Never drove anything with a vertical steering column, I see.

TexasRebel said:

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Never drove anything with a vertical steering column, I see.

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Show me a Tesla Model 3/Y with a vertical steering column. My post was helping someone driving a Tesla remember which button to press without looking at the steering wheel, therefore the upper button matches up on a turn stalk in an equivalent Tesla

I problem solve instead of trolling with extreme edge cases

Do Tesla drivers use their indicators?

I saw a BMW properly signal the other day, so maybe they changed places.

Yes the FSD will signal too

Top reason for me is 1000hp in some models.

tk for tu juan said:

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Collision numbers from Tesla's side:
https://www.tesla.com/fsd/safety

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Charts like this are specious, but since it is a marketing piece it is designed to be.

Most modern vehicles have active safety features, compare to that, not the US average, which includes all vehicles on the road. So again, w/out FSD, Tesla is just a good EV, but not particularly remarkable.

Also, if a vegan, cyclist Tesla drive meets someone, which do they mention first?

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So again, w/out FSD, Tesla is just a good EV, but not particularly remarkable.

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So again, even without FSD the Tesla Model Y was and is one of, if not the, best selling car in the world.

That's remarkable in anyone's book.

That chart compares a Tesla on FSD to a Tesla with active safety features, to a Tesla without active safety features, to the average vehicle. Independent testing of Tesla's active safety features rate their system highly compared to peers with similar features. FSD enabled vs not enabled with active safety features results in a halving of the rate of accidents.

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That chart compares a Tesla on FSD to a Tesla with active safety features, to a Tesla without active safety features, to the average vehicle. Independent testing of Tesla's active safety features rate their system highly compared to peers with similar features. FSD enabled vs not enabled with active safety features results in a halving of the rate of accidents.

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FSD is no doubt awesome. However, the active safety features in many modern automobiles will have similar rates to Tesla, but as would be expected Tesla doesn't show that. It's the FSD that's the differentiator.



Yes it's right there between two Toyotas, so the Rav4 is even more awesome, I guess. If FSD is 14%, sans FSD it would be below the F-150 and above a Honda CRV. So hardly cult status. It's also the most capable EV right now, so EV desire inflates it's sales. As others catch Tesla (and they will, especially in the non FSD space) the popularity will probably dilute a bit.

Still not cult worthy.

So which would be mentioned first? Vegan? Cyclist? Tesla? Quite a quandary I think.

Crossfitter? People who are boycotting the NFL?

What point do you think you're making? Your critique of the chart was that it didn't show a comparison to vehicles with active safety systems. It does. It uses Tesla with active safety systems and with FSD to demonstrate the safety advantage of FSD. That is the point of the chart.

There are already cars in China that on paper do pure EV stuff better than Tesla at a price lower than Tesla. Know what happens there? People pay the premium for Tesla.

Catching Tesla is catching them in self driving technology. "Excluding FSD" is a stupid qualifier. That is the future of transportation. In AI data is king. Tesla as of the beginning of June is accumulating 1 billion miles on FSD every 37 days. Waymo after 6 years of operation is at ~180 million cumulative. They do around 4 million miles a week. Meaning it takes them 5 years at their current rate to match the data collection that Tesla does in a month. The gap in data collection is growing, not shrinking, as Tesla expands into more countries while Waymo is focused on expanding into more U.S. cities.

Really don't understand why people with limited knowledge in a topic feel the need to interject an uninformed opinion about it.

My point is the point I started with and the one you are making. Tesla is fsd. The car part is secondary.

cecil77 said:

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My point is the point I started with and the one you are making. Tesla is fsd. The car part is secondary.

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Which has proven to be ridiculous. The car has no issues selling without it. It has never and does not currently drive sales for Tesla vehicles. The ecosystem of vehicle goes further than FSD. It gets everything right with what an EV needs to be.