goatchze said:

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But prosecutors and defense lawyers disagreed about the terms of the plea agreement, with Biden insisting any guilty plea encompass immunity from any other criminal charges.

U.S. District Judge Maryellen Noreika pressed both sides to come to an agreement and called for a 10-minute recess.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/07/26/hunter-biden-tax-charges/70455706007/

If the above is correct, he was expecting a Get Out of Jail Free card for anything and everything.

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Judge calls for a 10 min recess. That's awful short of time to discuss situation IMO but plenty of time for prosecutors to receive a phone call demanding them to give in to HB counsel.

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annie88 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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I guess the judge doesn't realize FARA violations are just a civil matter. They're only a criminal matter for Republicans that support Trump.

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LOL. Too true.

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Are these two separate matters Hawg?

Even though it may be civil only is it screwing up the plea deal for the other?

And was Hunter saying that if he pled guilty to any of those that should cover any future things he could be charged with?

I admit, I haven't been following this as closely as others.

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FARA had only been handled as an administrative manner, meaning submitting a filing and possibly a fine. Until Trump was elected that is. Then it became a weapon to charge and imprison people.

But this goes back to what I said before. If there is an ongoing investigation, a plea deal only confers complete immunity is with a cooperation agreement in tow. There is no such agreement in place.

That puts the judge in a bad spot insofar as to whether and why this is a legitimate plea deal. (Which it isn't.)

But the problem for the prosecution is if this was a plea deal that closed the investigation, then they cannot hide behind the "pending investigation" fig leaf to stonewall the Republicans in the House.

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Thanks.

I don't have very high hopes that any of this is going to be fair or just. But it is interesting.

The entire comment.

The outcome of the Biden plea hearing is a cover story.

There is NO WAY that the two sides didn't discuss before today whether this was a "Global Plea" or not.

The idea that Hunter's team only learned today that other charges are still possible is idiotic.

One of two things is true:

1) There was a "wink and nod" agreement that this would be the only charges he faced, but neither side wanted to put it in writing due to the firestorm it would cause.

2) Realizing there was no way to escape the firestorm that has come up since the plea deal surfaced, they used the "excuse" that other charges might yet be filed to step back and talk about the case further rather than go forward.

This was performance art today. They knew they couldn't go forward in the face of the IRS whistleblower testimony and all the other revelations about how Hunter and Biden family members getting millions of foreign revenue.

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There is NO WAY that the two sides didn't discuss before today whether this was a "Global Plea" or not.

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You are correct!

When is Biden going to pardon his son?

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So now Hunter pleds not guilty to the tax and gun charges. LOL.

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He was getting a sweet deal ...like some other celebs...

He will still pardon him. Poor little Hunter has admitted his deeds, been punished and deserves a pardon! /eyeroll

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US Justice System is gamed. It doesn't even attempt to appear to be "fair" or "just". Sad state of affairs meaning "Banana Republic" we are! ETA - "Real Jurist" are a thing of the past.

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Exactly how a Banana Republic would handle this.
Now roll out the media to report the state controlled narrative

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The entire comment.

The outcome of the Biden plea hearing is a cover story.

There is NO WAY that the two sides didn't discuss before today whether this was a "Global Plea" or not.

The idea that Hunter's team only learned today that other charges are still possible is idiotic.

One of two things is true:

1) There was a "wink and nod" agreement that this would be the only charges he faced, but neither side wanted to put it in writing due to the firestorm it would cause.

2) Realizing there was no way to escape the firestorm that has come up since the plea deal surfaced, they used the "excuse" that other charges might yet be filed to step back and talk about the case further rather than go forward.

This was performance art today. They knew they couldn't go forward in the face of the IRS whistleblower testimony and all the other revelations about how Hunter and Biden family members getting millions of foreign revenue.

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Correct. I actually had typed out "performance art" in the post before I tried to just keep it short.

To an extent, I am actually encouraged, as I think much of this is just to tidy up the pardon process before the big guy resigns at this point, and yet it still blew up in their faces. Xi Van Fleet has many thoughts/posts about how disposable formerly 'useful' party members are, eventually.

Make no mistake, Hunter will never go to prison for any crimes he has committed thus far in his life, and as well the POTUS office has the power to issue sweeping pardons for all federal crimes, 'they' were just hoping to avoid any overly-broad ones/multiple pardons for the sake of their 'legacy.'

Timing also becomes an issue now, as the CCP/Dems don't want a protracted fight or to deal with Veepthroat more than they absolutely have to.

ABC NEWS SPECIAL REPORT: No plea deal amid judge's concerns, Hunter Biden pleads not guilty to tax-related misdemeanors. https://t.co/GvATp0xBua https://t.co/BKDcC4jDi8

— ABC News (@ABC) July 26, 2023

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He will still pardon him. Poor little Hunter has admitted his deeds, been punished and deserves a pardon! /eyeroll

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And that is what doesn't really make sense, if Biden was not going to run again. Hunter signs a cooperation agreement with a wink, wink, nod, nod agreement he wll not be asked any questions and then Biden pardons him near the end of his term and the whole thing would go away.

In the meantime, an investigation is still technically open and Congress can be stonewalled.

Is the judge's life at risk now?

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So he pled not guilty to the tax charges? If we had a legitimate justice system and if this was a legitimate country wouldn't this be an easy conviction?

Did you pay your taxes? No. Ok you're guilty.

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Wesley Snipes is pissed.

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He will still pardon him. Poor little Hunter has admitted his deeds, been punished and deserves a pardon! /eyeroll

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Yes but it's good to know if this was one of the Trump kids they'd be treated just as well. And the media would be eager to put it past them.

Certainly was not a business-as-usual type of plea deal. Judge could not just rubberstamp it because it was so unusual.

So a bit confused. Is the plea deal still active/on the table but limited in scope to taxes/gun charge or did it go away and Hunter plead not guilty to the tax charges meaning there presumably will be a trial?

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So a bit confused. Is the plea deal still active/on the table but limited in scope to taxes/gun charge or did it go away and Hunter plead not guilty to the tax charges meaning there presumably will be a trial?

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It is dead for now.

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4stringAg said:

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So a bit confused. Is the plea deal still active/on the table but limited in scope to taxes/gun charge or did it go away and Hunter plead not guilty to the tax charges meaning there presumably will be a trial?

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It is dead for now.

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If only you were referring to the accused.

Just joking...


sorta.

Owlagdad said:

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New spin on Fox is that lawyer asked for somethings not to go public and clerk misinterpreted.
LOL, habitual liars can come up with an excuse in nothing flat.

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Correct when discussing in terms of quantity. Quality? Not so much...

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Could well be an idiot clerk in the judge's office who now won't back down.

A big-time law firm is highly unlikely to endorse dirty tricks like this.

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I think you'd be very surprised at what "big time law firms" will do in terms of dirty tricks.

but here, as others have said, it doesn't make any sense to give your real name if you are trying to fool the court.

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This is easy to explain IMO. If you give them a false name then it is unequivocally fraud, no way around it. As it is, they hope they gave themselves enough wiggle room to drop a "miscommunication" excuse and have the media lackeys run with it.

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Limburger Cheese smells better than this BS.

🚨 BREAKING UPDATE: Before Hunter Biden's plea deal collapsed, Federal Judge Maryellen Noreika asked the case's top prosecutor if the deal meant Hunter would be IMMUNE from prosecution for other possible crimes—including those related to representing foreign governments.

The… pic.twitter.com/tNAzdGRW0s

— Nick Sortor (@nicksortor) July 26, 2023

BREAKING UPDATE: Before Hunter Biden's plea deal collapsed, Federal Judge Maryellen Noreika asked the case's top prosecutor if the deal meant Hunter would be IMMUNE from prosecution for other possible crimesincluding those related to representing foreign governments.

The prosecutor said NO, then one of Hunter's attorneys jumped up and said "then there's no deal!"

Reporters present in the courtroom have said the judge seemed highly skeptical of the "unusual deal" from the get-go, as it offered Hunter Biden BROAD immunity from prosecution in perpetuity.

The judge questioned why it was filed under a provision that gave her no legal authority to reject it. She then asked Leo Wise, the top prosecutor, if there was any precedent for that kind of deal being proposed.

He replied, "No, your honor."

WAS THE BIDEN DOJ TRYING TO PUSH AN "UNDER THE TABLE" DEAL?

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So by definition is was an unprecedented, sweetheart deal. How could they argue it wasn't given these facts?

aggiehawg said:

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My gut tells me, Garland now appoints a specil counsel and everything gets swept under the rug for a few years, Congress is stonewalled, Statutes of limitations run and both Joe and Hunter walk.

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How was the SOL extended to get Manafort?

Is it our turn to use this?