nai06 said:

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Athanasius said:

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Keep your trans out of reach of children.

Too many trans involved in school shootings.

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Here is an interesting exercise.

How many school shooters have been Trans? I'll let you include the Georgia shooter even though there isn't any real evidence at this point that he is Trans.


Now how many have been cisgendered (identified with the same biological sex listed on their birth certificate)?


Which number is higher?

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If you do the last 5 mass shootings, then trans is higher.
Which makes sense, since this is a new phenomena and the latest aggrieved group that's being pandered to by the Democrat party - combine that with being mentally ill , already have high suicide rates, and having a persecution mentality, it's not surprising they go off the rails.

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nortex97 said:

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We can't fix a problem, until we acknowledge one. People with a mental illness/psychosis who are hopped up on hormone treatments/antidepressants aren't a whole lot different even on the British isles vs. here.

The faces of some of the trans/nonbinary t*rr*rists who have committed violent crimes recently.

We need to have a national conversation about the growing epidemic of trans violence before more innocent people get kiIIed.

TRANS VIOLENCE IS VIOLENCE pic.twitter.com/juVqOqeOei

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) July 8, 2024

Make mental health facilities great again.

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Who to you believe is a greater threat to your health and safety? A Trans person or a Cisgendered one?

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On a per capita basis ? Trans and its not even close. Cisgendered-- oh good lord. You mean normal people as defined by historical norms for the last 4990 of 5000 years of civilization.

barbacoa taco said:

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Red flag laws absolutely could have made a difference here, given that authorities already knew who this shooter was and he had threatened to commit a shooting on online forums, according to reports thus far. So yeah, that's clearly more relevant than deranged posters going on unhinged rants about how much they hate trans people

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So guilty until proven innocent? The FBI didn't have enough evidence for an arrest, but…….Are you saying a constitutional right can be taken away by an accusation?

deddog said:

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nai06 said:

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Athanasius said:

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Keep your trans out of reach of children.

Too many trans involved in school shootings.

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Here is an interesting exercise.

How many school shooters have been Trans? I'll let you include the Georgia shooter even though there isn't any real evidence at this point that he is Trans.


Now how many have been cisgendered (identified with the same biological sex listed on their birth certificate)?


Which number is higher?

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If you do the last 5 mass shootings, then trans is higher.
Which makes sense, since this is a new phenomena and the latest aggrieved group that's being pandered to by the Democrat party - combine that with being mentally ill , already have high suicide rates, and having a persecution mentality, it's not surprising they go off the rails.

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Great so you can just cherry pick some numbers.

nai06 said:

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deddog said:

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nai06 said:

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Athanasius said:

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Keep your trans out of reach of children.

Too many trans involved in school shootings.

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Here is an interesting exercise.

How many school shooters have been Trans? I'll let you include the Georgia shooter even though there isn't any real evidence at this point that he is Trans.


Now how many have been cisgendered (identified with the same biological sex listed on their birth certificate)?


Which number is higher?

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If you do the last 5 mass shootings, then trans is higher.
Which makes sense, since this is a new phenomena and the latest aggrieved group that's being pandered to by the Democrat party - combine that with being mentally ill , already have high suicide rates, and having a persecution mentality, it's not surprising they go off the rails.

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Great so you can just cherry pick some numbers.

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I'm giving the you effects of what happens when Democrats pander to a section of society instead of giving them he help they need.
Democrats pander to the mentally ill, by trying to validate their delusions. That's taken off in the last two- four years. And especially in schools.
The mentally ill are convinced that the world is out to get them. They already have a high rate of suicide.
They go out and shoot those that they believe are "persecuting" them.
Democrats, predictably will blame inanimate objects like guns instead of their pandering and policies and culture wars.

How do you know what the shooter was identifying as on the day of the shooting. Everybody knows that you are allowed to identify anyway you want at anytime. They could have been using they/them pronouns on the day of the shooting.

Its kinda closed minded of you to act like you know how each individual was identifying as at that specific time. Educate yourself

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barbacoa taco said:

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Red flag laws absolutely could have made a difference here, given that authorities already knew who this shooter was and he had threatened to commit a shooting on online forums, according to reports thus far. So yeah, that's clearly more relevant than deranged posters going on unhinged rants about how much they hate trans people

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So guilty until proven innocent? The FBI didn't have enough evidence for an arrest, but…….Are you saying a constitutional right can be taken away by an accusation?

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Inside every "progressive" is a fascist just screaming to come out

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lol where to begin with that tweet.

1. This is using data from the UK
2. It says 2023 but uses data from 2021
3. The numbers they used aren't accurate based on the links they included.
4. They chose to leave Trans men and Non Binary individuals out of their population calculations
5. Sexual Offending in the UK includes sex work/sex workers. Trans women are often sex workers at a rate higher to their over all population and consistently more likely to face prosecution vs cisgender sex workers


it's bad math and manipulation of data to support a view that Trans people are inherently more dangerous than other groups.

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Can you really complain about bad math when your prior attempt in this thread tried comparing raw numbers of incidences to discuss likelihood of those incidences without taking into account population sizes?

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The likelihood that someone here would be a victim of any crime (violent or otherwise)perpetrated by a trans person is very low. You are far more likely to be a victim of a crime perpetrated by a non Trans person.


When it comes to school shooting, they are far more likely to be carried out by non Trans individuals by just about every single metric.


The aforementioned tweet doesn't take into consideration population size either nor acknowledge that they are using made up data base on their own linked sources. Yet some posters have glommed onto it as proof that Trans people are dangerous.

TommyBrady said:

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How do you know what the shooter was identifying as on the day of the shooting. Everybody knows that you are allowed to identify anyway you want at anytime. They could have been using they/them pronouns on the day of the shooting.

Its kinda closed minded of you to act like you know how each individual was identifying as at that specific time. Educate yourself

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I bet you thought this was a clever retort.

Its factual. Sorry you might have some bigoted beliefs

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B-1 83 said:

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barbacoa taco said:

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Red flag laws absolutely could have made a difference here, given that authorities already knew who this shooter was and he had threatened to commit a shooting on online forums, according to reports thus far. So yeah, that's clearly more relevant than deranged posters going on unhinged rants about how much they hate trans people

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So guilty until proven innocent? The FBI didn't have enough evidence for an arrest, but…….Are you saying a constitutional right can be taken away by an accusation?

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Inside every "progressive" is a fascist just screaming to come out

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And he illustrated the big problem with such laws - the abusers of them would most certainly want to circumvent due process.

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Fenrir said:

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nai06 said:

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lol where to begin with that tweet.

1. This is using data from the UK
2. It says 2023 but uses data from 2021
3. The numbers they used aren't accurate based on the links they included.
4. They chose to leave Trans men and Non Binary individuals out of their population calculations
5. Sexual Offending in the UK includes sex work/sex workers. Trans women are often sex workers at a rate higher to their over all population and consistently more likely to face prosecution vs cisgender sex workers


it's bad math and manipulation of data to support a view that Trans people are inherently more dangerous than other groups.

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Can you really complain about bad math when your prior attempt in this thread tried comparing raw numbers of incidences to discuss likelihood of those incidences without taking into account population sizes?

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The likelihood that someone here would be a victim of any crime (violent or otherwise)perpetrated by a trans person is very low. You are far more likely to be a victim of a crime perpetrated by a non Trans person.


When it comes to school shooting, they are far more likely to be carried out by non Trans individuals by just about every single metric.


The aforementioned tweet doesn't take into consideration population size either nor acknowledge that they are using made up data base on their own linked sources. Yet some posters have glommed onto it as proof that Trans people are dangerous.

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Trans people being more likely to be violently dangerous on a per capital basis and being a small enough population that they are a minority of overall crime committed are not mutually exclusive premises. I'm not aware of any American studies on the matter so not sure how it can summarily be denied or confirmed.

nai06 said:

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Fenrir said:

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nai06 said:

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lol where to begin with that tweet.

1. This is using data from the UK
2. It says 2023 but uses data from 2021
3. The numbers they used aren't accurate based on the links they included.
4. They chose to leave Trans men and Non Binary individuals out of their population calculations
5. Sexual Offending in the UK includes sex work/sex workers. Trans women are often sex workers at a rate higher to their over all population and consistently more likely to face prosecution vs cisgender sex workers


it's bad math and manipulation of data to support a view that Trans people are inherently more dangerous than other groups.

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Can you really complain about bad math when your prior attempt in this thread tried comparing raw numbers of incidences to discuss likelihood of those incidences without taking into account population sizes?

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The likelihood that someone here would be a victim of any crime (violent or otherwise)perpetrated by a trans person is very low. You are far more likely to be a victim of a crime perpetrated by a non Trans person.


When it comes to school shooting, they are far more likely to be carried out by non Trans individuals by just about every single metric.


The aforementioned tweet doesn't take into consideration population size either nor acknowledge that they are using made up data base on their own linked sources. Yet some posters have glommed onto it as proof that Trans people are dangerous.

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Wait until they have trans prominently in their party. Then, like all the previous "dangerous" people they hated/were afraid of will be accepted just fine. They accept the gays just fine, so it's just a matter of time before the trans are openly accepted

What a typical F16 moment. It's the transgender people we need to worry about…Not the consistent growing trend of disturbed, misanthropic teenagers and young adults committing mass murders in this country.

Scapegoating is one of the characteristics of fascism.

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What a typical F16 moment. It's the transgender people we need to worry about…Not the consistent growing trend of disturbed, misanthropic teenagers and young adults committing mass murders in this country.

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We honestly do not need to worry about either.

But being transgender should be per se evidence of mental illness. No government jobs. No guns. No jobs around children.

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deddog said:

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nai06 said:

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No one should be shocked that Andy Ngo is putting his own spin on things to support his career as a provocateur.


The CNN article doesn't mention a lack of Trans acceptance. It's a single line and fairly vague as to the meaning.

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"im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years," stated the account user, according to screenshots included in an FBI incident report from May 2023 obtained by CNN. "I cant kill myself yet, cause I'm not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did."
The account referenced Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, and in separate posts shared a desire to target an elementary school and expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people.
Above a photograph of two firearms, the account posted, "I'm ready."

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You trust CNN?

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Well when Ngo is specifically referencing the CNN article and then includes something that isn't in the article, yes.

I like how he also included 3 other photos that have zero relation to the shooting in Georgia or the shooter himself

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CNN's Isabel Rosales reports to Anderson Cooper about the Winder, Ga. school mass shooter's alleged Discord posts in 2023 expressing a desire to kill and frustrations over transgender issues. A transcript of Colt Grey's father's interview with law enforcement last year reveals… pic.twitter.com/PzJnAHW2n1

— Andy Ngo 🏳️‍🌈 (@MrAndyNgo) September 6, 2024

nai06 said:

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Athanasius said:

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Keep your trans out of reach of children.

Too many trans involved in school shootings.

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Here is an interesting exercise.

How many school shooters have been Trans? I'll let you include the Georgia shooter even though there isn't any real evidence at this point that he is Trans.


Now how many have been cisgendered (identified with the same biological sex listed on their birth certificate)?


Which number is higher?

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Tom Fox said:

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We honestly do not need to worry about either.

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Why should we not worry about a growing trend of young people willing to commit mass murder? When Columbine happened in 1999, it was unimaginable to people. Now we have multiple mass shootings just like it every year at schools and events across the nation. It's so common that most people can't even keep up with them all…How is this not alarming?

nai06 said:

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nortex97 said:

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We can't fix a problem, until we acknowledge one. People with a mental illness/psychosis who are hopped up on hormone treatments/antidepressants aren't a whole lot different even on the British isles vs. here.

The faces of some of the trans/nonbinary t*rr*rists who have committed violent crimes recently.

We need to have a national conversation about the growing epidemic of trans violence before more innocent people get kiIIed.

TRANS VIOLENCE IS VIOLENCE pic.twitter.com/juVqOqeOei

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) July 8, 2024

Make mental health facilities great again.

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Who to you believe is a greater threat to your health and safety? A Trans person or a Cisgendered one?

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On a per capita basis? Trans and it isn't even close

barbacoa taco said:

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Scapegoating is one of the characteristics of fascism.

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That's why it's always the gun's fault?

Gig em G said:

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Tom Fox said:

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We honestly do not need to worry about either.

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Why should we not worry about a growing trend of young people willing to commit mass murder? When Columbine happened in 1999, it was unimaginable to people. Now we have multiple mass shootings just like it every year at schools and events across the nation. It's so common that most people can't even keep up with them all…How is this not alarming?

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Having spent 16 years in law enforcement, people get shot on the regular. This is not a high probability phenomenon. Black male violence is far more probable.

My kids attend a target hardened private school.

And honestly, if I get clapped on the street by some punk teenager, I deserved to get smoked.

There have been 23 school shootings this year out of how many schools? If you are talking about mass shootings thugs commit way more mass shootings than crazy people. It's not really that close.

Has anyone seen any reports that this kid is on suicide watch?

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There have been 23 school shootings this year out of how many schools? If you are talking about mass shootings thugs commit way more mass shootings than crazy people. It's not really that close.

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Except most of the shootings are either a targeted attack (one happened today in Maryland, but it won't fit the narrative) or have nothing to do with the actual school itself.

The left has turned numerous things into "school shootings" which are not including gunfire near a school, a bullet which is fired from off campus and hits a school (even if it doesn't hit a person), an on campus suicide, accidental discharge by a law enforcement officer, and my personal favorite a gang banger or drug dealer getting capped while using the campus for illegal activity in the middle of the night.

Update: CNN’s reporting has been updated to say that the Georgia school shooting suspect had expressed anti-trans posts online in 2023 when he allegedly made threats online. I have deleted my first post (screenshotted here), which made a claim counter to CNN’s current reporting.… pic.twitter.com/TXRae9N7Cg

— Andy Ngo 🏳️‍🌈 (@MrAndyNgo) September 6, 2024

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Holding parents responsible can be quite the slippery slope. If this was a teenage gang banger in Chicago you'd feel the same?

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They don't have dads

Excellent point.

I'm specifically referring to shootings where the perpetrator is wanting to kill as many people possible at random. I know there are gang related shootings all the time, but you can't deny there are more random mass shootings now than there were decades ago. I am curious as to why this is happening, and I'm not pointing the finger at "guns" at all.

Perhaps more prevalence of online communities where these shooters are motivated or encouraged by other deranged people? I honestly don't know.

We also used to lock up crazy people.

Realized i already replied to this

78669AG said:

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Old May Banker said:

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Holding parents responsible can be quite the slippery slope. If this was a teenage gang banger in Chicago you'd feel the same?

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They don't have dads

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Moms and Grandmas
Lock 'em up.

deddog said:

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78669AG said:

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Old May Banker said:

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Holding parents responsible can be quite the slippery slope. If this was a teenage gang banger in Chicago you'd feel the same?

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They don't have dads

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Moms and Grandmas
Lock 'em up.

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"Auntie(s)"

Gig em G said:

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Tom Fox said:

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We honestly do not need to worry about either.

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Why should we not worry about a growing trend of young people willing to commit mass murder? When Columbine happened in 1999, it was unimaginable to people. Now we have multiple mass shootings just like it every year at schools and events across the nation. It's so common that most people can't even keep up with them all…How is this not alarming?

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There isn't a growing trend in actual numbers
The growing trend is the media frenzy.

The number of kids shot in mass shootings still pales in comparison to those killed by gang bangers.
Homicide numbers were reducing until the Democrats unleashed BLM rioting , and cities reduced their police forces.

But gang bangers killing other teens, can't be used as an argument for gun control. In fact, it shows the fallacy of gun control. Which is why media sensationalizes school shootings, because people then use emotion instead of facts.

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backintexas2013 said:

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There have been 23 school shootings this year out of how many schools? If you are talking about mass shootings thugs commit way more mass shootings than crazy people. It's not really that close.

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Except most of the shootings are either a targeted attack (one happened today in Maryland, but it won't fit the narrative) or have nothing to do with the actual school itself.

The left has turned numerous things into "school shootings" which are not including gunfire near a school, a bullet which is fired from off campus and hits a school (even if it doesn't hit a person), an on campus suicide, accidental discharge by a law enforcement officer, and my personal favorite a gang banger or drug dealer getting capped while using the campus for illegal activity in the middle of the night.

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This.
An interesting a side effect of this is that the "most mast shooters are white argument" doesn't hold true anymore.