You should have considered a Bugatti. That way you'd be "saving" millions instead of thousands.

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You should have considered a Bugatti. That way you'd be "saving" millions instead of thousands.

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Except one of those scenarios was realistic and the other is the random post of an a-hole

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You make major purchasing decisions based on how anonymous posters treat you on a college football message board?

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You bet I do. Purchasing is an emotional decision. Your response is an excellent case in point.

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The problem is you run here immediately with every single negative thing you read without any vetting whatsoever. Then when corrected you continue to repeat.

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Where have I done that on this thread? It's very difficult holding a rational conversation here because of all the insults from EV lovers.

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Scores of former "never EV" posters keep buying these cars and changing their minds. Why do you think that is?

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I don't see scores of them. I've seen a couple of Ags on here saying something to that effect but I don't think it's scores.

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You should have considered a Bugatti. That way you'd be "saving" millions instead of thousands.

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Except one of those scenarios was realistic and the other is the random post of an a-hole

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Just pointing out bad math. After a cursory Google search, the average yearly fuel + maintenance savings enjoyed by owning a Tesla model 3 is $300-500.

You'd have to own the car for 20+ years to save "tens of thousands of dollars"

You are easily the worst perpetrator of that kind of behavior of any person on this topic. And easily the worst perpetrator of believing you're making a valid critique and then when refuted with evidence responding with "Utopia is just around the corner." Or some other snarky non-sense.

Sigh. And it continues.

There simply is no sane rational EVangelist willing to engage in honest conversation without slinging insults.

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wrecks
oil changes
battery changes
tires


Ok, how do we next criticize Teslas? I know! I have to replace the washer fluid more often because I clean frequently for the front camera. I also have little glasses cleaner wipe packets so I can clean the other cameras if need be.

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In the "I'll never buy an EV" thread they stooped to "tire dust pollution" at one point

One of the most prolific posters on the anti EV thread is posting here now and is a Tesla fan boy now

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How can you guys forget they all spontaneously combust and burn your house down.

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You make major purchasing decisions based on how anonymous posters treat you on a college football message board?

The problem is you run here immediately with every single negative thing you read without any vetting whatsoever. Then when corrected you continue to repeat. Scores of former "never EV" posters keep buying these cars and changing their minds. Why do you think that is?

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Nope. I buy the smallest gasoline vehicle I can that doesn't shut itself off at lights.

It gets 8mpg.

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Sigh. And it continues.

There simply is no sane rational EVangelist willing to engage in honest conversation without slinging insults.

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Charge them with battery.

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You should have considered a Bugatti. That way you'd be "saving" millions instead of thousands.

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Except one of those scenarios was realistic and the other is the random post of an a-hole

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Just pointing out bad math. After a cursory Google search, the average yearly fuel + maintenance savings enjoyed by owning a Tesla model 3 is $300-500.

You'd have to own the car for 20+ years to save "tens of thousands of dollars"

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You simply choose not to read my previous post with any kind of context didn't you. I said I saved tens of thousands of dollars by not choosing another commensurate SUV or pickup that I was looking at (sticker price), not that I'd be saving tens of thousands of dollars on gas alone. But, since we are on the topic, my current SUV ICE gas guzzler did cost me $400/mo in gas. Over a 5-yr time span, it actually does save me tens of thousands of dollars in fuel that I will not be spending moving forward. I know math is hard for you buddy, but you'll get there one day if you keep working at it.

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Sigh. And it continues.

There simply is no sane rational EVangelist willing to engage in honest conversation without slinging insults.

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Charge them with battery.

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Thanks lilhorn. You're a ray of LED light from the EV dashboards on this thread.

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Sigh. And it continues.

There simply is no sane rational EVangelist willing to engage in honest conversation without slinging insults.

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Charge them with battery.

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Thanks lilhorn. You're a ray of LED light from the EV dashboards on this thread.

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I do admit to being bipolar.

If not fuelish.

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You should have considered a Bugatti. That way you'd be "saving" millions instead of thousands.

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Except one of those scenarios was realistic and the other is the random post of an a-hole

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Just pointing out bad math. After a cursory Google search, the average yearly fuel + maintenance savings enjoyed by owning a Tesla model 3 is $300-500.

You'd have to own the car for 20+ years to save "tens of thousands of dollars"

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You simply choose not to read my previous post with any kind of context didn't you. I said I saved tens of thousands of dollars by not choosing another commensurate SUV or pickup that I was looking at (sticker price), not that I'd be saving tens of thousands of dollars on gas alone. But, since we are on the topic, my current SUV ICE gas guzzler did cost me $400/mo in gas. Over a 5-yr time span, it actually does save me tens of thousands of dollars in fuel that I will not be spending moving forward. I know math is hard for you buddy, but you'll get there one day if you keep working at it.

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What you are failing to understand is that "I looked at some luxury SUV's and then bought a sedan to save money" is not materially different from "I looked at a sports car and bought a sedan to save money"

Using your absurd accounting method, you could have "saved" way more by simply "looking at" even more expensive vehicles.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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You should have considered a Bugatti. That way you'd be "saving" millions instead of thousands.

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Except one of those scenarios was realistic and the other is the random post of an a-hole

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Just pointing out bad math. After a cursory Google search, the average yearly fuel + maintenance savings enjoyed by owning a Tesla model 3 is $300-500.

You'd have to own the car for 20+ years to save "tens of thousands of dollars"

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You simply choose not to read my previous post with any kind of context didn't you. I said I saved tens of thousands of dollars by not choosing another commensurate SUV or pickup that I was looking at (sticker price), not that I'd be saving tens of thousands of dollars on gas alone. But, since we are on the topic, my current SUV ICE gas guzzler did cost me $400/mo in gas. Over a 5-yr time span, it actually does save me tens of thousands of dollars in fuel that I will not be spending moving forward. I know math is hard for you buddy, but you'll get there one day if you keep working at it.

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What you are failing to understand is that "I looked at some luxury SUV's and then bought a sedan to save money" is not materially different from "I looked at a sports car and bought a sedan to save money"

Using your absurd accounting method, you could have "saved" way more by simply "looking at" even more expensive vehicles.

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I didn't buy a Rolls Royce. I saved a ton.

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You should have considered a Bugatti. That way you'd be "saving" millions instead of thousands.

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Except one of those scenarios was realistic and the other is the random post of an a-hole

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Just pointing out bad math. After a cursory Google search, the average yearly fuel + maintenance savings enjoyed by owning a Tesla model 3 is $300-500.

You'd have to own the car for 20+ years to save "tens of thousands of dollars"

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You simply choose not to read my previous post with any kind of context didn't you. I said I saved tens of thousands of dollars by not choosing another commensurate SUV or pickup that I was looking at (sticker price), not that I'd be saving tens of thousands of dollars on gas alone. But, since we are on the topic, my current SUV ICE gas guzzler did cost me $400/mo in gas. Over a 5-yr time span, it actually does save me tens of thousands of dollars in fuel that I will not be spending moving forward. I know math is hard for you buddy, but you'll get there one day if you keep working at it.

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What you are failing to understand is that "I looked at some luxury SUV's and then bought a sedan to save money" is not materially different from "I looked at a sports car and bought a sedan to save money"

Using your absurd accounting method, you could have "saved" way more by simply "looking at" even more expensive vehicles.

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What you are failing to realize is I understand the difference but literally proved you wrong in two seconds with the gas savings alone vs what I would have paid out of pocket with gas -AND- suv/pickup pricing. Let's take out the suv/pickup since you are getting stuck on that (bless your heart; you really are trying here); I could buy a commensurate ICE sedan and still blow it away in gas savings alone.

Try harder buddy; I know you are really trying to give it your all here.

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You should have considered a Bugatti. That way you'd be "saving" millions instead of thousands.

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Except one of those scenarios was realistic and the other is the random post of an a-hole

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Just pointing out bad math. After a cursory Google search, the average yearly fuel + maintenance savings enjoyed by owning a Tesla model 3 is $300-500.

You'd have to own the car for 20+ years to save "tens of thousands of dollars"

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You simply choose not to read my previous post with any kind of context didn't you. I said I saved tens of thousands of dollars by not choosing another commensurate SUV or pickup that I was looking at (sticker price), not that I'd be saving tens of thousands of dollars on gas alone. But, since we are on the topic, my current SUV ICE gas guzzler did cost me $400/mo in gas. Over a 5-yr time span, it actually does save me tens of thousands of dollars in fuel that I will not be spending moving forward. I know math is hard for you buddy, but you'll get there one day if you keep working at it.

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What you are failing to understand is that "I looked at some luxury SUV's and then bought a sedan to save money" is not materially different from "I looked at a sports car and bought a sedan to save money"

Using your absurd accounting method, you could have "saved" way more by simply "looking at" even more expensive vehicles.

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I didn't buy a Rolls Royce. I saved a ton.

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I considered buying an EV but I was nowhere near an outlet mall.

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Sigh. And it continues.

There simply is no sane rational EVangelist willing to engage in honest conversation without slinging insults.

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The level of self awareness here is off the charts.

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Sigh. And it continues.

There simply is no sane rational EVangelist willing to engage in honest conversation without slinging insults.

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The level of self awareness here is off the charts.

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You are plugged in to nuance?

I live nowhere near any fast chargers. But I charge my truck at home for way cheaper than gas. And if I ever need to, there's fast chargers on the highways for way cheaper than gas.

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You should have considered a Bugatti. That way you'd be "saving" millions instead of thousands.

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Except one of those scenarios was realistic and the other is the random post of an a-hole

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Just pointing out bad math. After a cursory Google search, the average yearly fuel + maintenance savings enjoyed by owning a Tesla model 3 is $300-500.

You'd have to own the car for 20+ years to save "tens of thousands of dollars"

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You simply choose not to read my previous post with any kind of context didn't you. I said I saved tens of thousands of dollars by not choosing another commensurate SUV or pickup that I was looking at (sticker price), not that I'd be saving tens of thousands of dollars on gas alone. But, since we are on the topic, my current SUV ICE gas guzzler did cost me $400/mo in gas. Over a 5-yr time span, it actually does save me tens of thousands of dollars in fuel that I will not be spending moving forward. I know math is hard for you buddy, but you'll get there one day if you keep working at it.

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What you are failing to understand is that "I looked at some luxury SUV's and then bought a sedan to save money" is not materially different from "I looked at a sports car and bought a sedan to save money"

Using your absurd accounting method, you could have "saved" way more by simply "looking at" even more expensive vehicles.

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I didn't buy a Rolls Royce. I saved a ton.

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I saved way more than you bucko, I "looked at" and didn't buy 11 G-Wagons.

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You should have considered a Bugatti. That way you'd be "saving" millions instead of thousands.

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Except one of those scenarios was realistic and the other is the random post of an a-hole

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Just pointing out bad math. After a cursory Google search, the average yearly fuel + maintenance savings enjoyed by owning a Tesla model 3 is $300-500.

You'd have to own the car for 20+ years to save "tens of thousands of dollars"

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You simply choose not to read my previous post with any kind of context didn't you. I said I saved tens of thousands of dollars by not choosing another commensurate SUV or pickup that I was looking at (sticker price), not that I'd be saving tens of thousands of dollars on gas alone. But, since we are on the topic, my current SUV ICE gas guzzler did cost me $400/mo in gas. Over a 5-yr time span, it actually does save me tens of thousands of dollars in fuel that I will not be spending moving forward. I know math is hard for you buddy, but you'll get there one day if you keep working at it.

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What you are failing to understand is that "I looked at some luxury SUV's and then bought a sedan to save money" is not materially different from "I looked at a sports car and bought a sedan to save money"

Using your absurd accounting method, you could have "saved" way more by simply "looking at" even more expensive vehicles.

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What you are failing to realize is I understand the difference but literally proved you wrong in two seconds with the gas savings alone vs what I would have paid out of pocket with gas -AND- suv/pickup pricing. Let's take out the suv/pickup since you are getting stuck on that (bless your heart; you really are trying here); I could buy a commensurate ICE sedan and still blow it away in gas savings alone.

Try harder buddy; I know you are really trying to give it your all here.

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Your model 3 will save the average owner $300-500 per year in fuel and maintenance costs. Even if you save 4x the top end of the average you are 5 years away from saving "tens of thousands of dollars" But you already proved to everyone you can't do math, so stop projecting.

I have no idea where you are getting your numbers unless they are using only commercial supercharging rates. Most charging is done at home which is a lot cheaper.

Assuming 12,000 miles per year

Average gas car gets 25-30 mpg
Average gas price $3.50/gal
Total annual cost $1,400-$1,680

Tesla
Based on cost of $0.04/kwh (night rates in parts of the country) to $0.16/kwh
Average 4 miles per kWh

Total cost $120-480

Fuel savings $920-1,560/yr

Maintenance savings reports are $500-1,000/yr but that is a lot more variable depending on what cars are being compared and individual results.

I've gone from four ice vehicles in my driveway to three ice vehicles and one EV and I know which ones cheaper

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Sigh. And it continues.

There simply is no sane rational EVangelist willing to engage in honest conversation without slinging insults.

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The level of self awareness here is off the charts.

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EVangelist is a slur now? I think not. Wear it with pride, man. You changed your name to Teslag.

This is not the gotcha you think it is.

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I have no idea where you are getting your numbers unless they are using only commercial supercharging rates. Most charging is done at home which is a lot cheaper.

Assuming 12,000 miles per year

Average gas car gets 25-30 mpg
Average gas price $3.50/gal
Total annual cost $1,400-$1,680

Tesla
Based on cost of $0.04/kwh (night rates in parts of the country) to $0.16/kwh
Average 4 miles per kWh

Total cost $120-480

Fuel savings $920-1,560/yr

Maintenance savings reports are $500-1,000/yr but that is a lot more variable depending on what cars are being compared and individual results.

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I just performed a quick google search earlier for Model 3 and found the $300-500 average, but my point still stands even if I use the high end of your averages instead.

At 1k per year maintenance savings, and 1.6k per year fuel savings you're still 4 years away from saving ten thousand dollars.

I'm not denying EV maintenance/fuel savings, but I think any rational person would agree the "saving tens of thousands of dollars" thing was a reach and cannot be supported mathematically.

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Sigh. And it continues.

There simply is no sane rational EVangelist willing to engage in honest conversation without slinging insults.

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You have absolutely zero self awareness. Your contributions to threads like this are aggressive lack of knowledge and parroting stories without context, and when provided with context you turn to snark.

No doubt you don't save that much in a year but there are people that put on way more miles per year than the average and for them it can easily save $3-5k per year with at home charging. If you can't charge at home, savings are a lot less and instead of being more convenient and time saving, it is a time suck to charge and unless you live near the charger, it takes longer to get there. Why anyone would buy an EV that can't be charged overnight is beyond me.

That's people neglecting maintenance on things like bearings and wipers.

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Sigh. And it continues.

There simply is no sane rational EVangelist willing to engage in honest conversation without slinging insults.

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The level of self awareness here is off the charts.

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EVangelist is a slur now? I think not. Wear it with pride, man. You changed your name to Teslag.

This is not the gotcha you think it is.

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You know full well you are using it derisively. Don't piss our leg and tell us it's raining.

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Sigh. And it continues.

There simply is no sane rational EVangelist willing to engage in honest conversation without slinging insults.

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The level of self awareness here is off the charts.

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EVangelist is a slur now? I think not. Wear it with pride, man. You changed your name to Teslag.

This is not the gotcha you think it is.

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You know full well you are using it derisively. Don't piss our leg and tell us it's raining.

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Urine trouble now.

Intelligent LLM based conversation coming to Teslas...

This functionality will be there in about 3 months or so

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 18, 2026

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Sigh. And it continues.

There simply is no sane rational EVangelist willing to engage in honest conversation without slinging insults.

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The level of self awareness here is off the charts.

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EVangelist is a slur now? I think not. Wear it with pride, man. You changed your name to Teslag.

This is not the gotcha you think it is.

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You know full well you are using it derisively. Don't piss our leg and tell us it's raining.

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Urine trouble now.

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European cars.

That's a big deal. While I (yet again) won't ever buy a TSLA, I see the mobility of FSD and cybertaxi as a societal/political great thing to see succeed, for the elderly and to reduce drunk driving deaths etc. Heck, if our quasi-illegal Indian 18 wheeler drivers were largely replaced with such AI brain driven 'Tesla semi's' that would be fantastic as well.

I also own TSLA stock as I don't see it as a car company but an entry into his business endeavors (AI, SPCX etc) and it's a good investment imho.

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techno-ag said:

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Sigh. And it continues.

There simply is no sane rational EVangelist willing to engage in honest conversation without slinging insults.

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The level of self awareness here is off the charts.

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EVangelist is a slur now? I think not. Wear it with pride, man. You changed your name to Teslag.

This is not the gotcha you think it is.

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You know full well you are using it derisively. Don't piss our leg and tell us it's raining.

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Urine trouble now.

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European cars.

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incontinental

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Intelligent LLM based conversation coming to Teslas...

This functionality will be there in about 3 months or so

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 18, 2026

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Elon has never severely underestimated a timeline and promised undeliverables before.