High level officials accidentally include Atlantic editor in group chat

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johnnyblaze36
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Here's a well reasoned argument regarding the whole debacle:

*language warning

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Meh, calling bs on all this. Language seems off for a text chain but who knows. Seems like a tar-baby that was designed to get fed to the media.

Nobody would have ever listened to these points had someone come out and said them at a press conference, but now you got every ahole in the world pouring over this text.

This is the same as dropping a bunch of USBs with auto-executing code in the employee parking lot.

Danged ol Goldberg thought he struck gold that shines brighter than the family manorah.

Then again somebody could have very well fat-fingered this, but the content of these messages raises an eyebrow. Get up too early to fall for this bs. Whistles go woo wooo ... we up cookin' breakfast.
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FrioAg 00 said:

I believe the mission updates were not officially classified

That's an important detail
please explain
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Fdsa said:

FrioAg 00 said:

I believe the mission updates were not officially classified

That's an important detail
please explain
"Throw this deflection and inability to take accountability at the wall to see if it sticks"



This thread is embarrassing.
Houston Lee
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For all of you morons with your soy milk crying about this. I will let the response by the Sec of Defense speak for itself.





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So, let's me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called "war plans" and those "plans" include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really ****ty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an "attack plan" (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL "war plans") and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.

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Fdsa
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Houston Lee said:

For all of you morons with your soy milk crying about this. I will let the response by the Sec of Defense speak for itself.





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So, let's me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called "war plans" and those "plans" include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really ****ty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an "attack plan" (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL "war plans") and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.


Ha…go update your classification guide real quick, Pete, to match what you just said.
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Houston Lee said:


We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.
Truer words were never spoken.
JABQ04
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Yikes. Someone didn't say attention. Poor Jeff

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Both cases involve classified information improperly stored or transmitted on a personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way.

This current case involves many more people in the Executive cabinet than the former.

Community Notes: Both did not involve classified information.
Fdsa
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This was a mistake and almost anyone in the military who has been in at least a few months would have avoided doing what Pete did.

The question I have is, why did he feel the need to provide those on the chat the operational details of the event? It serves no purpose for the Security of the Treasury to know the exact time the F-18s are dropping bombs. There was no operational coordination required at that moment….you're the SECDEF…you get to sit back and watch it unfold and you have people to update the right people.
annie88
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And the kicker is that one of them accidentally added a reporter and NOBODY ****ING NOTICED.

AND ALL THAT COMFORTS YOU?! YOUR ONLY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE JOURNALISTS ETHICS?!

You seem VERY upset about all of this. Why do you think that is? Because this has very little to do with your daily life, does it?

If I search your posts, I won't see you post about anything that doesn't impact your daily life? You only discuss matters that affect you personally?

You're more enraged about this than anything I've commented on in decades on TexAgs. Why?

Because he hates Trump and everything about this administration. Everyone admits this was a big blunder as does the Trump administration.

They've taken responsibility and are doing what they need to make sure this doesn't happen again, but it's not good enough for him because this is something he gets to rag on Trump for since the last two months have been so incredibly wonderful for our country.
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rgvag11 said:

The scandal involving Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail server during her time as Secretary of State went on for years.


And nothing happened to her did it? In fact, she doesn't even acknowledge it, shrugged it off just like she did four dead in Benghazi.

At least the Trump administration took responsibility for this mistake.
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AgGrad99 said:

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Both cases involve classified information improperly stored or transmitted on a personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way.

This current case involves many more people in the Executive cabinet than the former.

Community Notes: Both did not involve classified information.
have you worked with classified material before?

ETA: Hillary was a whole different level of bad. 10/10….this is probably 4/10. Just quit denying it.
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Prosperdick said:

It's too bad there wasn't a signal leak during Biden's term (that we know of) because it would have been nice if someone could have let Biden/Austin know that their "plan" for the Afghanistan withdrawal was a complete cluster**** that would leave valuable military equipment in enemy's hands and get our servicemen killed.

That's what a complete failure of an admin looks like liberals. You can also take your whataboutism and shove it.
Just to be clear, you are the one engaging in whataboutism
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Prosperdick said:


Is that Kyle Cheney a relative?


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CREW was the lawfare arm of their effort to Target Trump 1.0. Alex Wong who apparently added the journalist to the Signal chat was an attorney with Covington & Burling who did pro bono work for CREW.
So this may have been a setup from the anti-admin side with Goldberg knowing? No one involved in the initial lawfare against Trump gets the benefit of the doubt.
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have you worked with classified material before?
A. I've already replied about this. I have experience with contracts requiring secure communication.


B. What on earth does that have to do with the communication we're discussing, or my reply? It's either classified or it's not. From all accounts...it's not.


C. This was a 1/10. It was a silly inconsequential mistake, that shouldn't have happened, and shouldn't happen again. If it were classified, or consequences occurred due to the mistake...then it rises on the scale. Hilary's situation is in a different hemisphere. It's not even slightly relatable to this, at all.
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Houston Lee said:

For all of you morons with your soy milk crying about this. I will let the response by the Sec of Defense speak for itself.





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So, let's me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called "war plans" and those "plans" include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really ****ty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an "attack plan" (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL "war plans") and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.




See, this crap is a bad response.

The response the whole time should have been:

"We are investigating how this incident occurred and are taking steps to ensure it does not happen again. The related military operation was a success and this incident did not compromise the safety of our men and women in uniform.

We take our duty to the American people seriously and will strive to improve any processes that allowed this incident to occur."

Take responsibility, maintain that ultimately it didn't matter and promise to do better. Being overly defensive and on the attack against the Atlantic makes it look worse.
TxAG#2011
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Hegseth doubling down on that is incredible. Dude should have just admitted a mistake would be made and proper security protocols would be implemented immediately. Edit: Believe I just got beaten.

Anyone who says that isn't classified information cannot be taken seriously and apparently that includes the Secretary of Defense.
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annie88 said:

rgvag11 said:

The scandal involving Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail server during her time as Secretary of State went on for years.


And nothing happened to her did it? In fact, she doesn't even acknowledge it, shrugged it off just like she did four dead in Benghazi.

At least the Trump administration took responsibility for this mistake.


Eh they are not really taking responsibility. A lot of finger pointing, defensiveness, and scapegoating unnamed staffers.
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AgGrad99 said:


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have you worked with classified material before?
A. I've already replied about this. I have experience with contracts requiring secure communication.


B. What on earth does that have to do with the communication we're discussing, or my reply? It's either classified or it's not. From all accounts...it's not.


A. Okay
B. I would say you don't have the experience to determine this was unclassified and "all accounts" happen to be the people who are directly involved.


C. Anyone with any military experience would NEVER even share with their spouse the details Pete put in the chat at the operational time he did. It's a no brainer, we don't share that type of info before an operation.
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If it was a Randy Boudreaux or a Laquavius Jackson somebody would have immediately noticed them joining the chat. Since it was danged ol Goldberg nobody gave it a second look. Just assumed the dude was supposed to be on there.
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C. Anyone with any military experience would NEVER even share with their spouse the details Pete put in the chat at the operational time he did. It's a no brainer, we don't share that type of info before an operation.
Correct. Just because you can, doesnt mean you should. Which is why everyone has deemed it a 'mistake'.

But that doesnt make it classified, and doesnt mean it's worthy of the fainting and gasping we're seeing right now. The motivation for that reaction is completely different.
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Hullabaloonatic said:

Ag in Tiger Country said:

My reading of the messages' content shows we NOW have very capable decision makers carefully weighing options instead of acting on impulse, which the Left has accused Trump of doing with impunity. Furthermore, it seems cabinet members are free to offer their input &/or disagree, including situations where tensions might run hot like the alleged Rubio v. Musk 'brawl.' Therefore, this isn't the political hand grenade the Left thinks it is, especially if folks read the texts!!!

Therefore, the real issues for me is A) why didn't the journalist announce their inclusion in a briefing, & B) was the journalist intentionally added to subvert this Administration or was this a gross oversight that's absolutely correctable? If the former, the leaker WILL be in big trouble AND the MSM may have lost an important "ally" in their mission to destroy this Administration, even if it means the nation is also harmed to achieve that very result (which is very believable considering what the Biden Administration did to the USA for 4 years)!!!
So to recap, the US VP, SecDef, and other cabinet level officials used a method of communication to discuss battle plans, share attack specs including targets, timing, and armaments, and did it over a channel that is not subject to Information Retention standards or approved as a secure method. The information they shared was only to be shared from within a SCIF.

And the kicker is that one of them accidentally added a reporter and NOBODY ****ING NOTICED.

AND ALL THAT COMFORTS YOU?! YOUR ONLY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE JOURNALISTS ETHICS?!


NO, THAT WASN'T MY ONLY CONCERN; IN FACT, CONCERN NUMBER TWO, DENOTED BY MY USE OF "B)" OUTLINED MY CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE REPORTER'S INCLUSION WAS INTENTIONAL.

I GUESS YOU DIDN'T READ MY ENTIRE COMMENT, SO I'M RESPONDING IN ALL CAPS TO ASSIST YOU WITH YOUR COMPREHENSION.
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Fdsa said:

Houston Lee said:

For all of you morons with your soy milk crying about this. I will let the response by the Sec of Defense speak for itself.





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So, let's me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called "war plans" and those "plans" include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really ****ty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an "attack plan" (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL "war plans") and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.


Ha…go update your classification guide real quick, Pete, to match what you just said.
I read the messages and I think Hegseth summed them up pretty accurately. If you really want to stretch you can say that an after the fact note that planes and missiles had flown was borderline but certainly didn't endanger anyone. If this was directly sent to the Houthis they don't know from where or what the targets are they just know they are being attacked which had already been announced publicly.

It's also evident that this was a chat that was lower security level because those details aren't included. Hegseth and others were clearly communicating elsewhere on the tactical plans and that's what would be classified.

Obviously this isn't something you would want a journalist included on and it's not a good look but it's been completely overblown. Anyone losing their mind over this is clearly partisan or simply hasn't looked at the details.

The fact that the press is actively trying to come up with any distraction to hurt Trump also can't be understated. Sorry but they have no credibility.
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annie88
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JABQ04 said:

Yikes. Someone didn't say attention. Poor Jeff




I'm a little tired today what does this post mean?
titan
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BoydCrowder13 said:

Houston Lee said:

For all of you morons with your soy milk crying about this. I will let the response by the Sec of Defense speak for itself.





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So, let's me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called "war plans" and those "plans" include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really ****ty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an "attack plan" (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL "war plans") and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.




See, this crap is a bad response.

The response the whole time should have been:

"We are investigating how this incident occurred and are taking steps to ensure it does not happen again. The related military operation was a success and this incident did not compromise the safety of our men and women in uniform.

We take our duty to the American people seriously and will strive to improve any processes that allowed this incident to occur."

Take responsibility, maintain that ultimately it didn't matter and promise to do better. Being overly defensive and on the attack against the Atlantic makes it look worse.
Agree that even if objectively true that there is not much of use there which is where he is coming from, your reply there is more what is warranted as just a `standard mea culpa and we will quickly fix it' IF that is given static, then you deploy the "besides nothing important by my standards was there" angle.

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AgGrad99 said:


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C. Anyone with any military experience would NEVER even share with their spouse the details Pete put in the chat at the operational time he did. It's a no brainer, we don't share that type of info before an operation.
Correct. Just because you can, doesnt mean you should. Which is why everyone has deemed it a 'mistake'.

But that doesnt make it classified, and doesnt mean it's worthy of the fainting and gasping we're seeing right now. The motivation for that reaction is completely different.
many people have deemed it a mistake. Pete has not….first rule when you make a spill (or even mess up OPSEC)…own it.
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aggie93 said:





So wait. He got all hot and bothered about this. Couldn't get the information out there quick enough and now he's defending it by saying it wasn't classified?
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Biden got 13 service members killed then bombed an innocent family based on intelligence from the taliban and we're worried about this LOL This is the new egg price scandal.
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annie88 said:

They've taken responsibility and are doing what they need to make sure this doesn't happen again, but it's not good enough for him because this is something he gets to rag on Trump for since the last two months have been so incredibly wonderful for our country.

Have they? lol at the rest

Piss poor leadership, top to bottom.
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ETFan said:

annie88 said:

They've taken responsibility and are doing what they need to make sure this doesn't happen again, but it's not good enough for him because this is something he gets to rag on Trump for since the last two months have been so incredibly wonderful for our country.

Have they? lol at the rest

Piss poor leadership, top to bottom.

Was the mission a success or did we get anyone killed and give the houthis all of our military equipment.
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