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Too many people arguing whether it's okay for a child to get an AR for Christmas and whether the dad bears any liability. Is everyone forgetting that the dad bought the gift even after knowing his kid was investigated for posting suggestive thoughts on school shootings that year? Of course the dad bears liability.

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So if a kid learning to drive is routinely speeding, but his parents buy him a car when he turns 16 and the state grants him a license and he ends up speeding and killing a family in their minivan one day - do the parents need to be charged as well?

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Did the dad get some inkling that he could be capable of killing a family from an FBI investigation the same year?

Edit to add: Conservatives don't want red flag laws. One argument is it should be the family's responsibility to take the guns away from questionable individuals. The dad clearly didn't.

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Deprive a person of their rights based on hearsay?
Sounds very fascist. If you think someone e is mentally incapable of owning a firearm , put them in an asylum. Don't tell me they are ok to drive but not to own a firearm. Also we do t know the details of what's happened with the FBI ( other than what the FBI is releasing) . Some of which is to cover their ass, after failing to prevent a mass shooting yet another time.

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How is the dad taking the guns away violating his rights? You're reaching.

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I meant red flag laws. Haven't heard the dad's side of the story. Was the FBI convincing? Were they clear to him about the danger they think the son posed? Clearly they had no proof.

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Daily Mail has obtained transcripts from Colt Gray's father's interview with law enforcement last year. The father reveals that his son, who is accused of carrying out a mass shooting this week at school, was bullied for being queer. https://t.co/9PDUDE0qUT pic.twitter.com/8YN1ykuNxP

— Andy Ngo 🏳️‍🌈 (@MrAndyNgo) September 6, 2024

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Not so fast. Read the article Ngo references. This quote could cut either way imo:

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The account referenced Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, and in separate posts shared a desire to target an elementary school and expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people.

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Well referencing other things that have been said, I take it as he is sympathetic to trans people. Also he was gay/queer which would lead me to believe he would be sympathetic to trans people as well.

Needless to say, he had a mental disorder to want to kill people, whatever his stance.

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I probably agree with you, I just the wording in the article vague. Possibly intentionally to confuse everyone lol.

Shocked face.

Law enforcement sources speaking to CNN reveal that the Discord account belonging to the Winder, Ga. mass school shooting suspect allegedly had posts about plans for a mass shooting over grievances about the lack of trans acceptance. https://t.co/2IxZ3wVJ0v

Suspect Colt Gray was… pic.twitter.com/Snn7OH3jx1

— Andy Ngo 🏳️‍🌈 (@MrAndyNgo) September 6, 2024

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Too many people arguing whether it's okay for a child to get an AR for Christmas and whether the dad bears any liability. Is everyone forgetting that the dad bought the gift even after knowing his kid was investigated for posting suggestive thoughts on school shootings that year? Of course the dad bears liability.

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So if a kid learning to drive is routinely speeding, but his parents buy him a car when he turns 16 and the state grants him a license and he ends up speeding and killing a family in their minivan one day - do the parents need to be charged as well?

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Did the dad get some inkling that he could be capable of killing a family from an FBI investigation the same year?

Edit to add: Conservatives don't want red flag laws. One argument is it should be the family's responsibility to take the guns away from questionable individuals. The dad clearly didn't.

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Deprive a person of their rights based on hearsay?
Sounds very fascist. If you think someone e is mentally incapable of owning a firearm , put them in an asylum. Don't tell me they are ok to drive but not to own a firearm. Also we do t know the details of what's happened with the FBI ( other than what the FBI is releasing) . Some of which is to cover their ass, after failing to prevent a mass shooting yet another time.

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How is the dad taking the guns away violating his rights? You're reaching.

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I meant red flag laws. Haven't heard the dad's side of the story. Was the FBI convincing? Were they clear to him about the danger they think the son posed? Clearly they had no proof.

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Their lack of "proof" stemmed from the kid denying it was his account even though it was traced to his address. There were also pings to the account from two other distant locations from Georgia and the kid denied him doing those. Proof or not. I'm a dad. If law enforcement comes to me with concerns that my child may have threatened to shoot up a school, I'm not turning around and buying him a gun a few months later. That's just stupid and irresponsible parenting.

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weird we're already learning so much about this kid and both of his parents and still nothing about Crooks.

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Nothing about the Crooks guy? A lot of info about the Crooks guy was released and reported. Guessing though you are a fan of a conspiracy theory that the released information didn't fit? If so, well, that is the life of a conspiracy theory believer!

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Too many people arguing whether it's okay for a child to get an AR for Christmas and whether the dad bears any liability. Is everyone forgetting that the dad bought the gift even after knowing his kid was investigated for posting suggestive thoughts on school shootings that year? Of course the dad bears liability.

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So if a kid learning to drive is routinely speeding, but his parents buy him a car when he turns 16 and the state grants him a license and he ends up speeding and killing a family in their minivan one day - do the parents need to be charged as well?

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Did the dad get some inkling that he could be capable of killing a family from an FBI investigation the same year?

Edit to add: Conservatives don't want red flag laws. One argument is it should be the family's responsibility to take the guns away from questionable individuals. The dad clearly didn't.

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Deprive a person of their rights based on hearsay?
Sounds very fascist. If you think someone e is mentally incapable of owning a firearm , put them in an asylum. Don't tell me they are ok to drive but not to own a firearm. Also we do t know the details of what's happened with the FBI ( other than what the FBI is releasing) . Some of which is to cover their ass, after failing to prevent a mass shooting yet another time.

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How is the dad taking the guns away violating his rights? You're reaching.

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I meant red flag laws. Haven't heard the dad's side of the story. Was the FBI convincing? Were they clear to him about the danger they think the son posed? Clearly they had no proof.

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Their lack of "proof" stemmed from the kid denying it was his account even though it was traced to his address. There were also pings to the account from two other distant locations from Georgia and the kid denied him doing those. Proof or not. I'm a dad. If law enforcement comes to me with concerns that my child may have threatened to shoot up a school, I'm not turning around and buying him a gun a few months later. That's just stupid and irresponsible parenting.

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If that's the way it went. Agree. The FBI can't arrest someone for making a terroristic threat?
If the Trans part is true, I can see the dad trying g to man up the kid.

No one should be shocked that Andy Ngo is putting his own spin on things to support his career as a provocateur.


The CNN article doesn't mention a lack of Trans acceptance. It's a single line and fairly vague as to the meaning.

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"im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years," stated the account user, according to screenshots included in an FBI incident report from May 2023 obtained by CNN. "I cant kill myself yet, cause I'm not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did."
The account referenced Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, and in separate posts shared a desire to target an elementary school and expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people.
Above a photograph of two firearms, the account posted, "I'm ready."

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No one should be shocked that Andy Ngo is putting his own spin on things to support his career as a provocateur.


The CNN article doesn't mention a lack of Trans acceptance. It's a single line and fairly vague as to the meaning.

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"im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years," stated the account user, according to screenshots included in an FBI incident report from May 2023 obtained by CNN. "I cant kill myself yet, cause I'm not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did."
The account referenced Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, and in separate posts shared a desire to target an elementary school and expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people.
Above a photograph of two firearms, the account posted, "I'm ready."

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You trust CNN? But agree the quote could mean anything

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weird we're already learning so much about this kid and both of his parents and still nothing about Crooks.

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Nothing about the Crooks guy? A lot of info about the Crooks guy was released and reported. Guessing though you are a fan of a conspiracy theory that the released information didn't fit? If so, well, that is the life of a conspiracy theory believer!

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I've seen nothing about his mother, his father, his family/home life, his discord posts, what his former classmates said about him, etc. --- pretty much all of these things we already know about Colt Gray.

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weird we're already learning so much about this kid and both of his parents and still nothing about Crooks.

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Nothing about the Crooks guy? A lot of info about the Crooks guy was released and reported. Guessing though you are a fan of a conspiracy theory that the released information didn't fit? If so, well, that is the life of a conspiracy theory believer!

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I've seen nothing about his mother, his father, his family/home life, his discord posts, what his former classmates said about him, etc. --- pretty much all of these things we already know about Colt Gray.

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There were plenty of interviews with Crooks former classmates in the days after the shooting.

Also, plenty of info put out about his parents.

So, either you didn't look, or you chose to ignore it all.

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No one should be shocked that Andy Ngo is putting his own spin on things to support his career as a provocateur.


The CNN article doesn't mention a lack of Trans acceptance. It's a single line and fairly vague as to the meaning.

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"im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years," stated the account user, according to screenshots included in an FBI incident report from May 2023 obtained by CNN. "I cant kill myself yet, cause I'm not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did."
The account referenced Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, and in separate posts shared a desire to target an elementary school and expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people.
Above a photograph of two firearms, the account posted, "I'm ready."

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You trust CNN?

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Well when Ngo is specifically referencing the CNN article and then includes something that isn't in the article, yes.

I like how he also included 3 other photos that have zero relation to the shooting in Georgia or the shooter himself

maybe so. but I'm not trying to ignore. anything and everything was getting deleted and users banned left and right in the "facts only" thread on texags even though everything was coming out so fast no one knew what was fact and what "allowable" to wonder about on texags, so i removed it from my watchlist. ..but I haven't seen anything in my timeline of any of my X accounts either. complete opposite with this guy.

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Keep your trans out of reach of children.

Too many trans involved in school shootings.

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Here is an interesting exercise.

How many school shooters have been Trans? I'll let you include the Georgia shooter even though there isn't any real evidence at this point that he is Trans.


Now how many have been cisgendered (identified with the same biological sex listed on their birth certificate)?


Which number is higher?

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No one should be shocked that Andy Ngo is putting his own spin on things to support his career as a provocateur.


The CNN article doesn't mention a lack of Trans acceptance. It's a single line and fairly vague as to the meaning.

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"im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years," stated the account user, according to screenshots included in an FBI incident report from May 2023 obtained by CNN. "I cant kill myself yet, cause I'm not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did."
The account referenced Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, and in separate posts shared a desire to target an elementary school and expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people.
Above a photograph of two firearms, the account posted, "I'm ready."

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Didn't the FBI verify that the Discord account did belong to the shooter?

Also, like I said before, using context clues of what has been said about the shooter and him being gay/queer it is not really that vague. Not to mention, wouldn't he have shot up some trans people if he didn't like trans people?

Needless to say, HE WAS MENTALLY ILL.

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maybe so. but I'm not trying to ignore. anything and everything was getting deleted and users banned left and right in the "facts only" thread on texags even though everything was coming out so fast no one knew what was fact and what "allowable" to wonder about on texags, so i removed it from my watchlist. ..but I haven't seen anything in my timeline of any of my X accounts either. complete opposite with this guy.

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Here you go...just a couple of the many YouTube videos of media reports within the first 48 hours of the Trump shooting giving all sorts of trivia question details regarding Crooks...such as how he was rejected by his high school rifle team, was bullied at school, liked History class, etc.

Former classmate of Trump rally gunman says he was 'bullied almost every day' - YouTube

Who Was Thomas Crooks? - YouTube

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Keep your trans out of reach of children.

Too many trans involved in school shootings.

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Here is an interesting exercise.

How many school shooters have been Trans? I'll let you include the Georgia shooter even though there isn't any real evidence at this point that he is Trans.


Now how many have been cisgendered (identified with the same biological sex listed on their birth certificate)?


Which number is higher?

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"Trans" people are more likely than others to be criminally violent, period.

So, in comparison:

Men have a 131x higher sexual offending rate than women.

Men identifying as trans have the highest sexual offending rate, which is 640x higher than women and 4.85x higher than men who don't identify as trans.

— 𝓓𝖗. 𝓥𝖔𝐱 𝓞𝖈𝖚𝖑𝖎, 𝐌𝐃 👁️‍🗨️ (@Vox_Oculi) September 5, 2024

While I agree it's not a trans problem. Thats a stupid comparison. What is the percentage of the population that is transgender? About 1.5%? So there are 23 school shootings so far this year. If 2 were transgender that would be Roughly 9% of school shootings are by transgender. That would mean they are over represented in school shootings.


I don't believe this as crazy is just crazy just pointing out that you can't compare and a statistical comparison isn't going to help either because it's a very small number.

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Keep your trans out of reach of children.

Too many trans involved in school shootings.

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Yeah, that's the problem. Trans kids shooting up schools and not kids having unfettered access to firearms.

Trans shooter. Now I'm interested in the story.

So goes to new school why?
First day of new school does not go as expected.
Second day is ….

Nortex conveniently leaving out the litany of red flags this shooter gave off (including an affinity for past school shooters) and his wildly irresponsible father for getting his teenage son an AR-15 for Christmas despite clear evidence that he should not, all to go on some truly deranged rampage about trans people, even though there's no evidence that the shooter is trans thus far. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

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No one should be shocked that Andy Ngo is putting his own spin on things to support his career as a provocateur.


The CNN article doesn't mention a lack of Trans acceptance. It's a single line and fairly vague as to the meaning.

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"im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years," stated the account user, according to screenshots included in an FBI incident report from May 2023 obtained by CNN. "I cant kill myself yet, cause I'm not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did."
The account referenced Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, and in separate posts shared a desire to target an elementary school and expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people.
Above a photograph of two firearms, the account posted, "I'm ready."

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Didn't the FBI verify that the Discord account did belong to the shooter?

Also, like I said before, using context clues of what has been said about the shooter and him being gay/queer it is not really that vague. Not to mention, wouldn't he have shot up some trans people if he didn't like trans people?

Needless to say, HE WAS MENTALLY ILL.

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I don't think they had enough to charge him, and that started this horrific ball rolling. My question is what on earth does/did it take to charge him????

You mean like the people screaming gun control?

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While I agree it's not a trans problem. Thats a stupid comparison. What is the percentage of the population that is transgender? About 1.5%? So there are 23 school shootings so far this year. If 2 were transgender that would be Roughly 9% of school shootings are by transgender. That would mean they are over represented in school shootings.


I don't believe this as crazy is just crazy just pointing out that you can't compare and a statistical comparison isn't going to help either because it's a very small number.

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~0.5% or 1.6 million aged 13 and above identify as transgender.

Red flag laws absolutely could have made a difference here, given that authorities already knew who this shooter was and he had threatened to commit a shooting on online forums, according to reports thus far. So yeah, that's clearly more relevant than deranged posters going on unhinged rants about how much they hate trans people

I was more specific to youth 13-18. I thought I read it was 1.5% but I am old and don't like stats much anyway

See you can go on your Rant on what you support. They can go on theirs. You just agree with yours like they do theirs.

lol where to begin with that tweet.

1. This is using data from the UK
2. It says 2023 but uses data from 2021
3. The numbers they used aren't accurate based on the links they included.
4. They chose to leave Trans men and Non Binary individuals out of their population calculations
5. Sexual Offending in the UK includes sex work/sex workers. Trans women are often sex workers at a rate higher to their over all population and consistently more likely to face prosecution vs cisgender sex workers


it's bad math and manipulation of data to support a view that Trans people are inherently more dangerous than other groups.

We can't fix a problem, until we acknowledge one. People with a mental illness/psychosis who are hopped up on hormone treatments/antidepressants aren't a whole lot different even on the British isles vs. here.

The faces of some of the trans/nonbinary t*rr*rists who have committed violent crimes recently.

We need to have a national conversation about the growing epidemic of trans violence before more innocent people get kiIIed.

TRANS VIOLENCE IS VIOLENCE pic.twitter.com/juVqOqeOei

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) July 8, 2024

Make mental health facilities great again.

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Red flag laws absolutely could have made a difference here, given that authorities already knew who this shooter was and he had threatened to commit a shooting on online forums, according to reports thus far. So yeah, that's clearly more relevant than deranged posters going on unhinged rants about how much they hate trans people

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How?

He didn't purchase the gun. That would not have prevented his dad from purchasing it and keeping it at the house.

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We can't fix a problem, until we acknowledge one. People with a mental illness/psychosis who are hopped up on hormone treatments/antidepressants aren't a whole lot different even on the British isles vs. here.

The faces of some of the trans/nonbinary t*rr*rists who have committed violent crimes recently.

We need to have a national conversation about the growing epidemic of trans violence before more innocent people get kiIIed.

TRANS VIOLENCE IS VIOLENCE pic.twitter.com/juVqOqeOei

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) July 8, 2024

Make mental health facilities great again.

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Who to you believe is a greater threat to your health and safety? A Trans person or a Cisgendered one?

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lol where to begin with that tweet.

1. This is using data from the UK
2. It says 2023 but uses data from 2021
3. The numbers they used aren't accurate based on the links they included.
4. They chose to leave Trans men and Non Binary individuals out of their population calculations
5. Sexual Offending in the UK includes sex work/sex workers. Trans women are often sex workers at a rate higher to their over all population and consistently more likely to face prosecution vs cisgender sex workers


it's bad math and manipulation of data to support a view that Trans people are inherently more dangerous than other groups.

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Can you really complain about bad math when your prior attempt in this thread tried comparing raw numbers of incidences to discuss likelihood of those incidences without taking into account population sizes?

I would say I am a greater threat to my own health and
Safety.


I also think cis is an absolute made up dumb woke word.

I pointed that out. No response.

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I refuse to look up what the crazy definition is of a 'Cis-gendered' person. Sorry, not interested in the new English language of the….well, anyway.

Everyone who denies their own gender, and then also demands everyone pretend their dress up game is real and has to obey it, I think is mentally ill. Mentally ill people are inherently unstable/dangerous, as are people on drugs. HTH.