High level officials accidentally include Atlantic editor in group chat

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In reply to rootube • 3:08p, 3/25/25
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will25u said:
Seeing a lot of smoke that it was Alex Wong. But that so far is just internet talk.





This is irrelevant. The issue is that there is no operational security measures in place to prevent this from ever happening. Nobody considered who was on the call before sharing extremely sensitive data. In that regard, EVERYONE on that call failed.

It's not irrelevant. We don't know what was shared yet.
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In reply to IndividualFreedom • 3:11p, 3/25/25
IndividualFreedom said:
How does Signal work?

I am envisioning a group text from the iphone on an encrypted app. that connects to your contacts. A group leader picks who they want in the group. You can name the group. Away you go. Perhaps a password to login.

Someone who has used Signal before should explain this.

If what I wrote above is correct:

1. Who started the message, because that person had Goldberg's contact in their phone.

1A. Why is Goldberg a contact?

2. If a mistake, who did you mean to add over Goldberg?

3. Like any other group message, if the other members did not have Goldberg as a contact, only a phone number would appear.

3A. Why did nobody question who that number belonged to?
you are almost entirely correct except his name would show up to everyone when added if he has it set that way. He could just have his initials as well. It would not be his phone number.
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In reply to usmcbrooks • 3:13p, 3/25/25
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TOUCHDOWN! said:
Lock them up!!!

That's what we're supposed to do with people who use unsecured channels for classified government. communications, right guys?
Signal is a free, open-source, privacy-focused messaging app that uses end-to-end encryption to secure communications, ensuring only the sender and recipient can read messages.

Not exactly a private unclass server in the bathroom of a mom-and-pop general store.


Resident libs and cm's doing backflips thinking this is a got em.

This actually is a pretty big got 'em.

Not because they used Signal which, from what I understand, is extremely secure but because they were negligent in managing who was on the chat and whether or not they should be.
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In reply to Fdsa • 3:13p, 3/25/25
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Equinox said:
yes, Signal is authorized….for unclassified communications as a means for good OPSEC. He knows this wasn't unclassified communications and everyone who has ever had a clearance is laughing at him for saying this.

That was the third time that vid was posted. I don't think they comprehend.
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3:14p, 3/25/25
DOD warned against using Signal the week before this all happened.

"In its memo warning against using Signal, the Pentagon wrote, "Russian professional hacking groups are employing the 'linked devices' features to spy on encrypted conversations."

WARNING
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3:17p, 3/25/25

Dems gonna get burned when the game is over and the dust has settled.
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In reply to Fdsa • 3:20p, 3/25/25
Fdsa said:
IndividualFreedom said:
How does Signal work?

I am envisioning a group text from the iphone on an encrypted app. that connects to your contacts. A group leader picks who they want in the group. You can name the group. Away you go. Perhaps a password to login.

Someone who has used Signal before should explain this.

If what I wrote above is correct:

1. Who started the message, because that person had Goldberg's contact in their phone.

1A. Why is Goldberg a contact?

2. If a mistake, who did you mean to add over Goldberg?

3. Like any other group message, if the other members did not have Goldberg as a contact, only a phone number would appear.

3A. Why did nobody question who that number belonged to?
you are almost entirely correct except his name would show up to everyone when added if he has it set that way. He could just have his initials as well. It would not be his phone number.

The name of the person will only show up if they have a profile that they've made publicly visible in Signal and that profile name is set as their actual name. Three criteria must be met. If they don't have a profile, then you get just a number.
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3:21p, 3/25/25


GOLDBERG: Maybe in the coming days, I'll be able to let you know that, 'OK, I have a plan to have this material vetted publicly.' But I'm not going to say that now, because there's a lot of conversations that have to happen about that.


GOLDBERG: At moments like this, when they're under pressure because they've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar or whatever, you know, they will just literally say anything to get out of the moment.
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3:21p, 3/25/25
Maybe they did this on purpose to distract from what DOGE is about to cut.

Almost nothing in Washington happens by accident. It's Hollywood for ugly people.
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In reply to TarponChaser • 3:34p, 3/25/25
TarponChaser said:
usmcbrooks said:
TOUCHDOWN! said:
Lock them up!!!

That's what we're supposed to do with people who use unsecured channels for classified government. communications, right guys?
Signal is a free, open-source, privacy-focused messaging app that uses end-to-end encryption to secure communications, ensuring only the sender and recipient can read messages.

Not exactly a private unclass server in the bathroom of a mom-and-pop general store.


Resident libs and cm's doing backflips thinking this is a got em.

This actually is a pretty big got 'em.

Not because they used Signal which, from what I understand, is extremely secure but because they were negligent in managing who was on the chat and whether or not they should be.


WRONG.

As a retail product, yes Signal is great on security and privacy.

However, these are high-ranking USA executive and military officials we are talking about. They have access to, and use daily, much more sophisticated and secure communications systems. Yet they intentionally are choosing to use Signal for various reasons. That is noteworthy. That the editor in chief of The Atlantic was invited into the chat is a footnote in comparison--as bizarre as it is.
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In reply to rgvag11 • 3:35p, 3/25/25
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GOLDBERG: Maybe in the coming days, I'll be able to let you know that, 'OK, I have a plan to have this material vetted publicly.' But I'm not going to say that now, because there's a lot of conversations that have to happen about that.


GOLDBERG: At moments like this, when they're under pressure because they've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar or whatever, you know, they will just literally say anything to get out of the moment.

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In reply to Logos Stick • 3:36p, 3/25/25
Logos Stick said:
Fdsa said:
IndividualFreedom said:
How does Signal work?

I am envisioning a group text from the iphone on an encrypted app. that connects to your contacts. A group leader picks who they want in the group. You can name the group. Away you go. Perhaps a password to login.

Someone who has used Signal before should explain this.

If what I wrote above is correct:

1. Who started the message, because that person had Goldberg's contact in their phone.

1A. Why is Goldberg a contact?

2. If a mistake, who did you mean to add over Goldberg?

3. Like any other group message, if the other members did not have Goldberg as a contact, only a phone number would appear.

3A. Why did nobody question who that number belonged to?
you are almost entirely correct except his name would show up to everyone when added if he has it set that way. He could just have his initials as well. It would not be his phone number.

The name of the person will only show up if they have a profile that they've made publicly visible in Signal and that profile name is set as their actual name. Three criteria must be met. If they don't have a profile, then you get just a number.
guess I have never seen that play out since all of the groups I have been in have people that want others to know who they are. I do believe he at least had his initials. Can't recall where I read that.

Edit to add: he is saying in interviews that "JG" is on his profile.
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3:39p, 3/25/25
In the mean time...we can all identify who the Dems fear the most because that is who they will want fired.
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3:42p, 3/25/25
Goldberg needs to immediately ask for immunity and then immediately release the entire thing.

This whole thing has blown up beyond all reasonable response and is such a clown show. If this was simply a mistake of an accidental add to a group chat, so be it. Admit that, take the blow, and move on.

Instead we have top cabinet members being grilled by the Senate on this and sounding so damn incriminating with the ages old "I don't recall" over and over that has soured the American people for so long now. Hell, they should release everything themselves just for damage control at this point and not even wait on Goldberg.



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In reply to Eliminatus • 3:45p, 3/25/25
Eliminatus said:
Goldberg needs to immediately ask for immunity and then immediately release the entire thing.

This whole thing has blown up beyond all reasonable response and is such a clown show. If this was simply a mistake of an accidental add to a group chat, so be it. Admit that, take the blow, and move on.

Instead we have top cabinet members being grilled by the Senate on this and sounding so damn incriminating with the ages old "I don't recall" over and over that has soured the American people for so long now. Hell, they should release everything themselves just for damage control at this point and not even wait on Goldberg.



Immunity from what?
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In reply to Eliminatus • 3:47p, 3/25/25
Looks like there is some ownership.

"President Donald Trump revealed that a staffer with national security advisor Mike Waltz's office included the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic in a Signal group chat with senior Trump officials who were discussing plans for an upcoming strike on Houthi rebels in Yemen.

"It was one of Michael's people on the phone. A staffer had his number on there," Trump told NBC in a phone interview when asked how Jeffrey Goldberg, the Atlantic's editor-in-chief, was added to the high-profile chat."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reveals-who-behind-signal-text-chain-leak
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In reply to laavispa • 3:50p, 3/25/25
laavispa said:
Looks like there is some ownership.

"President Donald Trump revealed that a staffer with national security advisor Mike Waltz's office included the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic in a Signal group chat with senior Trump officials who were discussing plans for an upcoming strike on Houthi rebels in Yemen.

"It was one of Michael's people on the phone. A staffer had his number on there," Trump told NBC in a phone interview when asked how Jeffrey Goldberg, the Atlantic's editor-in-chief, was added to the high-profile chat."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reveals-who-behind-signal-text-chain-leak
. That's not ownership…that's describing how you got caught. I feel like half the people in here are teenagers.
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3:53p, 3/25/25
My question is: is this the first time this ever happened or has it happened before and we are only hearing about it now because it happened during the Trump administration and not the previous? If it had happened during Biden administration, would Goldberg have covered for them instead of blasting it? Just a passing thought.
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In reply to Fdsa • 3:53p, 3/25/25
Fdsa said:
Logos Stick said:
Fdsa said:
IndividualFreedom said:
How does Signal work?

I am envisioning a group text from the iphone on an encrypted app. that connects to your contacts. A group leader picks who they want in the group. You can name the group. Away you go. Perhaps a password to login.

Someone who has used Signal before should explain this.

If what I wrote above is correct:

1. Who started the message, because that person had Goldberg's contact in their phone.

1A. Why is Goldberg a contact?

2. If a mistake, who did you mean to add over Goldberg?

3. Like any other group message, if the other members did not have Goldberg as a contact, only a phone number would appear.

3A. Why did nobody question who that number belonged to?
you are almost entirely correct except his name would show up to everyone when added if he has it set that way. He could just have his initials as well. It would not be his phone number.

The name of the person will only show up if they have a profile that they've made publicly visible in Signal and that profile name is set as their actual name. Three criteria must be met. If they don't have a profile, then you get just a number.
guess I have never seen that play out since all of the groups I have been in have people that want others to know who they are. I do believe he at least had his initials. Can't recall where I read that.

Edit to add: he is saying in interviews that "JG" is on his profile.


Speculation is the intended JG was U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer.
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In reply to laavispa • 3:55p, 3/25/25
They blame an unnamed staffer, that isn't owning anything.
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In reply to Fdsa • 3:56p, 3/25/25
Fdsa said:
Equinox said:
yes, Signal is authorized….for unclassified communications as a means for good OPSEC. He knows this wasn't unclassified communications and everyone who has ever had a clearance is laughing at him for saying this.
How do you know it was classified? Were you on the call?

I'm not saying it wasn't classified because I haven't seen what they talked about, only what the reporter has written.
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In reply to cslifer • 3:56p, 3/25/25
cslifer said:
They blame an unnamed staffer, that isn't owning anything.
They gave a name.
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In reply to 13B • 3:56p, 3/25/25
13B said:
My question is: is this the first time this ever happened or has it happened before and we are only hearing about it now because it happened during the Trump administration and not the previous? If it had happened during Biden administration, would Goldberg have covered for them instead of blasting it? Just a passing thought.
I guarantee you classified information is passed on Signal every day - people simply don't understand what is classified and what is not. This information however is extremely obvious. Someone without a clearance could use common sense and know this was likely classified information. They were using signal for convenience.
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In reply to Ag with kids • 3:58p, 3/25/25
Ag with kids said:
Fdsa said:
Equinox said:
yes, Signal is authorized….for unclassified communications as a means for good OPSEC. He knows this wasn't unclassified communications and everyone who has ever had a clearance is laughing at him for saying this.
How do you know it was classified? Were you on the call?

I'm not saying it wasn't classified because I haven't seen what they talked about, only what the reporter has written.


It wasn't a call - the screenshots that have been published show discussions of intent to target a group, timing of it, etc. That is typically at least SECRET or treated that way unless you are sending a message to the target.
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In reply to laavispa • 3:58p, 3/25/25
laavispa said:
Looks like there is some ownership.

"President Donald Trump revealed that a staffer with national security advisor Mike Waltz's office included the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic in a Signal group chat with senior Trump officials who were discussing plans for an upcoming strike on Houthi rebels in Yemen.

"It was one of Michael's people on the phone. A staffer had his number on there," Trump told NBC in a phone interview when asked how Jeffrey Goldberg, the Atlantic's editor-in-chief, was added to the high-profile chat."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reveals-who-behind-signal-text-chain-leak

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In reply to Ag with kids • 3:59p, 3/25/25
I was just going off the fox news story where trump said "it was one of michael's people"
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In reply to Actual Talking Thermos • 4:00p, 3/25/25
Actual Talking Thermos said:
Gaeilge said:
TOUCHDOWN! said:
Lock them up!!!

That's what we're supposed to do with people who use unsecured channels for classified government. communications, right guys?


What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Put Hillary's ass behind bars first otherwise you're suggesting two tiers of justice.
Deal
I agree...but at the very least, someone either needs to lose their job or at least get their act together. This was embarrassing. Neither is good for the goose or the gander. America loses when those in charge can't manage proper protocols for secure classified discussions. I wouldn't give either party a pass for this BS. Hillary should have been punished long ago...and Trump could have but chose not to.

In my opinion, they need to own up to it, throw some low level person under the bus, fix the issue so it doesn't happen again and move on.
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4:09p, 3/25/25
It was wrong and should not have happened.

Comparing it to Hilary's e-mails is like comparing a bad call in a pee wee footballl game to the Black Sox scandal.
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In reply to Fdsa • 4:29p, 3/25/25
Do you have a link?

Just curious so I don't have to go digging.
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In reply to Ag with kids • 4:31p, 3/25/25
Ag with kids said:
Do you have a link?

Just curious so I don't have to go digging.
Read literally any article about it - it was a group chat/text thread, not a phone call.
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4:33p, 3/25/25
So let's say that a staffer to Waltz inadvertently included Goldberg in the group chat. I don't really know how Signal works, but wouldn't that mean that the staffer had previously had Signal chats with the reporter? If so, then what the hell for?
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In reply to sam callahan • 4:38p, 3/25/25
sam callahan said:
It was wrong and should not have happened.

Comparing it to Hilary's e-mails is like comparing a bad call in a pee wee footballl game to the Black Sox scandal.
LOL
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In reply to Actual Talking Thermos • 4:42p, 3/25/25
Actual Talking Thermos said:
titan said:

Why is no one asking why the editor of the Atlantic then spread the info? That would not have happened in WW II because of national loyalty more than any fear of FDR.
If you read the article he makes it clear he left a lot out because he didn't want to compromise active intelligence agents or future war plans


You believe that? This man lied about Trump calling dead soldiers suckers. Plus, there's a conversation about taking the discussion up from signal - meaning classified channels. War plans = actual strikes in real time
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4:59p, 3/25/25
I swear Veep is a documentary.

I just picture the Chief of Staff running around the White House looking for an intern/20 year old staffer to scapegoat. Meanwhile, desperately calling Hegseth's team telling them to not let him deny since the White House has already acknowledged the claim.

Would make a great episode. Though there were 2-3 that were essentially this already.
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In reply to TAMU1990 • 5:05p, 3/25/25
TAMU1990 said:
Actual Talking Thermos said:
titan said:

Why is no one asking why the editor of the Atlantic then spread the info? That would not have happened in WW II because of national loyalty more than any fear of FDR.
If you read the article he makes it clear he left a lot out because he didn't want to compromise active intelligence agents or future war plans


You believe that? This man lied about Trump calling dead soldiers suckers. Plus, there's a conversation about taking the discussion up from signal - meaning classified channels. War plans = actual strikes in real time
is that a doctrinal term?
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