What's the objective here? Trump has already said no one is resigning or being fired, and if needed he could always just pardon any of them charged with something.

It's time to just ignore these clowns.

FrioAg 00 said:

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What's the objective here? Trump has already said no one is resigning or being fired, and if needed he could always just pardon any of them charged with something.

It's time to just ignore these clowns.

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Which clowns? The clowns in the press or the White House clowns who can't manage operational security?

torrid said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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What's the objective here? Trump has already said no one is resigning or being fired, and if needed he could always just pardon any of them charged with something.

It's time to just ignore these clowns.

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Which clowns? The clowns in the press or the White House clowns who can't manage operational security?

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Which White House?

The one that had an operational security issue that had zero effect on operations itself, and in which all military objectives were achieved with zero casualties?

Or the one that had no operational security issues (that we know of), but the operation itself unnecessarily resulted in 13 US casualties, 75 US wounded, and over 170 civilian casualties?

We can do this all day.

nortex97 said:

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I hope they find whatever official in the Biden administration made Signal a preferred app for executive branch appointees to communicate on (Snowden himself recommended it, fwiw).

Notably, the Atlantic isn't touting this storyline about it being the 'gold standard' I guess, any longer:

The Atlantic revealed no terrorist, no target, no classified information and no “war” plans.
Interestingly enough in 2017 The Atlantic claimed Signal was the “Gold Standard” of encrypted messaging. In 2024 under the Biden administration, CISA released its "Mobile Communications… pic.twitter.com/w6lykWUtyG

— Nonickname Steve (@NonicknameTX) March 26, 2025

I haven't skimmed the thread even this am, but I bet none of our resident dem/TDS/very concerned posters have acknowledged that either.

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Anything Hakeem Jeffries demands rate denying almost on that basis.

jrdaustin said:

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torrid said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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What's the objective here? Trump has already said no one is resigning or being fired, and if needed he could always just pardon any of them charged with something.

It's time to just ignore these clowns.

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Which clowns? The clowns in the press or the White House clowns who can't manage operational security?

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Which White House?

The one that had an operational security issue that had zero effect on operations itself, and in which all military objectives were achieved with zero casualties?

Or the one that had no operational security issues (that we know of), but the operation itself unnecessarily resulted in 13 US casualties, 75 US wounded, and over 170 civilian casualties?

We can do this all day.

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havent read this thread so maybe this has been discussed - why was an Atlantic editor email address even available to be included?

AgDad121619 said:

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jrdaustin said:

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torrid said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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What's the objective here? Trump has already said no one is resigning or being fired, and if needed he could always just pardon any of them charged with something.

It's time to just ignore these clowns.

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Which clowns? The clowns in the press or the White House clowns who can't manage operational security?

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Which White House?

The one that had an operational security issue that had zero effect on operations itself, and in which all military objectives were achieved with zero casualties?

Or the one that had no operational security issues (that we know of), but the operation itself unnecessarily resulted in 13 US casualties, 75 US wounded, and over 170 civilian casualties?

We can do this all day.

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havent read this thread so maybe this has been discussed - why was an Atlantic editor email address even available to be included?

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Because an app that can run on any iPhone is not a secure communications platform. It might as well be on a server in Hillary's basement.

torrid said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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jrdaustin said:

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torrid said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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What's the objective here? Trump has already said no one is resigning or being fired, and if needed he could always just pardon any of them charged with something.

It's time to just ignore these clowns.

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Which clowns? The clowns in the press or the White House clowns who can't manage operational security?

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Which White House?

The one that had an operational security issue that had zero effect on operations itself, and in which all military objectives were achieved with zero casualties?

Or the one that had no operational security issues (that we know of), but the operation itself unnecessarily resulted in 13 US casualties, 75 US wounded, and over 170 civilian casualties?

We can do this all day.

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havent read this thread so maybe this has been discussed - why was an Atlantic editor email address even available to be included?

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Because an app that can run on any iPhone is not a secure communications platform. It might as well be on a server in Hillary's basement.

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Obama disagrees

AgDad121619 said:

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jrdaustin said:

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torrid said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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What's the objective here? Trump has already said no one is resigning or being fired, and if needed he could always just pardon any of them charged with something.

It's time to just ignore these clowns.

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Which clowns? The clowns in the press or the White House clowns who can't manage operational security?

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Which White House?

The one that had an operational security issue that had zero effect on operations itself, and in which all military objectives were achieved with zero casualties?

Or the one that had no operational security issues (that we know of), but the operation itself unnecessarily resulted in 13 US casualties, 75 US wounded, and over 170 civilian casualties?

We can do this all day.

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havent read this thread so maybe this has been discussed - why was an Atlantic editor email address even available to be included?

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From an interview Walz gave to Laura Ingraham, he had been shared a contact of a senior level official in which Goldberg's number was apparently attached to that person's contact information.

In other words, Walz thought he was inviting an administration official, but in that official's profile was actually Goldberg's number.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Old F-18 fighter pilot here with 80+ combat missions - launch times on a strike mission ARE ABSOLUTELY CLASSIFIED.

— Amy McGrath (@AmyMcGrathKY) March 26, 2025

It's settled when danged ol Amy weighs in.

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Very heavily, I might add!

Quick down and dirty on Signal and security.

More than likely the DoD or government in general are running their own Signal servers.

With a SECURE government cell phone, the phone is ALWAYS(from moment phone is booted) connected via VPN(secure tunnel) to some US government network. Not sure which.

So whether they are on Verizon, Starbucks Wifi, or even Kremlin owned Wifi, there is a secure tunnel back to a known secure network in the US. If the encryption is secure, no amount of packet sniffing, etc is going to allow ANYONE to know what is being transmitted. Only thing visible would be transmitting IP/MAC(which can also be spoofed) and receiving IP address.

Signal itself encrypts all messages with AES-256 as well as other cryptographic algorithms. Cracking AES-256 encryption using brute-force methods with current technology is virtually impossible, requiring an estimated billions of years.

Phone software is also hardened, and only approved applications can be installed. So no going to the Apple/Google store and downloading applications.

So in general Signal as well as secured government phones will be pretty secure.

Adding random people from contacts and human error can decrease the security obviously. And operational information should not have been put out on Signal. But otherwise Signal in this case would be almost completely secure from point to point.

So if the phone number of the journalist was added to the contact card of someone they wanted on the chat, how would anyone on the chat know that this journalist was on the chat if all they could see was the contact names, and my second question is wouldn't the journalist have to have Signal loaded already on his phone in order to successfully enter this VPN secure encrypted call

jrdaustin said:

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torrid said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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What's the objective here? Trump has already said no one is resigning or being fired, and if needed he could always just pardon any of them charged with something.

It's time to just ignore these clowns.

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Which clowns? The clowns in the press or the White House clowns who can't manage operational security?

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Which White House?

The one that had an operational security issue that had zero effect on operations itself, and in which all military objectives were achieved with zero casualties?

Or the one that had no operational security issues (that we know of), but the operation itself unnecessarily resulted in 13 US casualties, 75 US wounded, and over 170 civilian casualties?

We can do this all day.

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I'd prefer we not, it's exhausting but VERY telling that this story continues to drag on as it's literally the ONLY thing Democrats have at this point. They have nothing to sell that's new and certainly nothing good to sell in terms of their track record. This is it so they will squeeze every last drop of it they can.

torrid said:

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FrioAg 00 said:

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What's the objective here? Trump has already said no one is resigning or being fired, and if needed he could always just pardon any of them charged with something.

It's time to just ignore these clowns.

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Which clowns? The clowns in the press or the White House clowns who can't manage operational security?

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The clowns on this thread that keep asking these types of questions.....Trump stated his position, that's the end of it.

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So if the phone number of the journalist was added to the contact card of someone they wanted on the chat, how would anyone on the chat know that this journalist was on the chat if all they could see was the contact names, and my second question is wouldn't the journalist have to have Signal loaded already on his phone in order to successfully enter this VPN secure encrypted call

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As for the first question, my guess is that they wouldn't know. I don't know if they see a contact name when it is added by someone, or if they see a phone number if they don't have the same contact.

As for the second question, you bring up a very intriguing point.

I won't be surprised if this turns out to be a Trojan Horse situation created by either someone from the prior administration, or a current staffer/mole that was working with Goldberg.

Time will tell.

dg77ag said:

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So if the phone number of the journalist was added to the contact card of someone they wanted on the chat, how would anyone on the chat know that this journalist was on the chat if all they could see was the contact names, and my second question is wouldn't the journalist have to have Signal loaded already on his phone in order to successfully enter this VPN secure encrypted call

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Yes. The journalist had Signal on his phone. If he didn't change his profile picture, the initials for first and last name are displayed.

So in this instance, Jeffery Goldberg(if he used his name) would show up to everyone as JG in chat. But you can put whatever you want as your first/last name.

To know who JG is, you would have to go to their profile and if it were true, it would say Jeffery Goldberg. If they wanted to be deceitful, they could put Pete Hegseth etc as their name and unless you knew the true username of Pete Hegseth, you wouldn't know if that is who it really is.

Hegseth Kicking Himself For Not Just Getting 13 Soldiers Killed And Giving $80 Billion In Weapons To Terrorists https://t.co/wDJq9iNdVm pic.twitter.com/YQb7vhLXF1

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) March 26, 2025

Things that make you go...

Hmmm...

Waltz and Goldberg, pictured standing together, are thanked by the featured guest at this "The Atlantic" event and tagged by name in this tweet; yet Waltz insists he never met or communicated with Goldberg -- who happened to be the moderator at this same event Waltz attended! ... https://t.co/CxIouI4Dlm

— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) March 27, 2025

FLASHBACK: National Security Adviser Mike Waltz, who says he doesn’t know how "The Atlantic" editor's phone number wound up in his contact list, was the featured guest in a forum hosted by The Atlantic Council on Oct. 28, 2024:https://t.co/0cs8xziR8j

— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) March 27, 2025

She is an appointed member of the U.S. Department of State's Foreign Affairs Policy Board, where she advises the Secretary of State on technology policy.

Is this still the case @SecRubio @marcorubio? pic.twitter.com/VTAFDIRQT5

— Publius (@OcrazioCornPop) March 27, 2025

Waltz is a liar. I'd kick him to the curb.

That's not all. Waltz apparently had a ton of reporters as contacts on venmo. I don't use venmo enough to know this, but I only have used it to send cash to and from people. Why would you have reporters as contacts on THAT APP?

Charpie said:

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That's not all. Waltz apparently had a ton of reporters as contacts on venmo. I don't use venmo enough to know this, but I only have used it to send cash to and from people. Why would you have reporters as contacts on THAT APP?

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Schloss venmo part 2?

Doesn't vendors automatically link the contacts existing in your phone to those on venmo?

I think that's the case. So, why does walz then have so many journos in his phone?

Request $200
Reason - Hush money for classified spilling of beans

Who?mikejones! said:

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Doesn't vendors automatically link the contacts existing in your phone to those on venmo?

I think that's the case. So, why does walz then have so many journos in his phone?

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It doesn't on mine. I just went and checked.

Don't know if this has been discussed yet...

Disclaimer, and I have said it MANY times... Hegseth shouldn't have put out what he did on Signal.

Doesn't Hegseth have original classification authority over DoD? If that is the case, AS IT WAS WITH TRUMP...

Doesn't him saying something publicly that may have been classified automagically declassify it? He is an original classification authority after all.

I just checked to and there's a big "sync your contacts" button at the top.

I'd imagine he pushed that button

will25u said:

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Things that make you go...

Hmmm...

Waltz and Goldberg, pictured standing together, are thanked by the featured guest at this "The Atlantic" event and tagged by name in this tweet; yet Waltz insists he never met or communicated with Goldberg -- who happened to be the moderator at this same event Waltz attended! ... https://t.co/CxIouI4Dlm

— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) March 27, 2025

FLASHBACK: National Security Adviser Mike Waltz, who says he doesn’t know how "The Atlantic" editor's phone number wound up in his contact list, was the featured guest in a forum hosted by The Atlantic Council on Oct. 28, 2024:https://t.co/0cs8xziR8j

— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) March 27, 2025

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1st Tweet: The fact that Goldberg & Walz happened to be in attendance at an event lauching a documentary (in 2021) and were in the same picture doesn't necesarrily mean they're best buds.

2nd Tweet: I believe the Atlantic Council is a distinctly different entity than "The Atlantic" magazine.

That's a dubious connection at best.


ETA: Apparently these tweets are of two separate events.

jrdaustin said:

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will25u said:

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Things that make you go...

Hmmm...

Waltz and Goldberg, pictured standing together, are thanked by the featured guest at this "The Atlantic" event and tagged by name in this tweet; yet Waltz insists he never met or communicated with Goldberg -- who happened to be the moderator at this same event Waltz attended! ... https://t.co/CxIouI4Dlm

— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) March 27, 2025

FLASHBACK: National Security Adviser Mike Waltz, who says he doesn’t know how "The Atlantic" editor's phone number wound up in his contact list, was the featured guest in a forum hosted by The Atlantic Council on Oct. 28, 2024:https://t.co/0cs8xziR8j

— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) March 27, 2025

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1st Tweet: The fact that Goldberg & Walz happened to be in attendance at an event lauching a documentary (in 2021) and were in the same picture doesn't necesarrily mean they're best buds.

2nd Tweet: I believe the Atlantic Council is a distinctly different entity than "The Atlantic" magazine.

That's a dubious connection at best.


ETA: Apparently these tweets are of two separate events.

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Sperry is getting killed in the comments.

Equinox said:

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jrdaustin said:

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will25u said:

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Things that make you go...

Hmmm...

Waltz and Goldberg, pictured standing together, are thanked by the featured guest at this "The Atlantic" event and tagged by name in this tweet; yet Waltz insists he never met or communicated with Goldberg -- who happened to be the moderator at this same event Waltz attended! ... https://t.co/CxIouI4Dlm

— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) March 27, 2025

FLASHBACK: National Security Adviser Mike Waltz, who says he doesn’t know how "The Atlantic" editor's phone number wound up in his contact list, was the featured guest in a forum hosted by The Atlantic Council on Oct. 28, 2024:https://t.co/0cs8xziR8j

— Paul Sperry (@paulsperry_) March 27, 2025

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1st Tweet: The fact that Goldberg & Walz happened to be in attendance at an event lauching a documentary (in 2021) and were in the same picture doesn't necesarrily mean they're best buds.

2nd Tweet: I believe the Atlantic Council is a distinctly different entity than "The Atlantic" magazine.

That's a dubious connection at best.


ETA: Apparently these tweets are of two separate events.

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Sperry is getting killed in the comments.

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Best one I saw...

"And I bet both of them have been to the Atlantic Ocean as well!"

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nortex97 said:

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I hope they find whatever official in the Biden administration made Signal a preferred app for executive branch appointees to communicate on (Snowden himself recommended it, fwiw).

Notably, the Atlantic isn't touting this storyline about it being the 'gold standard' I guess, any longer:

The Atlantic revealed no terrorist, no target, no classified information and no “war” plans.
Interestingly enough in 2017 The Atlantic claimed Signal was the “Gold Standard” of encrypted messaging. In 2024 under the Biden administration, CISA released its "Mobile Communications… pic.twitter.com/w6lykWUtyG

— Nonickname Steve (@NonicknameTX) March 26, 2025

I haven't skimmed the thread even this am, but I bet none of our resident dem/TDS/very concerned posters have acknowledged that either.

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Anything Hakeem Jeffries demands rate denying almost on that basis.

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Maybe Signal works just fine if you take the precaution of not inviting journalists to your top secret military exercise group chat.

Mole Hunt!

The irony is they should not be doing government work on a 3rd party free open source end to end encryption software like Signal....

They should have their own end to end encryption tools that do secure communications.... but I expect nothing from any government in terms of security.

Signel said:

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The irony is they should not be doing government work on a 3rd party free open source end to end encryption software like Signal....

They should have their own end to end encryption tools that do secure communications.... but I expect nothing from any government in terms of security.

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User name checks out

Israel not happy

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/israel-supplied-intelligence-in-airstrike-discussed-in-signal-chat-officials-say-9a9e0abf?mod=hp_lead_pos1

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Israel provided sensitive intelligence from a human source in Yemen on a key Houthi military operative targeted in an attack described by national security adviser Mike Waltz in a Signal chat with senior Trump officials, two U.S. officials said.

Shortly after the U.S. strikes began, Waltz texted that a key target of the attacks, a Houthi missile expert, had been seen entering his girlfriend's building, which he said had been destroyed.

Israeli officials complained privately to U.S. officials that Waltz's texts became public, one U.S. official said.
Israel's role in supplying information that helped track the militant highlights the sensitivity of some disclosures in the texts and raises questions about the Trump administration's contention that no classified information was shared on the Signal chat, a publicly available nongovernmental app.

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Being in a position that important and forgetting something as recent as October 2024, yeah, probably don't want running something that requires great attentiveness and alertness. If were at the same event and just says it was too big and didn't know, that's different. But there are increasing number of signs this may not be so accidental--but from which side of the error?