I can tell you the cooled seats in the 2024 model 3 are awesome. Better than the cooled seats in our 2026 LX600

Chose to? Or stepped on the pedal unknowingly and panicked?

TexasRebel said:

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Logos Stick said:

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TexasRebel said:

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Seems dangerous to allow the controls to be overridden by someone not paying attention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593

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You said the human is in control, the car is not driving. Now you're treating the human taking control as a flaw. Pick one.

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Since it isn't obvious by now, the flaw is allowing a human to believe the car knows what it's doing at all.

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Tesla requires drivers to pay attention with FSD active. It has an internal camera that makes sure your hands are ready to take over, and that your eyes are on the road. There is no confusion of responsibility, whether or not people absorb that responsibility is an entirely different thing and has nothing to do with whether there's an autonomous driving system. Get a Tesla. Engage FSD. Watch your road partners stare at their phone constantly.

When this guy was flying down a residential street he had a big red warning on the screen and basically a fire alarm going off. It is loud. It is not able to be missed. The overwhelming likelihood (generous interpretation) is he panicked and mistook the accelerator for the brake. The second possibility is he was having a mental health breakdown and did it on purpose.

Clip of what the take over immediately message looks like:

TexasRebel said:

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Chose to? Or stepped on the pedal unknowingly and panicked?

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My guy, maybe it's time to find a hobby? Surely you have something better to do with your limited days on earth than troll about an intentional cruise control override causing an accident?

Surely?

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When this guy was flying down a residential street he had a big red warning on the screen and basically a fire alarm going off. It is loud. It is not able to be missed. The overwhelming likelihood (generous interpretation) is he panicked and mistook the accelerator for the brake. The second possibility is he was having a mental health breakdown and did it on purpose.

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Why doesn't Tesla warn the driver !?!?!?!?!

Naturally, every human is calm and composed when a machine is doing something unexpected.

Sad again for the deceased who was merely sitting in her living room. Again I'd just highlight that TSLA says that even after crashing into the house the accelerator was maximally pressed to the 'floor.' The driver has apparently clammed up about it which is unsurprising. The other option scenario (which has actually played out before) is he could have thought he could frame himself as a victim and sued the mfg/TSLA claiming 'their system almost got me killed.' Auto mfg's as a class have to deal with such litigants on an almost daily basis.

My other politics-related concern is that incidents such as these (not limited to Teslas/EV's etc) will give the nanny state morons impetus to further restrict drivers. There's no way, for instance, to doze off and/or fall asleep with gas on the pedal in a cybercab.

This has nothing to do with Tesla, only made the news because its Tesla. There are cars who kill people running through businesses/homes all the time.

The key take away from this is
#1 - Tesla is about the safest car you can own
#2 - Autonomous cars, no matter who eventually makes them, are many times better than a human driver when you account for all distractions.
#3 - Those who think humans, as a whole, are better drivers are trolls or ignorant.

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Naturally, every human is calm and composed when a machine is doing something unexpected.

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What did the machine do that was "unexpected"?

If the driver wasn't aware that he'd stepped on the pedal, then the car starts yelling at him, the warnings would be unexpected.

I've said from the beginning. None of this should be available for use on public roads until Level 5 - - no intervention necessary.

17 pages of trolling... it's gotta be a new record.

TexasRebel said:

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If the driver wasn't aware that he'd stepped on the pedal, then the car starts yelling at him, the warnings would be unexpected.

I've said from the beginning. None of this should be available for use on public roads until Level 5 - - no intervention necessary.

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So the driver made a mistake, the car did exactly what it's supposed to do and warned the driver, the driver ignored the warning, and the car is still at fault?

These same warnings also happen in my GMC Sierra with adaptive cruise. If it detects a collision or obstruction the heads up display will turn red on the windshield, you'll hear a loud chime, and the seat will literally vibrate. If I panic and press the accelerator I will cause a collision.

Remember this wasn't FSD, but autopilot (basically fancy cruise control). Should we now get rid of all adaptive cruise in GM vehicles?

TexasRebel said:

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If the driver wasn't aware that he'd stepped on the pedal, then the car starts yelling at him, the warnings would be unexpected.

I've said from the beginning. None of this should be available for use on public roads until Level 5 - - no intervention necessary.

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You're 100% right. You should run for office on a "make cruise control illegal" platform. Why restrict your brilliance to texags? You should show the whole country how smart you are.

Yes.

Pay attention when you're driving!

TexasRebel said:

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Yes.

Pay attention when you're driving!

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Good point. We should also make manual transmissions illegal. We need no distractions while driving.

Anything else?

This particular situation is comparable to cruise control - nobody would ever freak out during cruise control and mash the gas and keep it there increasing speed on a residential street from 35 to 70 mph. Just like cruise control, a tap on the break would have disabled FSD. Also a manual turn of the steering wheel disables FSD. This is either a one in a million freak accident by a clueless driver or intentional.

This is such a non-story. The Tesla driver did something stupid, crashed his car, killed a person, and now wants to lay blame on someone else.

Tsla has all the data and would easily prove that the dude needs to spend some time for manslaughter.

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Yes.

Pay attention when you're driving!

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Good point. We should also make manual transmissions illegal. We need no distractions while driving.

Anything else?

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This is backwards. Knowing which gear you're in is not a distraction.

TexasRebel said:

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If the driver wasn't aware that he'd stepped on the pedal, then the car starts yelling at him, the warnings would be unexpected.

I've said from the beginning. None of this should be available for use on public roads until Level 5 - - no intervention necessary.

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This same accident happens all the time no matter what car brand or function. It has nothing to do with the machine, it has to do with a human pressing down on the gas pedal, which all cars have, when they dont intend to.

Funny that no one has picked on the titled comparison to Subaru. Like nose rings and purple hair, Subaru has built a brand off of leftist morons. They would pay for dog turds if the Huffington Post told them to.

TexasRebel said:

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Yes.

Pay attention when you're driving!

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Good point. We should also make manual transmissions illegal. We need no distractions while driving.

Anything else?

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This is backwards. Knowing which gear you're in is not a distraction.

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Changing them is. Both hands need to be on the wheel at all times. And the clutch? That's a whole extra pedal (and you've already told us how confusing pedals can be).

Sorry, autos only. For your safety of course.

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Funny that no one has picked on the titled comparison to Subaru. Like nose rings and purple hair, Subaru has built a brand off of leftist morons. They would pay for dog turds if the Huffington Post told them to.

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Subarus are popular because they are great utilitarian vehicles. Wife, father in law, two friends all own Subarus. Great cars. All wheel drive - I have a steep gravel road and my friends with trucks get stuck. Subaru handles it, no problem. Seats fold down any can load a ton of stuff in it.

Only downside is they are now all lesbians.

Yes, unused controls suddenly thrown into a passenger's face in a life/death situation confuse some people.

Luckily, the clutch pedal is not an unused control.

But the gas pedal did confuse in this situation per you. LOLOLOL

We're almost to page 18.

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TexasRebel said:

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If the driver wasn't aware that he'd stepped on the pedal, then the car starts yelling at him, the warnings would be unexpected.

I've said from the beginning. None of this should be available for use on public roads until Level 5 - - no intervention necessary.

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This same accident happens all the time no matter what car brand or function. It has nothing to do with the machine, it has to do with a human pressing down on the gas pedal, which all cars have, when they dont intend to.

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I'll hypothesize that a person driving who is aware they are in control of the vehicle is less prone to this mistake than a person driving while assuming the vehicle can take care of itself.

No need to hypothesize. The data is already out there.

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JJxvi said:

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TexasRebel said:

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If the driver wasn't aware that he'd stepped on the pedal, then the car starts yelling at him, the warnings would be unexpected.

I've said from the beginning. None of this should be available for use on public roads until Level 5 - - no intervention necessary.

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This same accident happens all the time no matter what car brand or function. It has nothing to do with the machine, it has to do with a human pressing down on the gas pedal, which all cars have, when they dont intend to.

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I'll hypothesize that a person driving who is aware they are in control of the vehicle is less prone to this mistake than a person driving while assuming the vehicle can take care of itself.

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He was on autopilot, not FSD. The vehicle would not "take care of itself" in that situation and he shouldn't presume it would. Tesla has never made the claim that autopilot is self driving, nor remotely autonomous.

Logos Stick said:

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17 pages of trolling. disagreement .. it's gotta be a new record.

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So they both don't work.

So per the TexasRebel hypothesis, using cruise control should lead to many more accidents where people stomp and hold down the accelerator and eventually crash, versus people who don't use cruise control.

TexasRebel said:

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So they both don't work.

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Autopilot works perfectly as designed.

As my drill sergeant used to say at the range "that weapon isnt ****ed up, you're ****ed up and never forget that".

I'm sure there is a subset of people who don't understand how cruise control works.

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No need to hypothesize. The data is already out there.

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You're right. Data is here and he appears to be correct about that. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9996345/

It does cause complacency.

Logos Stick said:

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So per the TexasRebel hypothesis, using cruise control should lead to many more accidents where people stomp and hold down the accelerator and eventually crash, versus people who don't use cruise control.

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Well it's the same guy who replaces his AC compressor, radiator, radio, airbags, alternator, and everything else at 3 years or 36k miles just because.

So go figure.