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It happens all the time. I have contacts on my phone that I've never talked to before in my life, but they were on my wife's phone from 10 years ago. This is just a desperate attempt at a "gotcha", and really the first one of this administration that isn't clinging on to a loser of a position like not deporting gang killers or forcing men into womens sports.

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Are you comparing your wife's contact list to people discussing war plans?

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The conjecture was that there is no way contacts would be on the phone without putting it there, read the context.

This whole thing wreaks of desperation. It's a minor f up with 0 real consequences from the f up that we would never hear about under the Biden or Obama admin. It's a procedural issue that needs to be addressed, and that is all.

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Were mistakes made? Yes. Clean them up and create safeguards so that it won't happen again. Review anything that was approved policy under the Biden administration. Let the left blow their stacks as long as they want but this administration has to keep its eyes on the goal. Keep punching hard and fast. Move on and keep doing the work Americans elected the president to do.

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This is exactly what the left doesn't want which is why they are trying to turn this into Russiagate 2.0 and now they have Boasberg as their "Mueller time." It's ****ing pathetic.

Good news is nobody watches the legacy media anymore and this admin will continue to move forward and the liberals here can continue to b**** and moan, especially when that clown court hopefully gets defunded.

Libs, go back to what you do best: cheer on Palestine and continuing forever wars, fire bomb Tesla dealerships, and crying over deported TdA and MS-13 gang rapists and murderers being deported. It's really resonating with people, especially the younger voters.

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My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!

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So to recap, the US VP, SecDef, and other cabinet level officials used a method of communication to discuss battle plans, share attack specs including targets, timing, and armaments, and did it over a channel that is not subject to Information Retention standards or approved as a secure method. The information they shared was only to be shared from within a SCIF.

And the kicker is that one of them accidentally added a reporter and NOBODY ****ING NOTICED.

AND ALL THAT COMFORTS YOU?! YOUR ONLY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE JOURNALISTS ETHICS?!

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You seem VERY upset about all of this. Why do you think that is? Because this has very little to do with your daily life, does it?

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If I search your posts, I won't see you post about anything that doesn't impact your daily life? You only discuss matters that affect you personally?

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You're more enraged about this than anything I've commented on in decades on TexAgs. Why?

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Oh you're concerned about my well being. That's nice. I promise I'm ok.

At least one official needs to be tried for Espionage, this isn't a small little mistake, its a big one that should've never been made.

TheRealJacob said:

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At least one official needs to be tried for Espionage, this isn't a small little mistake, its a big one that should've never been made.

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Laughable.

I see you've been banned for trolling before. And that you loathe Trump. Are you sure your opinion on this isn't a tad swayed by your hatred for Trump?

TheRealJacob said:

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At least one official needs to be tried for Espionage, this isn't a small little mistake, its a big one that should've never been made.

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this post proves this thread has jumped the shark.

Potentially more serious is if it means it was deliberate on the part of a staffer, and a failure to fire all hired by the OBidens like a Ciarmella took place. There is a little bit of indication in support of this speculation at this point (the claim none knew him as a `contact', so wouldn't have in contacts to `mistakenly' add--but that is a thin basis. All you would need is his name to be there for any purpose and the mistake can happen)

The security slip is easily fixed, especially if Elon is going to look at it.

What it reveals about the decision making is actually even good, as others noted. This admin is not going to stumble into a global war. If it happens, it will be cause others overseas pushed for it.

If it is just a stupid error, its a cautionary warning that the admin needs to back off from any tendency to reflexively distort. Just downplay, do not mis-represent. Outright misstatements and poorly thought-out CYA are harder to walk back then just failing to care as much as another `claims' to does.

Which brings to `claims' -- for the outrage is mostly faux. A party and press that was fine with a wide open border is not the least bit worried about security for real.

I say that regardless of political party, I don't hate Trump, I just don't think his cabinet is experienced enough.

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TheRealJacob said:

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At least one official needs to be tried for Espionage, this isn't a small little mistake, its a big one that should've never been made.

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this post proves we have jumped the shark.

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It proves that poster has.

TheRealJacob said:

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At least one official needs to be tried for Espionage, this isn't a small little mistake, its a big one that should've never been made.

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And no, I have not been banned for trolling before.

Probably a nothing burger but they're a bunch dumbs, all of them.

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My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!

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Glad you mentioned that. From a historical point of view this `leak' is a golden glimpse into this particular admin's Executive process, and it actually looks very good. So what it reveals about the how decisions are made is encouraging and looks rational. That's a big deal.

So what really is the issue is a certain breach and if idiocy or something more than that was involved.
Especially in the digital comm age its very easy to fall prey to the ever moving target of security with such technology. Its not for the topmost guy to understand the equivalents of the intricacies of just which type of radar or exploder primer to put on ordnance. That's what competent subordinates specialized in it are suppose to get right. Which is to say its not clear how much is directly on Waltz other than the basic idea of final responsibility. If the prior admin recommended this, depending how much those on the inside really, really do distrust everyone before as plotter (clearly they don't and that trend is very recent in our history to have to doubt everything the prior admin passes on) -- can see why it wasn't immediately transformed. Another thing -- that no one seems to have known him in a contact sense, does make the idea a staffer may have deliberately added as an `insider' leak is not all that crazy and would check many of the boxes seeing.

Bu

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If it's "very easy" to fall prey to something like this why is there virtually no precedent of something like this ever happening? Saying this is a good look at how the administration operates is a laughable take away from this complete embarrassment.

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And no, I have not been banned for trolling before.

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TheRealJacob
In reply to Slicer97 2:50p, 3/19/25

[BOLD TO ADMIT THAT YOU'RE TROLLING. ENJOY THE REST OF THE NIGHT OFF. -STAFF]


https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3533732/replies/69868280

TheRealJacob said:

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I say that regardless of political party, I don't hate Trump, I just don't think his cabinet is experienced enough.

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A risk currently worth taking considering how many `experienced' seem invested in generating color revolutions or even just bald faced conflict profiteering.

TheRealJacob said:

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I say that regardless of political party, I don't hate Trump, I just don't think his cabinet is experienced enough.

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People don't need experience to know to double check what they're doing.

Now, is this an earth shattering thing that happened? No.

Should it not have happened? Yes.

Will those involved in this mistake make extra sure that it never happens again? Yes.

And that's pretty much all that needs to be said about this matter.

TheRealJacob said:

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At least one official needs to be tried for Espionage, this isn't a small little mistake, its a big one that should've never been made.

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Please explain how this was Espionage? No damaging information was disclosed. I think you should take two valium and chill TF out.

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What is classified about a carrier is going to launch f18s and use drones and tomahawk missiles? This is all publicly available info as far as assets on a carrier. The timing info is useless without target or location. Should the journo be in the group? No. That is the only issue. The click baity "war plans" talking point was so gleefully spread that it kills this story.

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Imagine what we could have done with that knowledge on December 7, 1941.

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They had as much at the time and did nothing. Roosevelt was warned in a memo from naval intelligence that Tokyo's military and spy network was focused on Hawaii, it contained the same level of intelligence at that time.


Poor analogy

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If it's "very easy" to fall prey to something like this why is there virtually no precedent of something like this ever happening? Saying this is a good look at how the administration operates is a laughable take away from this complete embarrassment.

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What's laughable is thinking there is any real precedent for such immediate internal communications being simultaneously in use at large. The very nature of the scew up comes from the moving target that is present-day apps. What was reasonably secure even two years ago no longer is, and so on.

As for the value or not of an `inside' look, stand by it. You mileage may vary.

TheRealJacob said:

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I say that regardless of political party, I don't hate Trump, I just don't think his cabinet is experienced enough.

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TheRealJacob said:

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I say that regardless of political party, I don't hate Trump, I just don't think his cabinet is experienced enough.

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Dude, your entire posting history says otherwise.

If you want to be a leftist, that is your right, but don't try to claim you're not when we can all see what positions you've taken since joining TA.

I know this is a bi-partisan problem but people don't understand accountability these days. We love to blame millennials for this kind of crap but these are grown men and women trying their best to shift blame all over the place in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Blame the reporter
Blame some junior staffer
Claim there was nothing important in the text
Blame Biden for approving the use of Signal
Blame Hillary for whatever she did
Claim it was a brilliant insight into the workings of the administration

Did I miss anything?

rootube said:

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I know this is a bi-partisan problem but people don't understand accountability these days. We love to blame millennials for this kind of crap but these are grown men and women trying their best to shift blame all over the place in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Blame the reporter
Blame some junior staffer
Claim there was nothing important in the text
Blame Biden for approving the use of Signal [Misunderstands the continuity argument]
Blame Hillary for whatever she did [Irrelevant]
Claim it was a brilliant insight into the workings of the administration * (see below)

Did I miss anything?

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Not really, except that we don't know for sure that the italics are not *true* rather than being certain they are excuses.

For example, that an insider in the staff deliberately did this is far from ruled out imo. Which in turn would make all the reactions and denials more true than not---they wouldn't be lying.

* Note -- that is not a `shift of blame'. Read it again. Its a comment that says the mistake revealed also good. I am a glass half full person.

rootube said:

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I know this is a bi-partisan problem but people don't understand accountability these days. We love to blame millennials for this kind of crap but these are grown men and women trying their best to shift blame all over the place in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Blame the reporter
Blame some junior staffer
Claim there was nothing important in the text
Blame Biden for approving the use of Signal
Blame Hillary for whatever she did
Claim it was a brilliant insight into the workings of the administration

Did I miss anything?

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Obsess and rant over it all you want. Lesson learned. This administration will fix the problem and move on to the work they were elected to do.

rootube said:

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I know this is a bi-partisan problem but people don't understand accountability these days. We love to blame millennials for this kind of crap but these are grown men and women trying their best to shift blame all over the place in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Blame the reporter
Blame some junior staffer
Claim there was nothing important in the text
Blame Biden for approving the use of Signal
Blame Hillary for whatever she did
Claim it was a brilliant insight into the workings of the administration

Did I miss anything?

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Nope, that pretty much saves people from needing to read through twenty pages of posts.

I find it humorous that libs are citing accountability. Now they seem to know what it means. It will be fixed and Trump will move on. Sorry.

TheRealJacob said:

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At least one official needs to be tried for Espionage, this isn't a small little mistake, its a big one that should've never been made.

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Espionage would require intent to spy...

No one here intended that. Well, except Goldberg since he knew he shouldn't have been in the chat but he stayed in to see what they were saying...

Try again.

rgvag11 said:

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I doubt most Americans will see the distinction.

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I doubt most American will see the DISTRACTION.



Dems just boiling up their hate cauldron.

Learn from it, move on.

zephyr88 said:

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rgvag11 said:

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I doubt most Americans will see the distinction.

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I doubt most American will see the DISTRACTION.



Dems just boiling up their hate cauldron.

Learn from it, move on.

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This. Voters don't care about this stuff, the election proves it

rootube said:

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titan said:

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Ag in Tiger Country said:

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My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!

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Glad you mentioned that. From a historical point of view this `leak' is a golden glimpse into this particular admin's Executive process, and it actually looks very good. So what it reveals about the how decisions are made is encouraging and looks rational. That's a big deal.

So what really is the issue is a certain breach and if idiocy or something more than that was involved.
Especially in the digital comm age its very easy to fall prey to the ever moving target of security with such technology. Its not for the topmost guy to understand the equivalents of the intricacies of just which type of radar or exploder primer to put on ordnance. That's what competent subordinates specialized in it are suppose to get right. Which is to say its not clear how much is directly on Waltz other than the basic idea of final responsibility. If the prior admin recommended this, depending how much those on the inside really, really do distrust everyone before as plotter (clearly they don't and that trend is very recent in our history to have to doubt everything the prior admin passes on) -- can see why it wasn't immediately transformed. Another thing -- that no one seems to have known him in a contact sense, does make the idea a staffer may have deliberately added as an `insider' leak is not all that crazy and would check many of the boxes seeing.

Bu

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If it's "very easy" to fall prey to something like this why is there virtually no precedent of something like this ever happening? Saying this is a good look at how the administration operates is a laughable take away from this complete embarrassment.

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We don't know if it's happened before because no journalist on the left (which is almost all of them) would ever disclose it. Did you read the wikileaks e-mail dump? They cede full editorial control to the Dems. That's a complete embarrassment as well. Watchdogs for R's and lapdogs for D's.

zephyr88 said:

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rgvag11 said:

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I doubt most Americans will see the distinction.

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I doubt most American will see the DISTRACTION.



Dems just boiling up their hate cauldron.

Learn from it, move on.

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They have a lot of pent up anger and frustration because Trump has been handing them their heads for the past two months. Based on the number of lefty's replying on this thread, they needed an outlet to vent and relieve the stress. Hope they feel better now.

I believe the Trump administration will learn a valuable lesson, correct the problem, and keep right on rolling doing the work of the American people.

I wanted to wait to actually read the messages since I knew they would come out. This actually reminds me of the Ukraine call with Trump in the first term where they tried to make it into some crazy call and then you see it and it was "um, ok".

There were no surprises and it was actually impressive to see the level of dialogue between the different people. They allowed differing opinions and spoke with candor. The closest thing to something sensitive was mentioning how the planes and missiles had flown but since there was nothing about where they were from or where they were going even if the Houthis had been directly on that chain it wouldn't have done them much good. It's not like it was a surprise the attack happened, they knew it was coming because that was public information.

It certainly does demonstrate something odd happened here though. It doesn't sound like Waltz intended to add this reporter as it would make zero sense. The reporter also lied repeatedly about what was in the messages base on what has been released, especially the "lives were at risk" stuff and insinuating a confidential source in the field was in danger.

In the end the MSM is going to MSM. They hate Trump and they are going to clutch pearls and have pretend outrage without context. It's what they do. Trump needs to just keep moving forward now, there really isn't much left to say.

Ag87H2O said:

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zephyr88 said:

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rgvag11 said:

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I doubt most Americans will see the distinction.

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I doubt most American will see the DISTRACTION.



Dems just boiling up their hate cauldron.

Learn from it, move on.

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They have a lot of pent up anger and frustration because Trump has been handing them their heads for the past two months. Based on the number of lefty's replying on this thread, they needed an outlet to vent and relieve the stress. Hope they feel better now.

I believe the Trump administration will learn a valuable lesson, correct the problem, and keep right on rolling doing the work of the American people.

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This times 1000. I guarantee most of them avoided this forum like the plague until they finally had something to gloat about...sad.

titan said:

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rootube said:

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I know this is a bi-partisan problem but people don't understand accountability these days. We love to blame millennials for this kind of crap but these are grown men and women trying their best to shift blame all over the place in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Blame the reporter
Blame some junior staffer
Claim there was nothing important in the text
Blame Biden for approving the use of Signal [Misunderstands the continuity argument]
Blame Hillary for whatever she did [Irrelevant]
Claim it was a brilliant insight into the workings of the administration * (see below)

Did I miss anything?

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Not really, except that we don't know for sure that the italics are not *true* rather than being certain they are excuses.

For example, that an insider in the staff deliberately did this is far from ruled out imo. Which in turn would make all the reactions and denials more true than not---they wouldn't be lying.

* Note -- that is not a `shift of blame'. Read it again. Its a comment that says the mistake revealed also good. I am a glass half full person.

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I will agree that if you can set aside the fact that this should never have happened what was said was fine. The only person I personally agreed with on those texts was JD Vance who questioned why we were even doing this in the first place.


As for your second claim, you are wrong. In order to assert that this was some kind of inside job (which is what I think you are suggesting) the burden of proof is on the person making those claims. Currently there is zero evidence of this. Suggesting there is a possibility with zero evidence is just just looking for cover. Even if there was something a leader is accountable for everyone under him including the most junior person.

Being lectured by the party who ran a shadow government for the past 4 years seems quite rich to me.