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Pumpkinhead said:

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I don't think everyone is safe on this yet, and if it continues to suck up oxygen in the room that Trump may still ultimately conclude it's best to fire somebody to move on from this (Waltz being most likely).

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Oh, agree. Because it's not clear could not do much better. But it's going to depend on if some of the posts and links here indicating to some degree artificially engineered to take advantage of a weakness; pan out. Because that changes the narrative.

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the thing about this is, Trump did nothing wrong - fire Pete and this passes in a day. Do you know how many Trump loving 44 yo male military guys have more experience than Pete? I would guess at least 1,500…and they all hate DEI. They might be missing the Fox News credentials.

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I think we all understand that the ultimate goal of this story was to get at least one of Trump's appointees fired.

The media did that numerous times the last time he was in office.

There were a number of people that ****ed up. But, I don't think any of them committed fireable offenses.

If anything, WALZ is the one that would need to go, since it appears he was the one who added Goldberg.

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Maybe…It needed to be brought up, maybe not in a news article, but someone with some authority needed to know the SECDEF is making mistakes like a guy out of basic. I've actually never seen anyone be this stupid with classified information, so no disrespect to all the new boot camp grads.

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I was a fed Leo for 16 years and had a TS/SCI and people were very lax when handling classified information and routinely did business on personal devices.

This is a nothingburger.

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yes, people are lax often…but they usually make take the effort to create the classified on unclass…that takes a lot of effort and time. And it's usually not the guy in charge of the whole deal.

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Which info was classified?

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if you were an F-18 pilot going against potential Iranian SAMs provided to the Houthis, which part would you want to be classified ?

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So nothing was classified, noted.

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Have you not read anything on this topic? Anyone with a clearance would agree this is classified before an operation.

Godspeed to our Warriors," he wrote.

"1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)"

"1345: 'Trigger Based' F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)"

"1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)"

"1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier 'Trigger Based' targets)"

Not surprised

You want to know how thirsty the legacy media is for a Trump controversy? CNN just created an AI audio recording of the Signal group chat.

I'm not kidding. pic.twitter.com/yWltuTRtv4

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) March 27, 2025

Tried talking about this story, but Collins wasn't having it.

MUST WATCH: VA Secretary Doug Collins just gave a masterclass in how to deal with the fake news hoaxers.

This is glorious pic.twitter.com/VzZPsAR2l2

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) March 27, 2025

Logos Stick said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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But what info was classified? Do you know for sure something was classified? Are you just assuming something was?

It wasn't classified that we had a carrier group there. It wasnt classified we struck the houthis not very long ago. It wasnt classified we shot down one of our own jets recently. It wasn't classified we having a little fight or doing the things like moving assets into the region.

Do you have proof said chat group was infiltrated by a foreign power or malicious actors? Or just the guy who was erroneously invited?

Do you know how widespread the use of such chat programs is across every single govt agency? Because it's very very widespread.
Just pointing out youre making a lot of assumptions and then arguing about your assumptions.

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Politics 101 Damage Control Playbook:

1) Fake News!
2) Whataboutism (but what about when the other side did [insert a mistake made by other side])
3) Attack the Messenger (he/she is a despicable person)
4) Minimize (eh, nothing burger)

Good choice with a combination of options 1 & 4

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Lefties should learn the meaning of the idiotic fallacy term they made up.

"Whataboutism" would be when a person tries to justify current behavior based on past similar behavior by someone else.

Conservatives are not trying to justify the behavior based on what Dementia Joe did. They are telling libs to shut their corrupt, degenerate pieholes about it because they don't have a leg to stand on.

One of your fellow lefties accused me of whataboutism when he made the claim that past admins would have acted immediately to dismiss the responsible party. I responded with numerous examples of past incidents much worse than the current incident where no one was dismissed. The lefty then yells "whataboutism". Complete ****ing ******ation and fully expected from the left. You don't understand your own lexicon.

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We have seen plenty of whataboutism here. Well, maybe not by Conservatives, but by Trump's Pre-tend Conservative Cult.

For example, that Biden approved the use of Signal. Others include that Signal has been used by the government since 2014. And lots of whataboutism involving Hillary's server. And then, the "it wasn't classified".

Like it or not there is plenty of whataboutism from the left and right.

Perhaps some meetings of the big MSM firms should be snooped on. You might hear amazing things --- like the last time Project Veritas did many years ago now.

It should be noted that Hillary's use of her e-mail server to privately handle government communications back then and the use of Signal to handle government communications now are very similar. In both cases, those involved were using unapproved and insecure methods to replace the far more secure methods that were approved.

Its not Whataboutism to point out the different standards that are being enforced here.

You know our country is heading in the right direction when this is all the left has

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Tried talking about this story, but Collins wasn't having it.

MUST WATCH: VA Secretary Doug Collins just gave a masterclass in how to deal with the fake news hoaxers.

This is glorious pic.twitter.com/VzZPsAR2l2

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) March 27, 2025

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This is awesome.

How about we have our own standard and allow the dems to fade far far away. Instead we put a one star recruit in at qb and he butt fumbles the first snap.

oh my God… that was magnificent

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Dude you're just trying too hard. Your bias is weighing you down. Lessons will be learned, people will be corrected and everyone will move forward. Nobody needs to be fired over this. Calm down.

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I haven't posted that I think anybody should be fired.

I posted in a post or two that it wouldn't surprise me if somebody ultimately did get fired. Depends how how long this has legs. But I am not advocating that.

But I also don't think this was a 'nothing burger' f*** up by particularly Waltz. I have tremendous respect for Waltz's military service and background from I've read about him, but it was a pretty embarrassing and notable f*** up adding a rabid left wing journalist (of all people) to such a confidential chat thread and he deserved to at least get flogged a bit for it. And it was something that can't be allowed to happen again.

And I think it is almost certainly true that a lower level staffer would get fired. But Waltz is a top level guy and much better chance to survive the heat.

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It should be noted that Hillary's use of her e-mail server to privately handle government communications back then and the use of Signal to handle government communications now are very similar. In both cases, those involved were using unapproved and insecure methods to replace the far more secure methods that were approved.

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And Hilary should have been held accountable. But since the FBI were cowards, they set a precedent. Idiots.

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Then, remember when bidens sec def went ****ing missing because he didn't tell Biden or anyone he was having surgery? Remember that **** up?

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Barely even discussed here but if it happened now, oh dear Lord it would be a thread rivaling this one. The fact is one admin had their media lapdogs covering for them and the other has watchdogs ready to rip into any story to tear it to threads.

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Dude you're just trying too hard. Your bias is weighing you down. Lessons will be learned, people will be corrected and everyone will move forward. Nobody needs to be fired over this. Calm down.

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I haven't posted that I think anybody should be fired.

I posted in a post or two that it wouldn't surprise me if somebody ultimately did get fired. Depends how how long this has legs. But I am not advocating that.

But I also don't think this was a 'nothing burger' f*** up by particularly Waltz. I have tremendous respect for Waltz's military service and background from I've read about him, but it was a pretty embarrassing and notable f*** up adding a rabid left wing journalist (of all people) to such a confidential chat thread and he deserved to at least get flogged a bit for it. And it was something that can't be allowed to happen again.

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Well unfortunately for your side, I don't think anyone is gonna be executed over this and other than that, I don't know what is gonna make you happy. After all the crap your dems have gotten away with over the years, there's not too many on here that are going to join your vendetta, just your brethren. So just continue crying and ranting about this and let us know how far it gets you.

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eric76 said:

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It should be noted that Hillary's use of her e-mail server to privately handle government communications back then and the use of Signal to handle government communications now are very similar. In both cases, those involved were using unapproved and insecure methods to replace the far more secure methods that were approved.

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And Hilary should have been held accountable. But since the FBI were cowards, they set a precedent. Idiots.

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Yes -- she should have been held accountable.

I don't think that she set a precedent, though.

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Dude you're just trying too hard. Your bias is weighing you down. Lessons will be learned, people will be corrected and everyone will move forward. Nobody needs to be fired over this. Calm down.

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I haven't posted that I think anybody should be fired.

I posted in a post or two that it wouldn't surprise me if somebody ultimately did get fired. Depends how how long this has legs. But I am not advocating that.

But I also don't think this was a 'nothing burger' f*** up by particularly Waltz. I have tremendous respect for Waltz's military service and background from I've read about him, but it was a pretty embarrassing and notable f*** up adding a rabid left wing journalist (of all people) to such a confidential chat thread and he deserved to at least get flogged a bit for it. And it was something that can't be allowed to happen again.

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Well unfortunately for your side, I don't think anyone is gonna be executed over this and other than that, I don't know what is gonna make you happy. After all the crap your dems have gotten away with over the years, there's not too many on here that are going to join your vendetta, just your brethren. So just continue crying and ranting about this and let us know how far it gets you.

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I am happy Trump best Kamala. 'My side' isn't the left. I am a right of center type. I probably would only look 'left' to someone who was hanging off the end of the right wing of the airplane.

They think anyone with rational takes that don't align with theirs must be dems/leftists lol

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But what info was classified? Do you know for sure something was classified? Are you just assuming something was?

It wasn't classified that we had a carrier group there. It wasnt classified we struck the houthis not very long ago. It wasnt classified we shot down one of our own jets recently. It wasn't classified we having a little fight or doing the things like moving assets into the region.

Do you have proof said chat group was infiltrated by a foreign power or malicious actors? Or just the guy who was erroneously invited?

Do you know how widespread the use of such chat programs is across every single govt agency? Because it's very very widespread.
Just pointing out youre making a lot of assumptions and then arguing about your assumptions.

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Politics 101 Damage Control Playbook:

1) Fake News!
2) Whataboutism (but what about when the other side did [insert a mistake made by other side])
3) Attack the Messenger (he/she is a despicable person)
4) Minimize (eh, nothing burger)

Good choice with a combination of options 1 & 4

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Lefties should learn the meaning of the idiotic fallacy term they made up.

"Whataboutism" would be when a person tries to justify current behavior based on past similar behavior by someone else.

Conservatives are not trying to justify the behavior based on what Dementia Joe did. They are telling libs to shut their corrupt, degenerate pieholes about it because they don't have a leg to stand on.

One of your fellow lefties accused me of whataboutism when he made the claim that past admins would have acted immediately to dismiss the responsible party. I responded with numerous examples of past incidents much worse than the current incident where no one was dismissed. The lefty then yells "whataboutism". Complete ****ing ******ation and fully expected from the left. You don't understand your own lexicon.

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Excellent and worth the time to read. From Town Hall-

"They cry, "Whataboutism!"

Whataboutism is a moral necessity. There can be only one set of rules. To voluntarily accept a two-tiered system is to accept your own servitude. We're not doing that anymore. That's done. That was a different kind of Republican. Those guys had their shot. They gave us Iraq, the Wall Street meltdown, and Barack Obama. They failed. We're going to do something different. We're going to win.

And winning requires that we focus our targeting not our own people over invented outrages but the enemy. If there were problems with the Signal chat, they will be fixed. Donald Trump is not losing any of his advisors over this. We're not going to offer any sacrifices to the great goddess of norms on an altar the Democrats long ago desecrated."

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2025/03/25/stop-caring-about-the-silly-signal-non-scandal-n2654458

Just like falling for the "reaching across the aisle" crap when R's are IN power even though it never happens when R's are the minority party.


Like seeing this

"We're not going to offer any sacrifices to the great goddess of norms on an altar the Democrats long ago desecrated."

Timetable of cope over Signal scandal:

"It didn't happen, the journalist is lying"

"It may have happened, but the journalist is a bad person"

"OK, it happened, but the information discussed wasn't all that important"

"OK, they did discuss specific attack plans and gave a timetable for the attacks, but that lying horrible journalist who is publishing the transcript of the chat is spreading classified information, and this proves that he's as horrible as we said he is"

"OK, it's true that administration officials said yesterday that nothing classified was discussed in the chat, so I guess the horrible lying journalist isn't spreading classified information"

"I have not been moving the goalposts, libtard"

On the bright side, whatever insignificant BS keeps you libs distracted from all the illegals being deported and all the government DOGE is cutting is OK in my book.

If this is the most serious cluster*****the Administration is involved in, I'll take it.

Democrats are a train wreck and getting worse by the day. Libs will have accept that. They can't get rid of the squalor in their party, much less build their party up to any sense of normalcy. All they can do is try to drag the republicans down to their level.

Are we still raging today?

All the acting out is hilarious. Complete nothingburger.

Glad they can fix this early in administration.
No next time though.
Bombings were successful and no one hurt on our side.
Stay on your toes - hats your job. Fix the errors.
And practice need to know- eff the media

Mark my words this is going to boil down to someone at Booz Allen that has access to a back door to Signal that is maintained by Booz Allen altered the chat guest list just to screw with Trump. Booz Allen is full of wannabe Snowdens who think they are saving the world.

I hope they find whatever official in the Biden administration made Signal a preferred app for executive branch appointees to communicate on (Snowden himself recommended it, fwiw).

Notably, the Atlantic isn't touting this storyline about it being the 'gold standard' I guess, any longer:

The Atlantic revealed no terrorist, no target, no classified information and no “war” plans.
Interestingly enough in 2017 The Atlantic claimed Signal was the “Gold Standard” of encrypted messaging. In 2024 under the Biden administration, CISA released its "Mobile Communications… pic.twitter.com/w6lykWUtyG

— Nonickname Steve (@NonicknameTX) March 26, 2025

I haven't skimmed the thread even this am, but I bet none of our resident dem/TDS/very concerned posters have acknowledged that either.

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They think anyone with rational takes that don't align with theirs must be dems/leftists lol

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It appears to be the case, unfortunately. When you call something what it is, like an apple an apple, and Trump disagrees, his supporters fiercely defend that stance. It resembles a cult-like mentality.

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I hope they find whatever official in the Biden administration made Signal a preferred app for executive branch appointees to communicate on (Snowden himself recommended it, fwiw).

Notably, the Atlantic isn't touting this storyline about it being the 'gold standard' I guess, any longer:

The Atlantic revealed no terrorist, no target, no classified information and no “war” plans.
Interestingly enough in 2017 The Atlantic claimed Signal was the “Gold Standard” of encrypted messaging. In 2024 under the Biden administration, CISA released its "Mobile Communications… pic.twitter.com/w6lykWUtyG

— Nonickname Steve (@NonicknameTX) March 26, 2025

I haven't skimmed the thread even this am, but I bet none of our resident dem/TDS/very concerned posters have acknowledged that either.

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yes, Signal is the gold standard for communicating UNCLASSIFIED. Why is this hard to understand?

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will25u said:

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Tried talking about this story, but Collins wasn't having it.

MUST WATCH: VA Secretary Doug Collins just gave a masterclass in how to deal with the fake news hoaxers.

This is glorious pic.twitter.com/VzZPsAR2l2

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) March 27, 2025

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This is awesome.

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Can you imagine what they are screaming in that dumb bimbo's earpiece the whole time? I wish we had that transcript.

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yes, Signal is the gold standard for communicating UNCLASSIFIED. Why is this hard hard to understand?

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It's been stated countless times that the info wasn't classified. Why is this so hard to understand?

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yes, Signal is the gold standard for communicating UNCLASSIFIED. Why is this hard hard to understand?

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It's been stated countless times that the info wasn't classified. Why is this so hard to understand?

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It appears to be nothing more than a self serving statement made to try to minimize the seriousness of the info.

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Equinox said:

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yes, Signal is the gold standard for communicating UNCLASSIFIED. Why is this hard hard to understand?

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It's been stated countless times that the info wasn't classified. Why is this so hard to understand?

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It appears to be nothing more than a self serving statement made to try to minimize the seriousness of the info.

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The other appears to be nothing more than a self serving statement made to try to maximize the seriousness of the handwringing and fingerpointing.

Equinox said:

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Fdsa said:

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yes, Signal is the gold standard for communicating UNCLASSIFIED. Why is this hard hard to understand?

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It's been stated countless times that the info wasn't classified. Why is this so hard to understand?

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who said it was unclassified?