I'm now at the point I'm considering the Mach E.

If you want one, just be aware they may be killing it off shortly.

7 year old cars getting major updates. Name another manufacturer that does that.

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The data is pretty self-evident at this point. Comically, the French don't seem to think so, and demand it be made less-safe to approve there.

🇫🇷 France rejects the current form of "FSD Supervised" and claims that this is not merely its own isolated position. I expect 🇩🇪 Germany to adopt this same stance.

France—along with other European countries with strong automotive industries—will curtail the features of "FSD… https://t.co/eMfoU5ooLv

— Alex (@alex_avoigt) July 22, 2026

(It's part of a political-religious crusade by Macron's party against X/Musk/TSLA fwiw).
ETA:

Don’t worry! The French are almost ready with their FSD competitor 😂 https://t.co/7OogRGf3zr pic.twitter.com/p3X5RaHVJ7

— Philip Engberg (@philipengberg) July 22, 2026

LOL.

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I hate the French. That's ridiculous.

In the end, hard facts/data will (should) win the day.

As for the person considering the Mach E, I'd be hard pressed to buy an electric vehicle other than a Tesla at this point. They are light years ahead of their competitors.

Since a Tesla vehicle is basically a mobile computer, isn't there going to be a time when the newest update simply won't be able to be ran on the older vehicles? Like any phone or laptop/PC.


And no, I'm not knocking Tesla. I'm almost done buying a new house, and would look at a used Tesla as a replacement for my hooptie-ass ImpHolla!! . Just wondering as tech...all tech...eventually outlives its useful life.

BigRobSA said:

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Since a Tesla vehicle is basically a mobile computer, isn't there going to be a time when the newest update simply won't be able to be ran on the older vehicles? Like any phone or laptop/PC.


And no, I'm not knocking Tesla. I'm almost done buying a new house, and would look at a used Tesla as a replacement for my hooptie-ass ImpHolla!! . Just wondering as tech...all tech...eventually outlives its useful life.

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Yes, and that has already happened. The older Tesla's computers do not have the processing power or capability to handle the latest versions of FSD.

The other benefit the Tesla is not just reduced accidents, but also it's very strict compliance with laws. For example, I hardly ever do a complete stop at a stop sign if there are no other cars present. But Tesla will stop unless you slightly depress the gas pedal to push it forward and roll the stop sign. If there happens to be a cop hiding now you're not gonna get a ticket with a Tesla.

Update they just sent out is probably the last major update those cars will receive. They're going to make available an update computer to people that previously purchased FSD outright so I wouldn't be stunned if they made that available as a upgrade path for people that didn't buy it outright previously.

A colleague told me that the Chinese electrics are much better than even the Teslas. I don't know this to be true, just something I heard.

BigRobSA said:

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Since a Tesla vehicle is basically a mobile computer, isn't there going to be a time when the newest update simply won't be able to be ran on the older vehicles? Like any phone or laptop/PC.


And no, I'm not knocking Tesla. I'm almost done buying a new house, and would look at a used Tesla as a replacement for my hooptie-ass ImpHolla!! . Just wondering as tech...all tech...eventually outlives its useful life.

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Very good point. They are a technology company, not a car company.

GeorgiAg said:

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The other benefit the Tesla is not just reduced accidents, but also it's very strict compliance with laws. For example, I hardly ever do a complete stop at a stop sign if there are no other cars present. But Tesla will stop unless you slightly depress the gas pedal to push it forward and roll the stop sign. If there happens to be a cop hiding now you're not gonna get a ticket with a Tesla.

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Except for speed limits. Even in Standard it speeds. Mad Max will take you close to "straight to jail" speeds.

In the future, they will probably make it easy to do a computer hardware swap out. I'm not sure if they upgrade cameras as much.

That is true, lol. I am currently in my Tesla and Mad Max mode and it's going 20 miles an hour over the speed limit. Standard doesn't speed enough to get you pulled over.

Hardware Version 3 was phased out in late 2023. If you get a model built before then you're getting a vehicle capable of FSD but not the same updated version as HW4. HW4 has a significantly updated processor that can handle far more calculations per second and improved cameras. HW3 is pretty much maxed out.

It doesn't really affect anything else much other than FSD and not everyone who owns a Tesla uses it.

If you buy used, which is what I am looking at, definitely check the hardware version and make sure it is version 4 if you are planning on using FSD. Over the last year or two they've also made significant manufacturing improvements in terms of build quality.

The new model Y is the most popular car in the world right now in terms of sales so hoping to snag one within the next year in relatively good condition, low mileage used. There should be some available. They lose so much of their value in the first year it just doesn't make sense to me to buy new.

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That is true, lol. I am currently in my Tesla and Mad Max mode and it's going 20 miles an hour over the speed limit. Standard doesn't speed enough to get you pulled over.

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At first, I was like… how is this legal? But then I realized it's still your choice what mode to be in. Choosing Mad Max and speeding is no different than choosing to push the accelerator pedal further, I guess.

I'm sure there are examples, but I'd love to see a bodycam video of someone trying to convince the cop it wasn't him speeding, it was the car (via FSD mad max mode).

I wonder if the Cybercabs ever speed or if they strictly stick to posted speed limits at all times.

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GeorgiAg said:

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The other benefit the Tesla is not just reduced accidents, but also it's very strict compliance with laws. For example, I hardly ever do a complete stop at a stop sign if there are no other cars present. But Tesla will stop unless you slightly depress the gas pedal to push it forward and roll the stop sign. If there happens to be a cop hiding now you're not gonna get a ticket with a Tesla.

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Except for speed limits. Even in Standard it speeds. Mad Max will take you close to "straight to jail" speeds.

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ErnestEndeavor said:

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Hardware Version 3 was phased out in late 2023. If you get a model built before then you're getting a vehicle capable of FSD but not the same updated version as HW4. HW4 has a significantly updated processor that can handle far more calculations per second and improved cameras. HW3 is pretty much maxed out.

It doesn't really affect anything else much other than FSD and not everyone who owns a Tesla uses it.

If you buy used, which is what I am looking at, definitely check the hardware version and make sure it is version 4 if you are planning on using FSD. Over the last year or two they've also made significant manufacturing improvements in terms of build quality.

The new model Y is the most popular car in the world right now in terms of sales so hoping to snag one within the next year in relatively good condition, low mileage used. There should be some available. They lose so much of their value in the first year it just doesn't make sense to me to buy new.

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Thanks for the info!

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If you have a Tesla, you are much safer using FSD than not.

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Yes. If a person doesn't like to drive and will do anything while driving except driving, that person shouldn't drive.

I do not agree that they should use underdeveloped technology to avoid driving.

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I don't give a damn what you believe and didn't ask. I did not respond to a post you made.

The fact that you are still trolling this thread with nonsense is unbelievable.

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Then stop beta testing unfinished products with inexperienced testers where they can kill me.

We lease one! Its my favorite to drive. I also have a GMC 1500 AT4. We will also have 1 electric vehicle from now on

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I'm sure there are examples, but I'd love to see a bodycam video of someone trying to convince the cop it wasn't him speeding, it was the car (via FSD mad max mode).

I wonder if the Cybercabs ever speed or if they strictly stick to posted speed limits at all times.

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I was in Houston the other day on 290 and saw a cybercab zipping in and out of lanes going at least 15 over. It zipped by too fast for me to see if this was one of the test models that included steering wheels or not. Anyway, that one was speeding. I noticed because it was the first one I've seen in the wild.