TOUCHDOWN! said:
Lock them up!!!
That's what we're supposed to do with people who use unsecured channels for classified government. communications, right guys?
Tbs2003 said:
It wouldn't?titan said:
Why is no one asking why the editor of the Atlantic then spread the info? That would not have happened in WW II because of national loyalty more than any fear of FDR.
I think that one real problem with Signal is not the protocol itself, but the fact that it likely only takes one hacked cell phone or other device in the chat to leak everything said in the chat.Logos Stick said:army01 said:
It is nowhere near secure. Information like this should've only been transmitted through appropriate channels. No sort of impending attacks/battle plans should ever be transmitted over any open source applications. It should 100% be sent high side only.
The software is absolutely secure. The reason it's open source is to allow any and all security experts on the planet to audit it for vulnerabilities and backdoors.
The issue here was the human error, adding a person to the group that should not have been added.
I can't believe we don't have our own app that they use to communicate. I think the journalist will be fine because I'm sure our enemies were reading the messages right along side him. He should be fired from the Atlantic if he didn't report the story. I'm actually impressed he didn't leak it is as soon as he got the texts.jopatura said:
I'm not particularly surprised the group was talking in a group chat - private sector has encouraged this kind of collaboration over the last 5 years. I also think most administrations will have technology security issues because technology moves faster than the government vetting & adopting new programs. If the government doesn't have a secure way for colleagues to chat, this is always going to be a problem.
However, whoever added Goldberg to the group chat should be reprimanded or fired if that's appropriate.
Goldberg should also be required to hand over any hard copies and fully delete everything he's seen, as well as sign an NDA that says he won't discuss it publicly. The fool has already put a target on his back from enemies of the USA that may want to know what he knows. He was in such a rush to break the story he didn't consider what it might mean for him.
FDR was a democrat (socialist). That was the main difference.eric76 said:It wouldn't?titan said:
Why is no one asking why the editor of the Atlantic then spread the info? That would not have happened in WW II because of national loyalty more than any fear of FDR.
Don't forget that a Congressman leaked the US Air War Plans to US newspapers three days before Pearl Harbor and the newspapers published them.
“Through this inscription I wish to enter my dying protest against the Democratic party. I have watched it closely since the days of Jackson and know that all the misfortunes of our nation has come to it through this so called party therefore beware of this party of treason."… pic.twitter.com/saVzj6gkxY
— Freyja™ (@FreyjaTarte) February 26, 2024
Walz made an error in judgement. Always anticipate that someone will screw up.Actual Talking Thermos said:Waltz added him to the group chat by mistake but I'm not aware of any evidence that it was Waltz's decision to be conducting high level government business via a group chat on signal in the first place. That's who needs to resign.Hoyt Ag said:
Waltz needs to resign immediately. He has preached about accountability on several podcasts and interviews, well, own it Mike.
I don't think that FDR had anything to do with the leak and for all his faults, he didn't condone it.nortex97 said:FDR was a democrat (socialist). That was the main difference.eric76 said:It wouldn't?titan said:
Why is no one asking why the editor of the Atlantic then spread the info? That would not have happened in WW II because of national loyalty more than any fear of FDR.
Don't forget that a Congressman leaked the US Air War Plans to US newspapers three days before Pearl Harbor and the newspapers published them.
He also knew/wanted Pearl Harbor to happen to get the US into the war…Democrats have been traitors since the days of Andrew Jackson, to the republic.“Through this inscription I wish to enter my dying protest against the Democratic party. I have watched it closely since the days of Jackson and know that all the misfortunes of our nation has come to it through this so called party therefore beware of this party of treason."… pic.twitter.com/saVzj6gkxY
— Freyja™ (@FreyjaTarte) February 26, 2024
Doesn't matter the underlying encryption, no matter how strong it is. Signal runs on an open system that is not secure. It would need to run on a closed system with an established procedure for adding other users.doubledog said:Walz made an error in judgement. Always anticipate that someone will screw up.Actual Talking Thermos said:Waltz added him to the group chat by mistake but I'm not aware of any evidence that it was Waltz's decision to be conducting high level government business via a group chat on signal in the first place. That's who needs to resign.Hoyt Ag said:
Waltz needs to resign immediately. He has preached about accountability on several podcasts and interviews, well, own it Mike.
OverSeas AG said:TOUCHDOWN! said:
Lock them up!!!
That's what we're supposed to do with people who use unsecured channels for classified government. communications, right guys?
If you actually cared about anything other than a feeble attempt at a gotcha… what you have to say might matter.
Your side has committed far graver acts, on purpose, and you said nothing.
The repugnancy of the left continues to display its ugly head.
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"F.D.R.'s War Plans!," screamed the front-page banner headline in the Tribune's Thursday, December 4 edition. Smaller headlines proclaimed, "Goal Is 10 Million Armed Men" and "Proposes Land Drive by July 1, 1943, to Smash Nazis." The Tribune's sister paper, the Washington Times-Herald, played the story big, too.
The secret military plan was a "blueprint for total war on a scale unprecedented in at least two oceans and three continents, Europe, Africa, and Asia," Manly wrote, and he reported that July 1, 1943, was the date fixed for an Allied invasion of Europe. The plan called for a U.S. armed force of 10 million men, more than seven times the strength at the time, with five million slated to be deployed to Europe. The War Department admitted that Britain and Russia alone could not beat Hitler, Manly noted, and that victory would require the United States to enter the war. An ecstatic McCormick congratulated Manly and the rest of the Tribune's Washington bureau on what he called "perhaps the greatest scoop in the history of journalism."
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IN 1962, PART OF THE LEAK mystery was solved unexpectedly when former isolationist senator Burton Wheeler published his memoirs and admitted that he, not his colleague Walsh, had given Manly the plan.
On December 2, 1941, Wheeler had been slipped one of the 35 copies of the plan, wrapped in brown paper like a stag film. He and Manly scrutinized it that day at Wheeler's Washington home, with Wheeler's secretary taking shorthand notes for Manly. Wheeler returned the document to his source on December 3 so it would be in its original place when Manly's story hit newsstands the following day. Wheeler said he leaked the plan to embarrass Roosevelt and chose Manly because he knew the Tribune "would give the plan the kind of attention it deserved."
The answer to that question is not trivial. If they were using a setup carried over from the Biden admin, its even worse but may speak to something different. The over-focus on the initial ire at the editor is also mis-directing a bit. There is every bit of importance not to Walz making a mistake, but the procedure where it could even occur being the way it was.Quote:
Mistakes get made but how is anyone from the Atlantic even on the channel or signal (or however the hell this works)?
dmart90 said:
I agreed to have an MDM (mobile device manger) installed.
DO YOU WANT TO HEAR OUR WAR PLANS? pic.twitter.com/4JOqfBwBFo
— Clue Heywood (@ClueHeywood) March 25, 2025
I wouldn't imagine that they were using a setup from the Biden administration since presumably they didn't work for the Biden administration and surely weren't given the cell phones of previous Biden administration officials for their own use.titan said:
If that's true, between that and this big fumble it might be enough to call for him to resign, or just prudent.
As ts5641 pointed out nextThe answer to that question is not trivial. If they were using a setup carried over from the Biden admin, its even worse but may speak to something different. The over-focus on the initial ire at the editor is also mis-directing a bit. There is every bit of importance not to Walz making a mistake, but the procedure where it could even occur being the way it was.Quote:
Mistakes get made but how is anyone from the Atlantic even on the channel or signal (or however the hell this works)?
CyclingAg82 said:
One more thing about this "calling for heads to roll", it is example #17,675 of the conservatives and R's forming their usual circular firing squad.
Those dirtbags on left get away with stuff much more egregious and keep on waltzing merrily down the street.
IslanderAg04 said:TOUCHDOWN! said:
Lock them up!!!
That's what we're supposed to do with people who use unsecured channels for classified government. communications, right guys?
I dont know, ask Hillary.
Pete Hegseth in 2016: "If it was anyone other than Hillary Clinton, they would be in jail right now... because the assumption is in the intelligence community, if you are using unclassified means, there is... likelihood that foreign governments are targeting those accounts." pic.twitter.com/0l5xFttsq3
— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) March 24, 2025
Full article https://t.co/AG4IWy5ny0
— Whale Psychiatrist ™️ (@k_ovfefe2) March 25, 2025
CyclingAg82 said:
I get your point, but principles in politics and especially in DC are like oil and water. And really do not exist. Applying Marquess of Queensbury rules to the R's and conservatives is just not wise - need a level playing field.
If it was a mistake - do you throw the baby with bathwater?
BoydCrowder13 said:
Still can't believe that top government officials use Signal for these conversations.
In a lot of industries (not nearly as important as DOD), this is grounds for dismissal.
I don't think it's that they're using signal. It's that they included the freaking chief editor of a major liberal publication. This deserves all the appropriate face palms.usmcbrooks said:Signal is a free, open-source, privacy-focused messaging app that uses end-to-end encryption to secure communications, ensuring only the sender and recipient can read messages.TOUCHDOWN! said:
Lock them up!!!
That's what we're supposed to do with people who use unsecured channels for classified government. communications, right guys?
Not exactly a private unclass server in the bathroom of a mom-and-pop general store.
Resident libs and cm's doing backflips thinking this is a got em.
BMX Bandit said:CyclingAg82 said:
One more thing about this "calling for heads to roll", it is example #17,675 of the conservatives and R's forming their usual circular firing squad.
Those dirtbags on left get away with stuff much more egregious and keep on waltzing merrily down the street.
Getting rid of incompetent people that can hurt the administration and country is not a "circular firing squad"
Rather, it's an example of conservatives having principles and understanding country over party.
Was referring to if they use some kind of transmitted list. If you use Signal you have the advantage of knowing what it can and cannot do. Just trying to think of reasons the Atlantic Editor would be there to accidentally include in the first place. As if it was a practice.eric76 said:I wouldn't imagine that they were using a setup from the Biden administration since presumably they didn't work for the Biden administration and surely weren't given the cell phones of previous Biden administration officials for their own use.titan said:
If that's true, between that and this big fumble it might be enough to call for him to resign, or just prudent.
As ts5641 pointed out nextThe answer to that question is not trivial. If they were using a setup carried over from the Biden admin, its even worse but may speak to something different. The over-focus on the initial ire at the editor is also mis-directing a bit. There is every bit of importance not to Walz making a mistake, but the procedure where it could even occur being the way it was.Quote:
Mistakes get made but how is anyone from the Atlantic even on the channel or signal (or however the hell this works)?
By the way, I have Signal on my cell phone and on my workstation. I'm in one group chat (group of three to discuss computer and network issues) and I just looked to see how much information it tells about the others in the group chat. It provides nothing more than their usernames.
If the reporter was just reading the chat, it would have been very easy for him to go unnoticed. About all you could do to see him would be to look at the group settings and that would only show whatever name he chooses to go by on Signal.
I voted for trump, genius. I still think it's ****in ridiculous.BMX Bandit said:HossAg said:
The mental gymnastics here to try to blame this on a reporter instead of the idiots who added the reporter to the chat are hilarious.
Tribalism combined with being fed up over the MSM double standard.Quote:
Not a single person here would be defending Biden if it happened to him.
Very fake news. Your team defended much worse from Biden over the past 4 years.
All that said, this was a compete screw up and at a minimum Waltz needs to be shown the door. (Maybe more, but waiting on an answer to my previous post question)
🚨 WHOA!!! Turns out BIDEN authorized Signal to be used for government communication, Senator Tom Cotton says pic.twitter.com/FIkwzEK5Bw
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) March 25, 2025
“The Biden Administration authorized Signal as a means of communication that was consistent with presidential recordkeeping requirements for its…
Is it some kind of sieve compared to other phone apps? Is it flagrantly stupid then -- -that's the implication.BoydCrowder13 said:
Still can't believe that top government officials use Signal for these conversations.
In a lot of industries (not nearly as important as DOD), this is grounds for dismissal.
That's an excellent point. I have no idea why he would even be a member of the chat.titan said:Was referring to if they use some kind of transmitted list. If you use Signal you have the advantage of knowing what it can and cannot do. Just trying to think of reasons the Atlantic Editor would be there to accidentally include in the first place. As if it was a practice.eric76 said:I wouldn't imagine that they were using a setup from the Biden administration since presumably they didn't work for the Biden administration and surely weren't given the cell phones of previous Biden administration officials for their own use.titan said:
If that's true, between that and this big fumble it might be enough to call for him to resign, or just prudent.
As ts5641 pointed out nextThe answer to that question is not trivial. If they were using a setup carried over from the Biden admin, its even worse but may speak to something different. The over-focus on the initial ire at the editor is also mis-directing a bit. There is every bit of importance not to Walz making a mistake, but the procedure where it could even occur being the way it was.Quote:
Mistakes get made but how is anyone from the Atlantic even on the channel or signal (or however the hell this works)?
By the way, I have Signal on my cell phone and on my workstation. I'm in one group chat (group of three to discuss computer and network issues) and I just looked to see how much information it tells about the others in the group chat. It provides nothing more than their usernames.
If the reporter was just reading the chat, it would have been very easy for him to go unnoticed. About all you could do to see him would be to look at the group settings and that would only show whatever name he chooses to go by on Signal.
BMX Bandit said:CyclingAg82 said:
I get your point, but principles in politics and especially in DC are like oil and water. And really do not exist. Applying Marquess of Queensbury rules to the R's and conservatives is just not wise - need a level playing field.
If it was a mistake - do you throw the baby with bathwater?
getting rid of incompetent people is not throwing out the baby.
I don't see anyone on the right advocating firing for the sake of appearance. This Waltz guy is an idiot.
