B-1 83 said:

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As others have asked, so what if he was "on the FBI's radar"? What does that really mean? Is an agent assigned to monitor his on-line activity? Weekly "wellness checks" at the home? Home gun inspections? Required government counseling?

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Was the school aware?
On and FBI radar + threats to the school == being better prepared for a shooter

BadMoonRisin said:

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The question: can you wait about a year....maybe September?

The FBI are ****ing worthless asshats.

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Maybe they're not questioning him. Maybe they're the ones whispering to him to do crazy ***t.

/fashions foil hat

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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Urban Ag said:

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so what's your suggestion then?

I'm not willing to disarm considering what the democrat party is willfully and wantonly doing to this country. Why would I? That's suicide. Those of us that are still actually having families and planning futures beyond our own selfish desires aren't throwing in the towel nor giving away our rights because the lowest common denominators of society wreck havoc.

So you got a plan for the mentally ill? I'll listen.

Maybe we could militarize our border too.

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I don't have any suggestions. Just pointing out the reality. The cow is out of the barn.

It's sad, isn't it? I visited South Korea for two weeks last year and it was amazing to walk around Seoul at night and feel completely and utterly safe.

My feeling is that the Founding Fathers, had they been able to foresee how this would go, would probably have chosen their words a bit differently.

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I think the founding fathers were assuming that parents would parent and raise there children with respect and morals.

They are always on the radar.

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B-1 83 said:

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As others have asked, so what if he was "on the FBI's radar"? What does that really mean? Is an agent assigned to monitor his on-line activity? Weekly "wellness checks" at the home? Home gun inspections? Required government counseling?

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Was the school aware?
On and FBI radar + threats to the school == being better prepared for a shooter

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I noticed the news mentioned that the kid changed school systems after that incident. He was attending school in a different county this year than last year. Even if the previous school was notified, did such information travel? I would also be interested in knowing if the kid changing schools had anything to do all with the kid's behavior, or merely coincidental.

Maybe a teacher could chime in here- but does a kid's record follow them with any move they make? If not, why not? The receiving school should have an idea of the student they are gaining

Who?mikejones! said:

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Maybe a teacher could chime in here- but does a kid's record follow them with any move they make? If not, why not? The receiving school should have an idea of the student they are gaining

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sorta. Say the kid was assigned a discipline placement to the alternative campus at one school and decided to move because he didn't want to do it. The new district still requires the student to serve that placement. (at least in TX). However, a lot of it is shady and not very transparent as far as what new schools know of when new students come in.

Hell, look at all the brand new students TX is getting from Mexico. The districts don't have a ****ing clue about them or there parents. This is an even bigger problem.

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Maybe a teacher could chime in here- but does a kid's record follow them with any move they make? If not, why not? The receiving school should have an idea of the student they are gaining

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Here in Florida it certainly can.

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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We've always had mentally unstable people. What we didn't have is easy access to devices designed to unleash such a tremendous fusillade of lethal firepower so quickly and cheaply.

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Anyone could buy one of these in the 1920s.




That would be about $3,600 in 2024 dollars. Pricey, but not out of reach.

If you were a farmer, you could buy one for 108 bushels of wheat. If you could find a Thompson today for $3600, it would take about 750 bushels of wheat.

A Thompson today would be worth anywhere from $15,000 to $115,000

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Danimal said:

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Why is it that kids who grow up with AR style weapons in the house seem to want to get their hands on them? Is there maybe a link between immature parents who like to virtue signal and bad parenting?

Makes you wonder.

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No it doesn't.

Dad taught me how to shoot an AR-15 when I was a kid. I could hit targets at 150-200 yards with iron sights.

Never once did I think about using it for anything but shooting at the gun range.

The problem is not the guns, or the type of guns.

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He may have a point. My kids grew up around ARs. One is now a competitive shooter and holds NRA instructor certifications, the other has been known to shoot a 20mm Gatling gun out of an airplane.

It seems like this should be pretty simple.

When you transfer schools, the losing school sends a transcript of academic, participatory and discipline activities. Obviously, migrant kids won't have that but the school is would start building that record.

This might well exist, but, it's appears murky to me now

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It seems like this should be pretty simple.

When you transfer schools, the losing school sends a transcript of academic, participatory and discipline activities. Obviously, migrant kids won't have that but the school is would start building that record.

This might well exist, but, it's appears murky to me now

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They do. I am saying in some cases a lot of info with interactions with police, fbi, etc outside of school hours the school will not know about, and the new school damn sure won't know about.

Gotcha.

I'd hope an FBI investigation into a potential school shooting threat would be shared with the school

CanyonAg77 said:

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Aggie Apotheosis said:

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We've always had mentally unstable people. What we didn't have is easy access to devices designed to unleash such a tremendous fusillade of lethal firepower so quickly and cheaply.

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Anyone could buy one of these in the 1920s.




That would be about $3,600 in 2024 dollars. Pricey, but not out of reach.

If you were a farmer, you could buy one for 108 bushels of wheat. If you could find a Thompson today for $3600, it would take about 750 bushels of wheat.

A Thompson today would be worth anywhere from $15,000 to $115,000

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One could also legally buy a Browning Automatic Rifle (Colt Monitor) for around $300.

To find a legally transferrable one today is insanely expensive.

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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Urban Ag said:

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so what's your suggestion then?

I'm not willing to disarm considering what the democrat party is willfully and wantonly doing to this country. Why would I? That's suicide. Those of us that are still actually having families and planning futures beyond our own selfish desires aren't throwing in the towel nor giving away our rights because the lowest common denominators of society wreck havoc.

So you got a plan for the mentally ill? I'll listen.

Maybe we could militarize our border too.

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I don't have any suggestions. Just pointing out the reality. The cow is out of the barn.

It's sad, isn't it? I visited South Korea for two weeks last year and it was amazing to walk around Seoul at night and feel completely and utterly safe.

My feeling is that the Founding Fathers, had they been able to foresee how this would go, would probably have chosen their words a bit differently.

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And your feeling would be 100% incorrect! As has been said many times, the founding Fathers didn't just return from a hunting trip when they wrote the 2nd Amendment, they had just overthrown a tyrannical government. They wrote phrases about the 2nd like, "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery". That shows they knew exactly the dangers of a well armed population, but felt it was important enough to assure a free society.

It is purely a mental health issue that is aided by modern medicine, lack of accountability, immoral parenting and sometimes, grooming.

The reason South Korea and Japan feel safe is because they didn't spend their entire history making sure a significant portion of their population didn't have anything. Look no further than Mississippi for an example of this. Almost 40% black and poorest state in the Union.

Rich people don't have high crime rates. Poor people do, and that's consistent around the world no matter the demographics. The easiest way to lower crime rates is to lift up your poor. The countries with the lowest poverty rates also are the safest. Japan and Korea are unique in their poor are rural. Rural life is cheaper than city life so it is easier to manage. See rural America for that validation. You can buy a functional house in WV for 30k. People in their cities are doing well for themselves.

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The reason South Korea and Japan feel safe is because they didn't spend their entire history making sure a significant portion of their population didn't have anything. Look no further than Mississippi for an example of this. Almost 40% black and poorest state in the Union.

Rich people don't have high crime rates. Poor people do, and that's consistent around the world no matter the demographics. The easiest way to lower crime rates is to lift up your poor. The countries with the lowest poverty rates also are the safest. Japan and Korea are unique in their poor are rural. Rural life is cheaper than city life so it is easier to manage. See rural America for that validation. You can buy a functional house in WV for 30k. People in their cities are doing well for themselves.

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OMG, a history illiterate.

It's not poverty it's culture. Poverty as a criminogenic risk factor is way down the list. It's not the big 4 and it isn't poverty alone it's living in poverty where it's single parent and throw in history of incarceration of the family.

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Maybe so but the volume of guns in circulation is much higher now than it was 50 years ago and the percentage ownership of pistols vs long guns has changed dramatically. 50 years ago people owned rifles and shotguns for hunting. Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry has a pistol, which is the easiest weapon to conceal and use to perpetuate crime. It's just a numbers game that the more people who have them the more likely some of those people are idiots.

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If you disarmed every Democrat in America, gun crime would be about five percent. Guns aren't the problem. Mentally unstable people are

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Wrong. Neither guns nor mentally unstable people are the problem. The problem is mentally unstable people with easy access to extremely lethal guns. Take either the gun out of this equation or the mentally unstable person and those four people are alive tonight.

We've always had mentally unstable people. What we didn't have is easy access to devices designed to unleash such a tremendous fusillade of lethal firepower so quickly and cheaply.

Other countries have mentally unstable people. Other countries don't see mass shootings with the frequency that we do.

In 2023, seven people died after being shot in Japan, a country of 125 million. Seven. Are Japanese people much more mentally stable than Americans?

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Japan is much more homogenous than we are and doesn't have a fraction of the underbelly we have nor do they have democrats. I have never met anyone who said "I wish we were like Japan" so far.

dropping by said:

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The reason South Korea and Japan feel safe is because they didn't spend their entire history making sure a significant portion of their population didn't have anything. Look no further than Mississippi for an example of this. Almost 40% black and poorest state in the Union.

Rich people don't have high crime rates. Poor people do, and that's consistent around the world no matter the demographics. The easiest way to lower crime rates is to lift up your poor. The countries with the lowest poverty rates also are the safest. Japan and Korea are unique in their poor are rural. Rural life is cheaper than city life so it is easier to manage. See rural America for that validation. You can buy a functional house in WV for 30k. People in their cities are doing well for themselves.

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Federal government had been trying to "lift poor people up" since LBJ, and all's its done is make people poorer. School systems are pretty much in the same boat.

WV is cheaper bc nobody wants to live there.

You can also find dirt cheap housing in Lueders Texas.

dropping by said:

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The reason South Korea and Japan feel safe is because they didn't spend their entire history making sure a significant portion of their population didn't have anything. Look no further than Mississippi for an example of this. Almost 40% black and poorest state in the Union.

Rich people don't have high crime rates. Poor people do, and that's consistent around the world no matter the demographics. The easiest way to lower crime rates is to lift up your poor. The countries with the lowest poverty rates also are the safest. Japan and Korea are unique in their poor are rural. Rural life is cheaper than city life so it is easier to manage. See rural America for that validation. You can buy a functional house in WV for 30k. People in their cities are doing well for themselves.

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Rich or Poor has nothing to do with it, its culture and IQ

Who?mikejones! said:

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Maybe a teacher could chime in here- but does a kid's record follow them with any move they make? If not, why not? The receiving school should have an idea of the student they are gaining

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I looked this up-don't know how it works if kids move state to state.
In Texas, House Bill Three Transfer of Student Records (Dec 2023), states a cumulative record of formal disciplinary actions and behavior threat assessments from the date that the student was first enrolled in a public school is required to be transferred to any new school district. Behavior threat assessment records must be transferred and kept until the students 24th birthday.

https://tea.texas.gov/about-tea/news-and-multimedia/correspondence/taa-letters/house-bill-3-transfer-of-student-records

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dropping by said:

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The reason South Korea and Japan feel safe is because they didn't spend their entire history making sure a significant portion of their population didn't have anything. Look no further than Mississippi for an example of this. Almost 40% black and poorest state in the Union.

Rich people don't have high crime rates. Poor people do, and that's consistent around the world no matter the demographics. The easiest way to lower crime rates is to lift up your poor. The countries with the lowest poverty rates also are the safest. Japan and Korea are unique in their poor are rural. Rural life is cheaper than city life so it is easier to manage. See rural America for that validation. You can buy a functional house in WV for 30k. People in their cities are doing well for themselves.

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Federal government had been trying to "lift poor people up" since LBJ, and all's its done is make people poorer. School systems are pretty much in the same boat.

WV is cheaper bc nobody wants to live there.

You can also find dirt cheap housing in Lueders Texas.

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Correct, the war on poverty is a failure.

dropping by said:

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The reason South Korea and Japan feel safe is because they didn't spend their entire history making sure a significant portion of their population didn't have anything. Look no further than Mississippi for an example of this. Almost 40% black and poorest state in the Union.

Rich people don't have high crime rates. Poor people do, and that's consistent around the world no matter the demographics. The easiest way to lower crime rates is to lift up your poor. The countries with the lowest poverty rates also are the safest. Japan and Korea are unique in their poor are rural. Rural life is cheaper than city life so it is easier to manage. See rural America for that validation. You can buy a functional house in WV for 30k. People in their cities are doing well for themselves.

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Also if you look at the entire history of Japan you will see large portions of the population didnt have anything and lived in serfdom at best.

Thank you

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The reason South Korea and Japan feel safe is because they didn't spend their entire history making sure a significant portion of their population didn't have anything. Look no further than Mississippi for an example of this. Almost 40% black and poorest state in the Union.

Rich people don't have high crime rates. Poor people do, and that's consistent around the world no matter the demographics. The easiest way to lower crime rates is to lift up your poor. The countries with the lowest poverty rates also are the safest. Japan and Korea are unique in their poor are rural. Rural life is cheaper than city life so it is easier to manage. See rural America for that validation. You can buy a functional house in WV for 30k. People in their cities are doing well for themselves.

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Oh goodness. And how do you propose we "lift up our poor"?

Be specific

This oughtta be good

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Also if you look at the entire history of Japan

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Username checks out

Our "poor" is so much wealthier than the "poor" across the rest of the world.

Our standard of living and quality of life is the highest of all time.

The poor among us live in a way that the richest of kings of the not so distant past could not even dream about.

Crime has skyrocketed and not because people are financially worse off, but because the family structure has been eroded.

You think crime and poverty correlate well? Wait until you check out crime and fatherless homes.

dropping by said:

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The reason South Korea and Japan feel safe is because they didn't spend their entire history making sure a significant portion of their population didn't have anything. Look no further than Mississippi for an example of this. Almost 40% black and poorest state in the Union.

Rich people don't have high crime rates. Poor people do, and that's consistent around the world no matter the demographics. The easiest way to lower crime rates is to lift up your poor. The countries with the lowest poverty rates also are the safest. Japan and Korea are unique in their poor are rural. Rural life is cheaper than city life so it is easier to manage. See rural America for that validation. You can buy a functional house in WV for 30k. People in their cities are doing well for themselves.

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This is bull***** I grew up dirt poor. My mother was a 19 year old widow without a HS education. She taught me right from wrong. She once whipped my ass in a mall parking lot for taking a golf tee from a sporting goods shop. After she beat my ass she took me in the shop to apologize. The poor guy at the counter was horrified and informed my mom that the golf tees were free and complimentary. Was I off the hook? No. I got grounded for not asking permission.

Poverty is a bull**** excuse. You have choices in life. Lots of people grow up poor. They don't all choose to become criminals. I didn't.

Goes back to culture, morality and family structure.

Aggie Apotheosis said:

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InfantryAg said:

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Imprisoning more people, who cares

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Small government conservatives who believe in civil liberty?

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Why did you leave off the second half of that statement?

"Imprisoning more people, who cares; We should be imprisoning way more criminals than we do".

Propaganda much? Oh, yeah...

FYI, civil liberty doesn't mean you get to victimize other citizens.

Before this thread gets too far off topic- it's about a school shooting. I doubt the kid did it because he was poor, as we don't even know if he was poor. I don't know that poverty is a big driver of school shootings.

There's 2 issues- school shootings and general gun crime. They are not the same and do not have the same drivers, in general.

The one common thing is that banning ar15s will solve neither general gun crimes nor school shootings.

The "worst" shooting was vatech, and he used handguns. 2 others in the top 10 highest numbers killed were Charles Whitman and the Enoch brown massacre in 1764, done with clubs, knives and muskets. 7 out top 10 most deadly we're done with weapons other than ar15s or aks.

Such weapon platforms, and the banning of them, is just not that big of an impact on the overall situation

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The reason South Korea and Japan feel safe is because they didn't spend their entire history making sure a significant portion of their population didn't have anything.

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This may well rank as one of the stupidest things I've read on TexAgs. This isn't 1824…..it isn't 1924….its 2024. At what point do people take responsibility for their own situation? Equal opportunity =/= equal results and never will.

dropping by said:

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The reason South Korea and Japan feel safe is because they didn't spend their entire history making sure a significant portion of their population didn't have anything. Look no further than Mississippi for an example of this. Almost 40% black and poorest state in the Union.

Rich people don't have high crime rates. Poor people do, and that's consistent around the world no matter the demographics. The easiest way to lower crime rates is to lift up your poor. The countries with the lowest poverty rates also are the safest. Japan and Korea are unique in their poor are rural. Rural life is cheaper than city life so it is easier to manage. See rural America for that validation. You can buy a functional house in WV for 30k. People in their cities are doing well for themselves.

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Well, user name certainly checks out