That's lot of disclaimers to describe a limited use. For any real regular towing an EV is a terrible choice.

I tried towing my boat (21' bay boat) with my Model Y to the local lake a few times. Terrible choice. They just aren't built to do it regularly. And absolutely not at all if you need to charge. I have a diesel truck to tow.

Right tools, right job.

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Nobody is remotely close to Tesla on FSD and won't be for a long while.

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Nonsense. Tesla is extremely close. I can already drive from garage to parking spot on a 50 mile drive with no driver input. They will be using the same system in their cybercabs. The only thing holding them back at this point is regulation.

Teslag said:

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Nonsense. Tesla is extremely close. I can already drive from garage to parking spot on a 50 mile drive with no driver input. They will be using the same system in their cybercabs. The only thing holding them back at this point is regulation.

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By his logic, student drivers were never driving the car either.

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Nonsense. Tesla is extremely close. I can already drive from garage to parking spot on a 50 mile drive with no driver input. They will be using the same system in their cybercabs. The only thing holding them back at this point is regulation.

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I hit the button for FSD inside my garage at my house and the next thing I did in my car 22 miles later was press the seatbelt release, press the button to open the door, exit the car and walk away. No other buttons pressed. Did not have to put it in park and did not have to lock the door.

I'd say that is "close."

Where is my compensation for risking my life in this beta test?

You probably also have things like lines on the road.

…and pavement.

LMAO, this is the funniest thing I've read all week.

AxelFoley85 said:

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LMAO, this is the funniest thing I've read all week.

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Curious why so funny? I can drive from college station to Dallas with no driver input from garage to parking lot and that includes a stop for charging if needed. I was anti EV for a long time like most too. Then Clay Travis endorsed FSD as the greatest thing so I had to try it. I was sold in the first 5 minutes of owning our MY and now I have a CT on order for myself. We'll always have an ICE car as an extra but I doubt it'll get driven much

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AxelFoley85 said:

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LMAO, this is the funniest thing I've read all week.

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Curious why so funny? I can drive from college station to Dallas with no driver input from garage to parking lot and that includes a stop for charging if needed. I was anti EV for a long time like most too. Then Clay Travis endorsed FSD as the greatest thing so I had to try it. I was sold in the first 5 minutes of owning our MY and now I have a CT on order for myself. We'll always have an ICE car as an extra but I doubt it'll get driven much

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they were responding to this little comment from two days ago:

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Shhh. ATF will start regulating these too. With a suppressor like they have in Hollywood movies you can drive right behind a deer and shoot it in the butt.

Government needs to regulate these weapons of mass destruction!!!

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I will give them this.
They may not be able to see fire trucks or trains, but Teslas make excellent places to change lanes in traffic.

TexasRebel said:

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Where is my compensation for risking my life in this beta test?

You probably also have things like lines on the road.

…and pavement.

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Full disclosure, it did drive over my grass a little bit right when it left the garage. I guess I need to paint lines on my driveway. I have a 1/4 mile asphalt driveway but it curves right where my house is near the garage and delivery trucks keep going off the driveway there.

Tesla used to pull up right outside my garage. It automatically opens the door, so all I had to do was slightly press the gas pedal and it would continue pulling in. After recent software updates now it does not line up with my garage.

I've never gotten it to pull into my garage with me either taking over or at least nudging the gas pedal a little bit.

TexasRebel said:

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Where is my compensation for risking my life in this beta test?

You probably also have things like lines on the road.

…and pavement.

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Why would you need compensation for risking your life since it's safer than a human? You should be paying them for reducing your chance of having a wreck.

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I will give them this.
They may not be able to see fire trucks or trains, but Teslas make excellent places to change lanes in traffic.

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Anyone else trying to figure out what this even means?

Teslag said:

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TexasRebel said:

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I will give them this.
They may not be able to see fire trucks or trains, but Teslas make excellent places to change lanes in traffic.

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Anyone else trying to figure out what this even means?

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If you pull slightly ahead of a Tesla in the lane beside it and start to move over, FSD will apply the brakes and let you in.

Not sure about the firetrucks and trains comment, because mine sees those perfectly.

TexasRebel said:

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Where is my compensation for risking my life in this beta test?

You probably also have things like lines on the road.

…and pavement.

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Actually, they do well driving through neighborhoods that don't have lines or straight roads. In my neighborhood, Tesla's are the only ones that don't cut the corners, stay in their lane unless it is to get around a parked car, and signal for turns. They also do surprisingly well on dirt roads too.

When was the last time you were in a Tesla with the current hardware and software package? I'm guessing the answer is never.

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TexasRebel said:

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Where is my compensation for risking my life in this beta test?

You probably also have things like lines on the road.

…and pavement.

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Why would you need compensation for risking your life since it's safer than a human? You should be paying them for reducing your chance of having a wreck.

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Ugh!

Elon!

African-Americans take the fun out of everything!

Just stopped by to say I love the Mileage Bros who pound their chests about their 2007 Z71 with 376,000 miles on it like it is a badge of courage.

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Teslag said:

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I will give them this.
They may not be able to see fire trucks or trains, but Teslas make excellent places to change lanes in traffic.

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Anyone else trying to figure out what this even means?

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If you pull slightly ahead of a Tesla in the lane beside it and start to move over, FSD will apply the brakes and let you in.

Not sure about the firetrucks and trains comment, because mine sees those perfectly.

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That makes sense that FSD will apply brakes and let you in, but I just assumed that any time I see a Tesla that is leaving tons of following distance from the car in front of it, the driver is using FSD.. and it leaves enough space for anyone to cut in and change lanes. ...and then slows down to allow the programmed following distance so someone else can cut in.. and so on and so forth..

Yeah, it's annoying sometimes and I turn off FSD because it is letting everyone in.

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GeorgiAg said:

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Teslag said:

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TexasRebel said:

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I will give them this.
They may not be able to see fire trucks or trains, but Teslas make excellent places to change lanes in traffic.

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Anyone else trying to figure out what this even means?

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If you pull slightly ahead of a Tesla in the lane beside it and start to move over, FSD will apply the brakes and let you in.

Not sure about the firetrucks and trains comment, because mine sees those perfectly.

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That makes sense that FSD will apply brakes and let you in, but I just assumed that any time I see a Tesla that is leaving tons of following distance from the car in front of it, the driver is using FSD.. and it leaves enough space for anyone to cut in and change lanes. ...and then slows down to allow the programmed following distance so someone else can cut in.. and so on and so forth..

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Oh, snap.

Time to start a Tesla slalom next time I see one doing this.

I don't voluntarily ride in death traps.

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oh no said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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Teslag said:

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TexasRebel said:

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I will give them this.
They may not be able to see fire trucks or trains, but Teslas make excellent places to change lanes in traffic.

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Anyone else trying to figure out what this even means?

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If you pull slightly ahead of a Tesla in the lane beside it and start to move over, FSD will apply the brakes and let you in.

Not sure about the firetrucks and trains comment, because mine sees those perfectly.

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That makes sense that FSD will apply brakes and let you in, but I just assumed that any time I see a Tesla that is leaving tons of following distance from the car in front of it, the driver is using FSD.. and it leaves enough space for anyone to cut in and change lanes. ...and then slows down to allow the programmed following distance so someone else can cut in.. and so on and so forth..

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Oh, snap.

Time to start a Tesla slalom next time I see one doing this.

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I mean, it's not a game, but I think all other drivers realize if they need to change lanes, and there's a Tesla up ahead in the other lane - target acquired: that's your bee yotch.

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I don't voluntarily ride in death traps.

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So you are saying the technology sucks without any knowledge or data to support your positions. I'm not shocked with your claims on this thread.

PS. I think the last bit of FSD is a ways away such as knowing to go to a keypad to get into a gated neighborhood but for 99+% of the time, the system is already better than the vast majority of drivers on the road today. It doesn't drive drunk, tired, distracted or failing to see a blind spot.

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ToddyHill said:

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I'm on my third VW. All of them were turbocharged with manual transmissions. I guess I've been fortunate because the first two easily surpassed 200,000 miles and my current one has 100,000 miles.

That said, I would love to own a Tesla model S.

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Were they diesels?

Important part of the equation.

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And were you doing 5K oil changes instead of the dealer recommended 10K oil changes. My VW mechanic said that 10K were the worst thing to happen.

I own a Ford Mach E (I refuse to call it a mustang) and it's been humming along without any issues. Only thing I've done was a recall for the the High Voltage Junction Box. I've seen reports with these cars easily going over 150K and still keeping about 85-90% of their battery life.

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Your mechanic is trying to sell you oil changes.

Fully synthetic oil can go far beyond 10k miles before you get enough shear to see the oil begin to degrade to a point that it no longer does the job it is designed to do. Even oil filters now are designed for 8k-10k lifespans. I've done oil changes at 20k for close to 25 years now on my diesels. Every one of them has gone well over 200k miles without any issue. The one I had before this I sold with 412k and it still ran like a champ, and I still regret selling it. My current truck just rolled 200k on the odometer.

TexasRebel said:

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I don't voluntarily ride in death traps.

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It's literally one of the safest cars on the road

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Red Pear Felipe said:

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ToddyHill said:

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I'm on my third VW. All of them were turbocharged with manual transmissions. I guess I've been fortunate because the first two easily surpassed 200,000 miles and my current one has 100,000 miles.

That said, I would love to own a Tesla model S.

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Were they diesels?

Important part of the equation.

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And were you doing 5K oil changes instead of the dealer recommended 10K oil changes. My VW mechanic said that 10K were the worst thing to happen.

I own a Ford Mach E (I refuse to call it a mustang) and it's been humming along without any issues. Only thing I've done was a recall for the the High Voltage Junction Box. I've seen reports with these cars easily going over 150K and still keeping about 85-90% of their battery life.

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Your mechanic is trying to sell you oil changes.

Fully synthetic oil can go far beyond 10k miles before you get enough shear to see the oil begin to degrade to a point that it no longer does the job it is designed to do. Even oil filters now are designed for 8k-10k lifespans. I've done oil changes at 20k for close to 25 years now on my diesels. Every one of them has gone well over 200k miles without any issue. The one I had before this I sold with 412k and it still ran like a champ, and I still regret selling it. My current truck just rolled 200k on the odometer.

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Put differently, if it was an issue, the automakers would still require oil changes at 3-5k for warranties to be valid. It would reduce their claims and drive more business to their dealerships.

The non synthetic oils absolutely needed changed every 3-5k because the viscosity adders would break down along with the oil.

And while Teslas may be the most likely to make it to 250k - that's fairly irrelevant given that most Tesla owners are swapping cars out every 3-4 years anyway I would imagine.

TexasRebel said:

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I don't voluntarily ride in death traps. understand statistics

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FIFY

oh no said:

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BigRobSA said:

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oh no said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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If you pull slightly ahead of a Tesla in the lane beside it and start to move over, FSD will apply the brakes and let you in.

Not sure about the firetrucks and trains comment, because mine sees those perfectly.

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That makes sense that FSD will apply brakes and let you in, but I just assumed that any time I see a Tesla that is leaving tons of following distance from the car in front of it, the driver is using FSD.. and it leaves enough space for anyone to cut in and change lanes. ...and then slows down to allow the programmed following distance so someone else can cut in.. and so on and so forth..

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Oh, snap.

Time to start a Tesla slalom next time I see one doing this.

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I mean, it's not a game, but I think all other drivers realize if they need to change lanes, and there's a Tesla up ahead in the other lane - target acquired: that's your bee yotch.

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I am 80% FSD driving the past 20K miles. Under FSD, never close to an accident. I am confident that if all cars had FSD, accidents would plummet and death pushing towards zero.

I see bad driving on a daily basis and zero bad driving under 20K miles of FSD. FSD do make maneuvers that I shake my head BUT never dangerous.

Medaggie said:

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I am 80% FSD driving the past 20K miles. Under FSD, never close to an accident. I am confident that if all cars had FSD, accidents would plummet and death pushing towards zero.

I see bad driving on a daily basis and zero bad driving under 20K miles of FSD. FSD do make maneuvers that I shake my head BUT never dangerous.

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I think that's important to point out. FSD will make decisions that I wouldn't make at times, but never does it do anything dangerous. I've been in 3 situations that it dodged a collision all due to another driver changing lanes into me. I can't say I wouldn't have avoided them just the same had I been driving and fully paying attention, but the sudden evasive action was startling on all three.

Maybe a dumb question, but does the FSD work in rural area? If I were to buy a ranch off grid in West Texas, would it be able to find me and get me to town?

What about private roads. If it's 5 miles from my sumptuous house on Internet Millionaire Ranch to the highway, will it know where to go?

If your Tesla can drive me to the Big City for doctor's appointments, it greatly expands the places I can live as an old fart, without worrying about medical care being close by

i could be wrong, but i don't think these things are relying on mapped geolocations or satellite imagery or any sort of online data repositories. i think the vehicle is loaded with lidar, sensors, cameras, AI, etc. so for example a private road in the middle of no where should still be no problem for it.

FSD works better if previous Teslas have driven through the area and collected images/data for their large mapped world, but it does adapt to new conditions fairly quick. Vehicles with FSD software installed are constantly collecting info in the background while driving around, it is part of the reason why they have free FSD months. Somewhat cheap data collection

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Maybe a dumb question, but does the FSD work in rural area? If I were to buy a ranch off grid in West Texas, would it be able to find me and get me to town?

What about private roads. If it's 5 miles from my sumptuous house on Internet Millionaire Ranch to the highway, will it know where to go?

If your Tesla can drive me to the Big City for doctor's appointments, it greatly expands the places I can live as an old fart, without worrying about medical care being close by

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Not sure about that on a private road. I live rural 5 miles outside of town and it has no issue on county FM roads with our without striping and janky pavement.