i see hegseth is playing semantics to muddy the waters by saying "no targets and no locations," unfortunately that is yet another lie. waltz lists the target ("top missiles guy") and location ("girlfriend's apartment building") a few messages after hegseth's message about strike timeline.

Bro your party got 13 American soldiers killed in Afghanistan and then treated their families like garbage. And not a single person was fired or held accountable. Save the hysterics please. https://t.co/0p22Kxj4bZ

— Scott Jennings (@ScottJenningsKY) March 25, 2025

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If you missed today's show, I'd highly recommend you watch at least the first segment. @gabbycuccia gave us some incredible insight and perspective on the SIGNAL story.

Our government has been using SIGNAL since 2014. https://t.co/ornmi1WDba pic.twitter.com/f6SSMMhYbh

— Jon Herold (@patel_patriot) March 25, 2025

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What a fascinating little interview. Confirms the point that alot of this is continuity between admins, and they were not seeing Signal as some special risk. That call may have been wrong, but it makes things less flat-footed. So it goes back to Obama's second term. What was equally interesting was the trashing Whatsapp as known to be some kind of Israel trojan. So they were even comparing which apps to use down through the years. Finally, it does seems like it was just a straight footed snafu, screw-up. But in this context far more explicable. Its unfortunate that even some of the defensiveness about it is obscuring the above.

Joe Biden kept classified documents in his garage, possibly allowing his crackhead son access who knows. Joe pardoned Millie for Afghanistan, Austin was MIA for a month and wasn't a big deal.

Hillary Clinton ran the entire State Department on a personal server as secretary of state that she kept in a bathroom and had it erased with bleach bit. Destroyed phones with hammers,

And now their security hawks.

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The scandal involving Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail server during her time as Secretary of State went on for years.

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And nothing happened to her did it? In fact, she doesn't even acknowledge it, shrugged it off just like she did four dead in Benghazi.

At least the Trump administration took responsibility for this mistake.

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They did? When?

It looks to me like they are trying to shed all responsibility. Like they always do.

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The scandal involving Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail server during her time as Secretary of State went on for years.

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And nothing happened to her did it? In fact, she doesn't even acknowledge it, shrugged it off just like she did four dead in Benghazi.

At least the Trump administration took responsibility for this mistake.

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They did? When?

It looks to me like they are trying to shed all responsibility. Like they always do.

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Walz has outright taken responsibility. Even though he has clarified that he added a contact to the chat that was NOT Goldberg, but somehow Goldberg's number was attached to the contact (that someone had shared with him).

I don't view that as shirking responsibility.

I suspect your view of accepting responsibility in a Trump administration involves a resignation. That's not going to happen.

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The scandal involving Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail server during her time as Secretary of State went on for years.

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And nothing happened to her did it? In fact, she doesn't even acknowledge it, shrugged it off just like she did four dead in Benghazi.

At least the Trump administration took responsibility for this mistake.

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They did? When?

It looks to me like they are trying to shed all responsibility. Like they always do.

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Walz has outright taken responsibility. Even though he has clarified that he added a contact to the chat that was NOT Goldberg, but somehow Goldberg's number was attached to the contact (that someone had shared with him).

I don't view that as shirking responsibility.

I suspect your view of accepting responsibility in a Trump administration involves a resignation. That's not going to happen.

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Nor should it, the voters dont care about this. Even CNN admits his approval numbers are higher now than his previous 4 years.

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If you missed today's show, I'd highly recommend you watch at least the first segment. @gabbycuccia gave us some incredible insight and perspective on the SIGNAL story.

Our government has been using SIGNAL since 2014. https://t.co/ornmi1WDba pic.twitter.com/f6SSMMhYbh

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What a fascinating little interview. Confirms the point that alot of this is continuity between admins, and they were not seeing Signal as some special risk. That call may have been wrong, but it makes things less flat-footed. So it goes back to Obama's second term. What was equally interesting was the trashing Whatsapp as known to be some kind of Israel trojan. So they were even comparing which apps to use down through the years. Finally, it does seems like it was just a straight footed snafu, screw-up. But in this context far more explicable. Its unfortunate that even some of the defensiveness about it is obscuring the above.

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It doesn't seem likely that they have been using Signal for classified and secret information since 2014.

It is probably perfectly fine for minor matters. I use Signal and would never consider conversing with anyone on it of matters of great secrecy.

Saying that they've been using it since 2014 is useless information without knowing the kinds of uses,.

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The scandal involving Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail server during her time as Secretary of State went on for years.

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And nothing happened to her did it? In fact, she doesn't even acknowledge it, shrugged it off just like she did four dead in Benghazi.

At least the Trump administration took responsibility for this mistake.

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They did? When?

It looks to me like they are trying to shed all responsibility. Like they always do.

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I've already put this on here three times. I'm not sure what more this man could've said to appease you.

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National security advisor Michael Waltz assumed "full responsibility" for a leaked Signal group chat of senior Trump officials that discussed plans for a forthcoming strike on the Houthis in Yemen.

"I take full responsibility. I built the group,"Waltz said on "The Ingraham Angle" Tuesday. "It's embarrassing. We're going to get to the bottom of it."

Some of you guys are unbelievable. The cat is already out of the bag. There's nothing they can do to make it not have happened so they are going forward with it. They have apologized, they have said they are embarrassed. They are looking to rectify the situation.

It was a big mistake and they have addressed that they are also open to ridicule and criticism, but y'all are just going on and on and on. There's no such thing it's time travel they cannot go back and erase it.

We've already been told there was no classified information. You guys just wanna hate on Trump and his appointee to hate on them.

And honestly, the fact that you guys are not having problems with the editor says a lot. That guy could've kept his mouth shut notified the White House that he was on there and not said a damn thing in the interest of American, but he didn't, did he.

He made it political.

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The scandal involving Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail server during her time as Secretary of State went on for years.

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And nothing happened to her did it? In fact, she doesn't even acknowledge it, shrugged it off just like she did four dead in Benghazi.

At least the Trump administration took responsibility for this mistake.

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They did? When?

It looks to me like they are trying to shed all responsibility. Like they always do.

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Walz has outright taken responsibility. Even though he has clarified that he added a contact to the chat that was NOT Goldberg, but somehow Goldberg's number was attached to the contact (that someone had shared with him).

I don't view that as shirking responsibility.

I suspect your view of accepting responsibility in a Trump administration involves a resignation. That's not going to happen.

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This reflects on the administration, not just Waltz. It's good for Waltz to accept responsibility. It's too bad that the rest of the administration doesn't have the same ethics.

No one outside of those directly involved have determined it's not classified….this is classified info during an op.

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No one outside of those directly involved have determined it's not classified….this is classified info during an op.

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OK, well since you seem to know better, you keep us updated on this.

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The scandal involving Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail server during her time as Secretary of State went on for years.

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And nothing happened to her did it? In fact, she doesn't even acknowledge it, shrugged it off just like she did four dead in Benghazi.

At least the Trump administration took responsibility for this mistake.

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They did? When?

It looks to me like they are trying to shed all responsibility. Like they always do.

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Walz has outright taken responsibility. Even though he has clarified that he added a contact to the chat that was NOT Goldberg, but somehow Goldberg's number was attached to the contact (that someone had shared with him).

I don't view that as shirking responsibility.

I suspect your view of accepting responsibility in a Trump administration involves a resignation. That's not going to happen.

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This reflects on the administration, not just Waltz. It's good for Waltz to accept responsibility. It's too bad that the rest of the administration doesn't have the same ethics.

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Good Lord, liberals preaching about ethics...give me a f***ing break with that nonsense. I could list a thousand instances of awful ethics from Dems but it's not worth the time.

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No one outside of those directly involved have determined it's not classified….this is classified info during an op.

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OK, well since you seem to know better, you keep us updated on this.

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here to help! You seem to be a smart guy - do you think this type of information should be classified if say your son was flying one of the F-18s and you knew the houthis had SAMs from Iran?

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The scandal involving Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail server during her time as Secretary of State went on for years.

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And nothing happened to her did it? In fact, she doesn't even acknowledge it, shrugged it off just like she did four dead in Benghazi.

At least the Trump administration took responsibility for this mistake.

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They did? When?

It looks to me like they are trying to shed all responsibility. Like they always do.

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Walz has outright taken responsibility. Even though he has clarified that he added a contact to the chat that was NOT Goldberg, but somehow Goldberg's number was attached to the contact (that someone had shared with him).

I don't view that as shirking responsibility.

I suspect your view of accepting responsibility in a Trump administration involves a resignation. That's not going to happen.

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This reflects on the administration, not just Waltz. It's good for Waltz to accept responsibility. It's too bad that the rest of the administration doesn't have the same ethics.

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Good Lord, liberals preaching about ethics...give me a f***ing break with that nonsense. I could list a thousand instances of awful ethics from Dems but it's not worth the time.

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I'm no Democrat. In my entire life, I have voted for two Democrats. One of those was Phil Gramm.

There are plenty of ethics issues by both Democrats and Republicans.

Kash Patel just SHUT DOWN this leftist.

"I call the balls and strikes, NOT YOU."

This is pure gold. pic.twitter.com/5yuLSU2wsN

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) March 26, 2025

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No one outside of those directly involved have determined it's not classified….this is classified info during an op.

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here to help! You seem to be a smart guy - do you think this type of information should be classified if say your son was flying one of the F-18s and you knew the houthis had SAMs from Iran?

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I'm sorry did anything happen?

Did you expect the editor to release the information to endanger the pilots? Because without him notifying people about this, no one would've known. He could've confidentially notified the White House what had happened, but he didn't. If I had been the one that got that information, I wouldn't have released it. And I used to be in media relations.

Who knew our media was trying to kill pilots?

There are many things that could've gone wrong, but they didn't. Again, they can't make this to have not happened so they are taking responsibility, trying to find out what happened and doing everything they can to ensure it doesn't again. I don't know what more blood you want out of these people?

You can condemn them, ridicule them and be angry about it all you want, there's good reason, but it won't change the situation. Everyone has to move forward from here.

I don't know what would appease you at this point.

Do you know how close we came to nuclear war in the early 60s? Thankfully, it was tampered down and nothing happened, but people still talk about it. We can make scenarios about what would've happened over and over, but it didn't. It didn't.

And that's the point. Human beings make errors.

Correct. There should be no letting the usual suspects browbeat anyone into a stupid Sessions style step-down or resignation. Not over this.

What Ag87H20 said here remains absolutely true. Letting the commentariat and DNC suddenly act like they care about such things would be missing the point as much as failing to correct the security hole would be in the other direction.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3534776/replies/69914297

Kash Patel's answer was also appropriate.

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Kash Patel just SHUT DOWN this leftist.

"I call the balls and strikes, NOT YOU."

This is pure gold. pic.twitter.com/5yuLSU2wsN

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) March 26, 2025

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I want my time back...waaaahhh. Such babies.

I don't think everyone is safe on this yet, and if it continues to suck up oxygen in the room that Trump may still ultimately conclude it's best to fire somebody to move on from this (Waltz being most likely).

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No one outside of those directly involved have determined it's not classified….this is classified info during an op.

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here to help! You seem to be a smart guy - do you think this type of information should be classified if say your son was flying one of the F-18s and you knew the houthis had SAMs from Iran?

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I'm sorry did anything happen?

Did you expect the editor to release the information to endanger the pilots? Because without him notifying people about this, no one would've known. He could've confidentially notified the White House what had happened, but he didn't. If I had been the one that got that information, I wouldn't have released it. And I used to be in media relations.

Who knew our media was trying to kill pilots?

There are many things that could've gone wrong, but they didn't. Again, they can't make this to have not happened so they are taking responsibility, trying to find out what happened and doing everything they can to ensure it doesn't again. I don't know what more blood you want out of these people?

You can condemn them, ridicule them and be angry about it all you want, there's good reason, but it won't change the situation. Everyone has to move forward from here.

I don't know what would appease you at this point.

Do you know how close we came to nuclear war in the early 60s? Thankfully, it was tampered down and nothing happened, but people still talk about it. We can make scenarios about what would've happened over and over, but it didn't. It didn't.

And that's the point. Human beings make errors.

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1) If you don't think nation state cyber actors are not trying like hell to be on the devices of those cabinet members, you're naive. This is why you discuss classified stuff in the right channels. Sure, nothing happened but our SECDEF just fumbled the opening snap against McNeese State. I'm sure all will go well against Bama on the road.

2) Pete has never said he was wrong, but simply keeps stating nothing happened. Anyone with a military clearance is laughing at him. Waltz wants to investigate how he got caught. That's his "ownership"…owning that he accidentally invited the wrong person to the party.

3) what do I want? Simple, admit classified material was discussed and take ownership just like any other military member would have to do. Any military member with a clearance sends those messages on Signal like that - clearance likely gone forever.

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I don't think everyone is safe on this yet, and if it continues to suck up oxygen in the room that Trump may still ultimately conclude it's best to fire somebody to move on from this (Waltz being most likely).

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Oh, agree. Because its not clear could not do much better. But its going to depend on if some of the posts and links here indicating to some degree artificially engineered to take advantage of a weakness; pan out. Because that changes the narrative.

Harsh, but fair.

Do you guys remember that time that a chubby Army lieutenant colonel with a dead-end career listened in on a confidential call between the President of the United States and the President of Ukraine, and then that rabidly partisan chow-thief LTC violated all of the…

— Cynical Publius (@CynicalPublius) March 26, 2025

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I don't think everyone is safe on this yet, and if it continues to suck up oxygen in the room that Trump may still ultimately conclude it's best to fire somebody to move on from this (Waltz being most likely).

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Oh, agree. Because it's not clear could not do much better. But it's going to depend on if some of the posts and links here indicating to some degree artificially engineered to take advantage of a weakness; pan out. Because that changes the narrative.

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the thing about this is, Trump did nothing wrong - fire Pete and this passes in a day. Do you know how many Trump loving 44 yo male military guys have more experience than Pete? I would guess at least 1,500…and they all hate DEI. They might be missing the Fox News credentials.

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i see hegseth is playing semantics to muddy the waters by saying "no targets and no locations," unfortunately that is yet another lie. waltz lists the target ("top missiles guy") and location ("girlfriend's apartment building") a few messages after hegseth's message about strike timeline.

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Yesterday's news. Get over it. Time to move on. Mission was successful.

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If you don't think nation state cyber actors are not trying like hell to be on the devices of those cabinet members, you're naive.

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Expected someone to say something like this. Everyone admits it was a huge blunder. And maybe a head will roll but what y'all can't seem to get around your head is that humans are fallible. Whether you think it should've happened or not is irrelevant. Even presidents and military people make mistakes. And for anyone to think that they would've done better is fine But until you're in that situation, you just don't know What can happen. everyone thinks they're above mistakes like this until they're not. it's easy to be an armchair quarterback.

And the way technology is changing daily I mean, look at where we are compared to where we were even at the beginning of Trump's last term. Is mind blowing. It allows for many more mistakes than you would've seen 50-60 years ago when things were still typed and released manually.

Knowing communications like I do, granted not government ones, but the leaks and misdirected comments that can unfortunately slip through, I truly think it is a low-level staff member that added this name. But all the condemnation ridicule and anger that they deserve over this, and they do, I am shocked at the lack of anger towards this editor from the left and many on here. He could've done the honorable thing and not release the information but he didn't. Had I been in his situation? I would have never released this. I would've put my country first. Not politics.

Waltz took full responsibility, said it stopped with him, said he was embarrassed and said they will rectify it. Again, I just don't know how much more blood you guys can get out of the stone but if you wanna keep talking about it over and over and over again, and getting angrier and angrier. Have at it.

Can't change that it happened. You can only move forward.

Successful mission....move on

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I don't think everyone is safe on this yet, and if it continues to suck up oxygen in the room that Trump may still ultimately conclude it's best to fire somebody to move on from this (Waltz being most likely).

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Oh, agree. Because it's not clear could not do much better. But it's going to depend on if some of the posts and links here indicating to some degree artificially engineered to take advantage of a weakness; pan out. Because that changes the narrative.

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the thing about this is, Trump did nothing wrong - fire Pete and this passes in a day. Do you know how many Trump loving 44 yo male military guys have more experience than Pete? I would guess at least 1,500…and they all hate DEI. They might be missing the Fox News credentials.

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Don't fire him for this --- it wasn't his botch -- it was Waltz's staff was it not? As for easily replaced, maybe --- but would want wait and see if this is some kind of ambush as some of the linked posts on the thread suggest. Don't want to let another Vindmann-Schiff plot trip up things if that is what it was rather than just a screw up (which currently seems more likely the latter)

Remark: If anything Hegseth's handling of the PR is a better argument than the mistake itself. Its unnecessarily convoluted and splitting hairs about the content of the leak, rather than that there was a leak.

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I don't think everyone is safe on this yet, and if it continues to suck up oxygen in the room that Trump may still ultimately conclude it's best to fire somebody to move on from this (Waltz being most likely).

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Oh, agree. Because it's not clear could not do much better. But it's going to depend on if some of the posts and links here indicating to some degree artificially engineered to take advantage of a weakness; pan out. Because that changes the narrative.

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the thing about this is, Trump did nothing wrong - fire Pete and this passes in a day. Do you know how many Trump loving 44 yo male military guys have more experience than Pete? I would guess at least 1,500…and they all hate DEI. They might be missing the Fox News credentials.

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Trump should tell them dems to piss up a rope and not fire a soul. What can the dems do? Nothing.

If you can find me where Hegseth admits any blunder…I'll buy you a chicken wrap.

Do you think Pete and team should continue to use Signal for these types of communications? A simple yes/no is fine, just curious.

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Expected someone to say something like this. Everyone admits it was a huge blunder. And maybe a head will roll but what y'all can't seem to get around your head is that humans are fallible. Whether you think it should've happened or not is irrelevant. Even presidents and military people make mistakes. And for anyone to think that they would've done better is fine But until you're in that situation, you just don't know What can happen. everyone thinks they're above mistakes like this until they're not. it's easy to be an armchair quarterback.

And the way technology is changing daily I mean, look at where we are compared to where we were even at the beginning of Trump's last term. Is mind blowing. It allows for many more mistakes than you would've seen 50-60 years ago when things were still typed and released manually.

Knowing communications like I do, granted not government ones, but the leaks and misdirected comments that can unfortunately slip through, I truly think it is a low-level staff member that added this name. But all the condemnation ridicule and anger that they deserve over this, and they do, I am shocked at the lack of anger towards this editor from the left and many on here. He could've done the honorable thing and not release the information but he didn't. Had I been in his situation? I would have never released this. I would've put my country first. Not politics.

Waltz took full responsibility, said it stopped with him, said he was embarrassed and said they will rectify it. Again, I just don't know how much more blood you guys can get out of the stone but if you wanna keep talking about it over and over and over again, and getting angrier and angrier. Have at it.

Can't change that it happened. You can only move forward.

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Let the person who has never hit "reply all" by accident on an email forward, cast the first stone.

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Do you think Pete and team should continue to use Signal for these types of communications? A simple yes/no is fine, just curious.

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Well, it's not a yes or no answer so I can't give you that but…

After this, I would say no. Unless there was an absolute fix that would prevent this from happening in that program again.

But again technology is evolving so quickly I'm not sure exactly what they need to do here. This is just the same kind of break-in we've seen since the beginning of time just in a different way.

I mean, we're all still using social media, we're all using the Internet. That basically has stayed the same yet we know all of the risks that come with that. All the banking apps everything. Do we throw the baby out with the bathwater? I don't know.

I've messed up classified information three times that I can remember. All caught by only myself. You report it, appropriate cleanup happens as required. It's recorded and you go back to your job. Simple.

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I've messed up classified information three times that I can remember. All caught by only myself. You report it, appropriate cleanup happens as required. It's recorded and you go back to your job. Simple.

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Reporting it to your company or your boss is one thing. Reporting it to the world is quite another. This editor never should've done that. Regardless of whose fault it was. He chose politics and sticking it to the administration over the country. Now it appears he's trying to backtrack and say he didn't release anything important. but I only skimmed a story so I'd have to look into it more detailed.

I grew up in a family where it was no excuses. It didn't mean there weren't reasons or circumstances for what you did, but it still came down to you. So admitting you did, it is absolutely crucial. Trying to minimize the damage and moving on from there is next. And that's where we are. We can't go back in time.

That makes it sound like my parents were horrible, strict people, they weren't. They just wanted you to take responsibility for your actions. I had a great father and still have a great mom.

I've had a few small things that went wrong in my career, granted nothing on this level, but it really makes you feel like **** when you make an error, whether you catch it yourself or someone else does. I got reamed out one time for a live web page item that we were going to release later that no one could've ever found with the address, but my boss felt it was out there and people could've learned it earlier. No harm no foul in the end because he just didn't understand how it was set up, but you never know it sets people off. Now, in this case we know.