trade war with Canada.
"Even if we wanted to supply [potash] to other, Western markets, we simply do not have those volumes everything is contracted," Lukashenko said in remarks published by his office on Monday.



And nothing about what he said prevents the US from buying potash from one of those entities to whom it is already contracted. I am not saying that is the case, but Trump never said he was negotiating with the government of Belarus to buy potash from them. He said we were working on a deal to buy potash from Belarus, without specifying who exactly we were negotiating with. Which could be entirely true without ever talking to the government of Belarus. We could be talking to Russia, to some other company, etc. any of which might have potash they would be willing to sell us.
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Watermelon Man said:

I really find the extent one can claim 'Fact check; true' with absolutely no evidence. I'm sorry, Carney and Macron flying in private jets is not evidence of anything other than you are easily misled.

Try fact-checking the Belarus deal on the potash and you will find that it is just a lie, like everything else that comes from Mr. Cheeto.

Kevin O'leary you obviously didn't listen to. Which is fine.

He's an amusing Canadian, fwiw.
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MemphisAg1 said:

I'm up here in Alberta right now on vacation. This place is great!

It's like the "Texas of Canada." They wear boots, drive pickup trucks, and keep their places cleaned up like any self-respecting landowner. Not like that trash you see in Montreal and Ottawa.

I'd trade California for Alberta any day.

Alberta is awesome...and the Mountains are beautiful. The people there are great.

There is a surprising number of Aussies in the Banff area....who are the Cowboy-type of Aussie. Good people.
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nortex97 said:

Watermelon Man said:

I really find the extent one can claim 'Fact check; true' with absolutely no evidence. I'm sorry, Carney and Macron flying in private jets is not evidence of anything other than you are easily misled.

Try fact-checking the Belarus deal on the potash and you will find that it is just a lie, like everything else that comes from Mr. Cheeto.

Kevin O'leary you obviously didn't listen to. Which is fine.

He's an amusing Canadian, fwiw.


You don't trust a random left-wing poster using a communist euphemism as his handle over a very well-known investor from Canada commenting about his own country?
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Bulldog73 said:




Looks like Trump is just messing wiyh Carney's genius brain.


Dude has a GREAT hat. Like the mushroom dude in Mario Cart...lol

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CascadiaAg said:

Ag with kids said:

This could be a way to encourage the split...

they can vote all they want to leave. The rest of the country does not have to let them go, any more than Texas can leave the US if they wanted to.

Show me in the Canadian Constitution where it says they can't leave...
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Carney clown world.
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Not sure where Carney gets his marching orders from, but Carney and Trudeau have basically ruined Canada as we once knew it, I don't see how their people have let this go on? I could see Alberta seriously trying to get out of their
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fullback44 said:

Not sure where Carney gets his marching orders from, but Carney and Trudeau have basically ruined Canada as we once knew it

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The prime minister also told the Times that in the future, with a different U.S. president, "we will be a better partner for the U.S. because of what we are doing."

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Carneys entire schtick is pretending Canada is the best lucky rebel standing out to the evil giant that is oppressing it with "elbows up" when in fact all he's doing is to scapegoat the consequences of decades of Liberal policy destruction onto the US and eastern Canadians consumed with Canadian Little Man Syndrome eat it up

Carney wants Canada to be a communist country allied to another Communist power be it Europe or China
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Maroon Dawn said:

Carneys entire schtick is pretending Canada is the best lucky rebel standing out to the evil giant that is oppressing it with "elbows up" when in fact all he's doing is to scapegoat the consequences of decades of Liberal policy destruction onto the US and eastern Canadians consumed with Canadian Little Man Syndrome eat it up

Carney wants Canada to be a communist country allied to another Communist power be it Europe or China

Canada fully exists off being the neighbor of the US and the US being its protector. Without that they're our next 10 states.
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Hey now, Carney is delivering results that matter, for his subjects.
 
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