School shooting in GA

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aggiehawg
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austinAG90 said:

aggiehawg said:

aggiebrother33 said:

A couple of the student interviews knew pretty much who it was they said, based on how he acted and said he very rarely even made class they thought if it ever happened it would be him. Sounds like there were red flags if true…
That's not good for the parents, if true.
Nor the school administrators and teachers. Back in the day when teachers cared about the kid who stayed in the corner and assisted them. Now only the trans and other "special kids" get any attention.
There is an immunity issue with the schools under many circumstances. As long as the school reported the truancy and other issues to the parents and required authorities?

They had school resource officers on site, one of which the kid surrendered to according to reports. Those resource officers ran towards the gunfire as opposed to Parkland and Uvalde.
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aggiehawg said:

austinAG90 said:

aggiehawg said:

aggiebrother33 said:

A couple of the student interviews knew pretty much who it was they said, based on how he acted and said he very rarely even made class they thought if it ever happened it would be him. Sounds like there were red flags if true…
That's not good for the parents, if true.
Nor the school administrators and teachers. Back in the day when teachers cared about the kid who stayed in the corner and assisted them. Now only the trans and other "special kids" get any attention.
There is an immunity issue with the schools under many circumstances. As long as the school reported the truancy and other issues to the parents and required authorities?

They had school resource officers on site, one of which the kid surrendered to according to reports. Those resource officers ran towards the gunfire as opposed to Parkland and Uvalde.
The Uvalde officer was offsite like a moron
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Kvetch said:

Rocag said:

If you can provide any respected source that disagrees with any of the points I made in that post I will happily retract that statement. Go ahead, do your own research. You'll find that the USA imprisons more people than any other nation in the world, I'm confident on that.

But I will give you one I did just catch. The rate was highest among developed countries, with four or five small countries having higher rates. So we're still about in the top five in pure rate comparisons.


Now do the crime stats on the cities where the police have been defunded (of those that actually report their stats correctly) and cashless bail has been implemented. We don't have an "over incarceration" problem. We have a crime problem.

Blaming the prisons for the criminals is about as backwards as it gets. True Democrat logic.


He didn't blame anybody. He stated known facts. Try to take a step back and read clearly now. You went to A&M.
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austinAG90 said:

aggiehawg said:

aggiebrother33 said:

A couple of the student interviews knew pretty much who it was they said, based on how he acted and said he very rarely even made class they thought if it ever happened it would be him. Sounds like there were red flags if true…
That's not good for the parents, if true.
Nor the school administrators and teachers. Back in the day when teachers cared about the kid who stayed in the corner and assisted them. Now only the trans and other "special kids" get any attention.


Where did you read that nonsense? The epoch times? That's a bunch of BS

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Rocag said:

C@LAg said:

Rocag said:

Logos Stick said:

There is a way, its just not the ******ed way you want to go about it. HTH
Let me guess, we just need more guns?
absolutely without question.

but we also need to be able to get back to punishing people.

punishing students who act up and disturb schools.
punishing criminals and making them actually serve time

let us know when your side is ready to hold people accountable for their action.

That's a BS answer. Incarceration rates in this country are higher now than they were in the 1990's in the pre-Columbine era. There was a steady rise from the 1970's to a peak in about 2010 where it's leveled off. The United States incarcerates a higher percentage of its population than any other country in the entire world. The United States has more people in its prisons than China does, despite the fact that China has over a billion people living there. As of 2020, it's estimated that 1 in every 5 people currently in prison was in prison in the USA.

We punish people plenty in this country and it clearly isn't making a difference here. So try again.
I didn't spend a lot of time here, but what I'm seeing is rates of incarceration rising and violent crime falling

which falls in line with this truly baffling headline from the New York Times Punitive Damages; Crime Keeps On Falling, but Prisons Keep On Filling, albeit 1997 (paywalled).
joelshaw85
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Everyone had their shotguns and rifles on their gunracks at school back in the late 70s early 80s. Potheads hanging around. No problems
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Rocag said:

If you can provide any respected source that disagrees with any of the points I made in that post I will happily retract that statement. Go ahead, do your own research. You'll find that the USA imprisons more people than any other nation in the world, I'm confident on that.

But I will give you one I did just catch. The rate was highest among developed countries, with four or five small countries having higher rates. So we're still about in the top five in pure rate comparisons.

Wait…you want him to cite sources to refute your claims that you provided *checks notes* without sources?

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MarkTwain said:

Another school shooting in Georgia! How many kids have to be shot before we realize that we need armed guards on campus? An alcoholic will get his booze, a drug addict will get drugs, and a violent lunatic will get his gun. The only thing that possibly stops this is an armed guard. Actually, more than one depending on the size of the school. What stopped the school bully? A beating. and it still does. Certain commonsense things in life do not change. If the lunatic realizes that he won't get 10 feet before he is shot, Just maybe it will give him pause and he may not do this. Doing nothing certainly won't help. Outlawing guns won't prevent this. Predators prey on the weak or soft targets. A show of force gives them pause.


So the gunman was stopped by an armed resource officer. The gunman knew there was officers. He still went ahead with the shooting . So for this particular incident your solution doesn't seem true. Most gunmen are killed or commit suicide so not really a deterent if someone just set on doing it. It's just life now. Some parents will be mourning their kids that are alive right now due to a school shooting. No one will do anything about it and the public will just accept it.
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joelshaw85 said:

Everyone had their shotguns and rifles on their gunracks at school back in the late 70s early 80s. Potheads hanging around. No problems
I wrote the following in a post on F16 titled Active shooter at UNLV December of last year and thought I would repost part of it here:


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Guns have been in American households since colonial times when nearly everyone owned a firearm for self-defense or hunting food. In the early 19th century the President of Yale, Timothy Dwight, wrote "To trust arms in the hands of the people at large has, in Europe, been believed . . . to be an experiment fraught only with danger. Here by a long trial it has been proved to be perfectly harmless . . . If the government be equitable; if it be reasonable in its exactions; if proper attention be paid to education of children in knowledge, and religion, few men will be disposed to use arms, unless for their amusement, and for the defense of themselves and their country."

In the early 20th century when there was massive immigration, rampant racism and bigotry, over half of Americans lived in poverty, only 9 out of 100 teenagers graduated from high school, working conditions were deplorable, there were few government welfare programs, and firearms were easily accessible, gun violence was one-sixth of what it is today (based on homicide rate).

In his book Economic Facts and Fallacies, noted economist Thomas Sowell quoted Senator Edward Brooke, "who grew up in Washington's black community in the 1920s and 1930s." Senator Brooke said, "For young people growing up in America today, stories of my youth will seem almost incomprehensible. It will require the suspension of their sense of reality to picture a time when large areas of Washington D.C., were truly safe, when families stayed together, neighbors helped one another, students were encouraged to study, and there were no drugs or drive-by shootings".

Of course it begs the question - What changed?
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It's not BS.
Rocag
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It's a pretty well known fact that the US has one of the world's highest incarceration rates, but if you really need some sources from which to educate yourself I can help.

Prison Policy Initiative (Mainly US)
Wikipedia: US Incarceration Rate
Statista
World Prison Brief
World Prison Brief: Prison Population Tool
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austinAG90 said:

It's not BS.


Bullahit. You know how I know you haven't stwpped foot in a classroom lately.

If you believe that nonsense you need to get off the internet or at least find someone else to read. I hope for your own good you don't spew that crap in real life.

There are WAY too many great people doing great things in schools for that stuff to be tolerated. It is not in any way shape or form based on facts or any kind of reality. All you are doing is making conservatives look like idiots.
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Rocag said:

C@LAg said:

Rocag said:

Logos Stick said:

There is a way, its just not the ******ed way you want to go about it. HTH
Let me guess, we just need more guns?
absolutely without question.

but we also need to be able to get back to punishing people.

punishing students who act up and disturb schools.
punishing criminals and making them actually serve time

let us know when your side is ready to hold people accountable for their action.

That's a BS answer. Incarceration rates in this country are higher now than they were in the 1990's in the pre-Columbine era. There was a steady rise from the 1970's to a peak in about 2010 where it's leveled off. The United States incarcerates a higher percentage of its population than any other country in the entire world. The United States has more people in its prisons than China does, despite the fact that China has over a billion people living there. As of 2020, it's estimated that 1 in every 5 people currently in prison was in prison in the USA.

We punish people plenty in this country and it clearly isn't making a difference here. So try again.

Isn't making a difference? Seriously? You're looking at the score of ONE TEAM of a game and trying to determine whether they won or lost the game based on their score without knowing (or caring) about the other team's score.

IN FACT, violent and property crime has PLUNGED since the '90s. See the chart on the link below.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/

IN FACT, incarceration rates have FALLEN in the last 5 years. (See BJS stats). The '90s have little to nothing to do with today's discussion on crime. Not only have numerous laws changed, so has the culture. A good number of criminals and those incarcerated either weren't born or were elementary school aged or younger.
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But who raised these children that are turning out to be monsters?
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GigEmForever said:

But who raised these children that are turning out to be monsters?


Yep. Therein lies the biggest problem.
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Jackson County is right next to the county where the shooting took place.

If the person being investigated in 2023 wasn't this Colt Gray, very strange for them to tweet this out.
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I hope the parents are held culpable like the recent similar case. Pending the investigation.
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SydB92 said:



So the kid was already on the grid?

Sounds like a law enforcement failure…especially if they could track the online postings to the kid (regardless of his denials)…
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Doesn't sound like "gun control" would have been as effective as "FBI and Sheriff do your ****ing jobs"…
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oneeyedag said:

Muy said:

Best way to prevent this is to open up mental asylums again and start locking up the lunatics.


What's a lunatic and who determines just who the lunatics are?

Careful especially when those doing the evaluating overwhelming hate you and any views you may have.


A lunatic is someone who thinks a man can have babies and breastfeed, or can transform into an actual woman by putting on a wig and a dress. They also believe that there are zero physical advantages that biological males possess over biological females and that anyone who disagrees with the above is an intolerant bigot.

These types also believe you can prevent criminals from committing gun violence by passing laws.
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The fbi was too busy harassing grandmas who entered the capitol on Jan 6th.
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CanyonAg77 said:

Would just like to point out that these didn't happen 50 years ago when guns were not locked up, but the crazy people were.

You could have a rifle on the rack in your pickup in the school parking lot, but bad kids were suspended, sent to juvie, sent to a children's home, sent to reform school, made to enlist in the army, or in a mental institution.

Now the only ones getting locked up are the kids who accidentally bring hunting ammo to school in their car, and the bad kids are "accepted" and "celebrated.

Add social media and 24 hour news cycle, and here we are.

Charles Whitman says hi
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CanyonAg77
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A former Marine with a brain tumor is an outlier
MaxPower
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Maybe so but the volume of guns in circulation is much higher now than it was 50 years ago and the percentage ownership of pistols vs long guns has changed dramatically. 50 years ago people owned rifles and shotguns for hunting. Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry has a pistol, which is the easiest weapon to conceal and use to perpetuate crime. It's just a numbers game that the more people who have them the more likely some of those people are idiots.
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Geminiv said:

MarkTwain said:

Another school shooting in Georgia! How many kids have to be shot before we realize that we need armed guards on campus? An alcoholic will get his booze, a drug addict will get drugs, and a violent lunatic will get his gun. The only thing that possibly stops this is an armed guard. Actually, more than one depending on the size of the school. What stopped the school bully? A beating. and it still does. Certain commonsense things in life do not change. If the lunatic realizes that he won't get 10 feet before he is shot, Just maybe it will give him pause and he may not do this. Doing nothing certainly won't help. Outlawing guns won't prevent this. Predators prey on the weak or soft targets. A show of force gives them pause.


So the gunman was stopped by an armed resource officer. The gunman knew there was officers. He still went ahead with the shooting . So for this particular incident your solution doesn't seem true. Most gunmen are killed or commit suicide so not really a deterent if someone just set on doing it. It's just life now. Some parents will be mourning their kids that are alive right now due to a school shooting. No one will do anything about it and the public will just accept it.



Reading comprehension isn't complicated. I never said that it was an absolute fix, short of turning schools into SuperMax institutions there is no absolute solution.


However consider the same scenario with no armed resource officer? You think it would have been worse? 100% probability it would have been. So I think my post was very accurate and you are free to think acceptance is okay. I just disagree
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MaxPower said:

Maybe so but the volume of guns in circulation is much higher now than it was 50 years ago and the percentage ownership of pistols vs long guns has changed dramatically. 50 years ago people owned rifles and shotguns for hunting. Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry has a pistol, which is the easiest weapon to conceal and use to perpetuate crime. It's just a numbers game that the more people who have them the more likely some of those people are idiots.
OMG. Bad take.
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MaxPower said:

Maybe so but the volume of guns in circulation is much higher now than it was 50 years ago and the percentage ownership of pistols vs long guns has changed dramatically. 50 years ago people owned rifles and shotguns for hunting. Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry has a pistol, which is the easiest weapon to conceal and use to perpetuate crime. It's just a numbers game that the more people who have them the more likely some of those people are idiots.


The percentage of US households with a gun in 1972 was 43%. In 2022, it was 42%.

The issue is we deinstitutionalzed our mental health facilities and surrendered that function to the criminal justice system which has a higher burden to incarcerate someone.
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Deinstitutionalized...? Hell the liberals started celebrating the BS.
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AGinHI said:

joelshaw85 said:

Everyone had their shotguns and rifles on their gunracks at school back in the late 70s early 80s. Potheads hanging around. No problems
I wrote the following in a post on F16 titled Active shooter at UNLV December of last year and thought I would repost part of it here:


Quote:

Guns have been in American households since colonial times when nearly everyone owned a firearm for self-defense or hunting food. In the early 19th century the President of Yale, Timothy Dwight, wrote "To trust arms in the hands of the people at large has, in Europe, been believed . . . to be an experiment fraught only with danger. Here by a long trial it has been proved to be perfectly harmless . . . If the government be equitable; if it be reasonable in its exactions; if proper attention be paid to education of children in knowledge, and religion, few men will be disposed to use arms, unless for their amusement, and for the defense of themselves and their country."

In the early 20th century when there was massive immigration, rampant racism and bigotry, over half of Americans lived in poverty, only 9 out of 100 teenagers graduated from high school, working conditions were deplorable, there were few government welfare programs, and firearms were easily accessible, gun violence was one-sixth of what it is today (based on homicide rate).

In his book Economic Facts and Fallacies, noted economist Thomas Sowell quoted Senator Edward Brooke, "who grew up in Washington's black community in the 1920s and 1930s." Senator Brooke said, "For young people growing up in America today, stories of my youth will seem almost incomprehensible. It will require the suspension of their sense of reality to picture a time when large areas of Washington D.C., were truly safe, when families stayed together, neighbors helped one another, students were encouraged to study, and there were no drugs or drive-by shootings".

Of course it begs the question - What changed?
At one time, liberals were for the working man. It was liberalism that gave us the holidays, unions, and social security. But liberals also had a sense of morality and justice.

However, liberalism changed in which they began to embrace degeneracy, immorality, disrespect for the law, morals, patriotism, and respectful Society. And then the Democrats embraced this and decided to change Society and for that to happen, they needed full control.

California was the testing ground and they found it effective.

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MaxPower said:

Maybe so but the volume of guns in circulation is much higher now than it was 50 years ago and the percentage ownership of pistols vs long guns has changed dramatically. 50 years ago people owned rifles and shotguns for hunting. Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry has a pistol, which is the easiest weapon to conceal and use to perpetuate crime. It's just a numbers game that the more people who have them the more likely some of those people are idiots.
Sorry dude, but you're wrong. Per capita gun ownership has remained constant. Now if you're saying we have more people, and if the per capita doesn't change, therfore there's more guns, OK. But that's not what you're trying to insinuate. The problem has never been the tool, is always the carpenter. Let's talk about that.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/
MaxPower
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It's not about owning a gun. It's about the type of gun owned that has changed.

https://www.thetrace.org/2023/03/guns-america-data-atf-total/
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The type of gun matters not when in the hands of mentally ill nut jobs.
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Why is it that kids who grow up with AR style weapons in the house seem to want to get their hands on them? Is there maybe a link between immature parents who like to virtue signal and bad parenting?

Makes you wonder.
 
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