No. I've claimed that computers cannot do something they weren't programmed to do. If they could, it would truly be artificial intelligence, and we'd soon be an endangered species.

You're trying to argue that rapid database recollection is the same as intelligence. It is not. The system cannot truly deal with input it has not seen before. It must either use a programmed algorithm to interpolate or extrapolate. Then get feedback on accuracy to add another datapoint to its database.

I've been pretty specific.

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Then yes. Expect to start replacing stuff when the warranty is up. Designing any one component to outlive the others is a waste of money.

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So it's your contention that all Tesla owners, as a good and standard maintenance practice, should pre-emptively replace wheel hubs, the battery, and the motors at 120k?

Is that correct?

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There is reactive maintenance which tends to get expensive and happen all at once, and there is preventative maintenance.

I'm not telling anyone how to live. I just know that "dumbass" charges do exist in vehicle service.

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None of that was the question. Your refusal to answer and subsequent crawfish tells us everything we need to know about your trolling.

You've expanded the unit in question from wheel bearings to the whole vehicle.

The implicit claim you're making is Tesla has training data in its data set of that mural created from a photograph by the tester in its data set and it queried a database to recognize the mural. That mural is novelty. It dealt with the novelty.

Watch the video.

I made explicit claims.

That mural has no depth. Doesn't matter what you paint on it.

Plus I'm sure Teslas got programmed to not drive into solid objects after one thought a semi was the sky.

I am not sure what is dumber, TrollRebel or you guys trying to argue with a troll.

Seriously, he is like the guy who pounds his chest thinking that he is in some way superior while everyone around just laughs at him. We all know these people, and it's pointless to debate with. Best to move on, because you are essentially arguing with a rock and how silly would this be.

I think he has convinced me to trade in all of our 3 EVs and go back to ice. This will allow me to spend more on gas, maintenance, time to get oil changes, go into a hot car, not watch my world cup in my car at 70 degrees while watching my kids practice soccer, and giving up hundreds of other conveniences.

I plan on going to my CPA tomorrow and tell him why he is always wrong. Then I am going to my lawyer to tell him how his practice sucks. After that, I have my eyes on the quantum physics friend and tell him why gravity doesn't really exist. Maybe I will find time to argue with an astronaut that the earth is truly flat.

How does it know it's solid if it's not in the database? Your argument is if it's not in the database it cannot discern what it is. How is a dinosaur occluding the road different from the mural occluding the road? They are both novelties not in the data set.

I'm with you man, the wheel bearing maintenance on my Tesla is killing me

If a computer essentially would never lose to the best grandmaster in chess, that would mean that the computer would have been programmed to know every combination of all events/board configuration otherwise it would just freeze. That alone will tell you all you need to know. No point in arguing.

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I am 80% FSD driving the past 20K miles. Under FSD, never close to an accident. I am confident that if all cars had FSD, accidents would plummet and death pushing towards zero.

I see bad driving on a daily basis and zero bad driving under 20K miles of FSD. FSD do make maneuvers that I shake my head BUT never dangerous.

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If everybody drove like teslas do with FSD, a normal 30 minute drive to work would take me at least an hour because everybody would get progressively slower as more vehicles entered the road and left more and more space between each one.

Hard pass, I like having control and being able to stop and fill up in 10 minutes. But that's me.

*I will say that if the auto driving was able to manage merging properly using the zipper method, I might be talked into it having some positive qualities

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I actually think if all car was on FSD, it would shorten your commute time with less hard stops. I drove on hurry today and it went in/out of traffic like a pro.

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Based on every single tesla i encountered in Houston and asstin this week - no. It would not speed up my drive.

You need to change the oil and like it.

They are both detectable objects.

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I'm with you man, the wheel bearing maintenance on my Tesla is killing me

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The point was, you may be neglecting maintenance on your vehicle.

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If a computer essentially would never lose to the best grandmaster in chess, that would mean that the computer would have been programmed to know every combination of all events/board configuration otherwise it would just freeze. That alone will tell you all you need to know. No point in arguing.

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The only way a computer will never lose to a human is by waiting for the human to starve to death. We've covered this. A computer cannot make better moves than a human in a finite-move zero-sum game. It can only play through the game many more times per second with only the flaws it was programmed with. If you want a game to compare to driving, which is where this all started, by the way, I'd like to see a computer "learn" to play billiards, golf, or darts.

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This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of motors and engines.

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On your part yes, along with a fundamental misunderstanding of AI and other subject matter.

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And engineering. The idea that you should replace any and every non-serviceable part in a piece of machinery as soon as the warranty expires as a maintenance practice is one of the most absurd things I've ever read.

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Dare I say most IT departments chunk computers and other equipment once they're out of warranty.

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I'm with you man, the wheel bearing maintenance on my Tesla is killing me

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The point was, you may be neglecting maintenance on your vehicle.

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That's a silly point

We've been trying to reach you regarding your vehicle's extended warranty…

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You've expanded the unit in question from wheel bearings to the whole vehicle.

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No, you did this. You said since it was non-serviceable part its maintenance interval would be the life of the warranty period.

You don't get to pick and choose which parts you apply that ridiculous logic to.

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This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of motors and engines.

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On your part yes, along with a fundamental misunderstanding of AI and other subject matter.

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And engineering. The idea that you should replace any and every non-serviceable part in a piece of machinery as soon as the warranty expires as a maintenance practice is one of the most absurd things I've ever read.

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Dare I say most IT departments chunk computers and other equipment once they're out of warranty.

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Would you replace any number of the non-serviceable sealed transmissions on some ice vehicles at the expiration of the powertrain warranty?

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You've expanded the unit in question from wheel bearings to the whole vehicle.

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No, you did this. You said since it was non-serviceable part its maintenance interval would be the life of the warranty period.

You don't get to pick and choose which parts you apply that ridiculous logic to.

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You said there wasn't a drivetrain warranty, but a "drive unit" warranty, then dragged the battery into the "drive unit", which I'm dubious about (a quick search on the ISO definition of drivetrains for EVs exclude the batteries, I was wrong about that earlier, too).

So why would battery maintenance fall within the warranty period of the "drive unit"?

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This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of motors and engines.

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On your part yes, along with a fundamental misunderstanding of AI and other subject matter.

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And engineering. The idea that you should replace any and every non-serviceable part in a piece of machinery as soon as the warranty expires as a maintenance practice is one of the most absurd things I've ever read.

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Dare I say most IT departments chunk computers and other equipment once they're out of warranty.

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Would you replace any number of the non-serviceable sealed transmissions on some ice vehicles at the expiration of the powertrain warranty?

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Since their maintenance schedule is explicitly called out in the owners manual, no.

Also, WTF are you talking about… sealed, unserviceable transmissions? CVTs?

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You've expanded the unit in question from wheel bearings to the whole vehicle.

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No, you did this. You said since it was non-serviceable part its maintenance interval would be the life of the warranty period.

You don't get to pick and choose which parts you apply that ridiculous logic to.

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You said there wasn't a drivetrain warranty, but a "drive unit" warranty, then dragged the battery into the "drive unit", which I'm dubious about (a quick search on the ISO definition of drivetrains for EVs exclude the batteries, I was wrong about that earlier, too).

So why would battery maintenance fall within the warranty period of the "drive unit"?

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I didn't say there was a drive unit warranty. Tesla did. The Battery and Drive Unit Warranty is a single warranty with a minimum coverage of 8 years / 120k miles to include battery and motor.

If you simply attempted to do some research on this topic it might do you some good prior to spouting off.

Well then yes, a battery failure would not be a surprise after 8 years or 120k miles.

I've no reason to research your vehicle. RTFM.

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Well then yes, a battery failure would not be a surprise after 8 years or 120k miles.

I've no reason to research your vehicle. RTFM.

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Again, should the battery be replaced by the owner as a maintenance task at 120k miles?

He said yes to that last page

"Then yes. Expect to start replacing stuff when the warranty is up. Designing any one component to outlive the others is a waste of money."

Which is funny because I have a 250,000 mile accord that's on its third timing belt. The belt is designed for 90,000 miles but somehow the wheel bearings are still going strong

I just threw out some running shoes I bought yesterday. Ran on it just once because I have been told it's no good if warranty runs out.

I'm learning lots on here.

Did you RTFM for the maintenance schedule?

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He said yes to that last page

"Then yes. Expect to start replacing stuff when the warranty is up. Designing any one component to outlive the others is a waste of money."

Which is funny because I have a 250,000 mile accord that's on its third timing belt. The belt is designed for 90,000 miles but somehow the wheel bearings are still going strong

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That's the gamble, huh?
Parts might last 10,000,000 miles and 1,000 years past their design life. You just have to decide which part of the bathtub curve you're comfortable living in.

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I just threw out some running shoes I bought yesterday. Ran on it just once because I have been told it's no good if warranty runs out.

I'm learning lots on here.

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My home air conditioner has been out of warranty for 5 years. I'm calling an HVAC tech on Monday to replace the condenser, blower, and compressor just because.

Or don't.

It's June.

I hear they come fix A/Cs for reasonable prices on the same day when it's 104F out.

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Or don't.

It's June.

I hear they come fix A/Cs for reasonable prices on the same day when it's 104F out.

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Wait so you replaced every part in your AC the day it went out of warranty? What about your fridge? Replace the control board or compressor after warranty?

Replace, no.

Keep parts on hand and know how to change them, yes.

What kind of A/C do you have? Apparently their engineers like to waste money

My truck is also out of warranty. Should i replace the alternator, radiator, starter, etc just because? I mean sure it's all working fine but I better replace it all just because it's past the 36,000 mile warranty.