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So Joe was bootlegging as a meteorologist. Explains why he coming to Arizona next week to tell us it's hot.

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Add it to the list:

Truck Driver
Life Guard
University Professor
Train Engineer

ETA: alleged Paramour

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You left out civil rights marcher, mentor to Rosa Parks, responsible for integrating pools and movie theaters in Scranton, star quarterback for U of Delaware and valedictorian at Syracuse law.

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jja79 said:

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So Joe was bootlegging as a meteorologist. Explains why he coming to Arizona next week to tell us it's hot.

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Add it to the list:

Truck Driver
Life Guard
University Professor
Train Engineer

ETA: alleged Paramour

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Cancer cure-er as well

will25u said:

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The democrats are correct:
Outside of the bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter’s business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two…

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 31, 2023

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This would have been more persuasive if Bongino left out the part about President Biden bragging about having the prosecutor fired.

It's been shown over and over again that the prosecutor was fired because he WAS NOT investigating corruption.

will25u said:

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The democrats are correct:
Outside of the bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter’s business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two…

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 31, 2023

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"Not even a smidgen of corruption."

Joe is about nothing but restoring decency, statesmanship and good parenting. s/every democrat everywhere

[Stick to discussing the topic and making your argument, not insults. - Staff]

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Friendly reminder that Trump was impeached for asking about all of this. We were told it wasn't important and he can't do that because "you cannot go after a political opponent".

He has now been indicted how many times?

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And the FBI knew about the bribes by Zlochevsky from the reports from the CHS going back to 2016, 2017 at the latest. State Department knew about it too. Pyatt and Nuland discussed it. Pyatt even praised Shokin months before he was fired precisely because he was actively going after corrupt oligarchs in Ukraine.

This has been known for a few years but the MSM refused to cover it.

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What they fail to mention, however, is that the prosecutor WAS investigating Burmisma. What the prosecutor was NOT doing was investigating other fraudulent entities in Ukraine. And there can be NO mistake that Biden held up $1 billion of MY taxpayer money until the prosecutor was fired.

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Although I have not seen it reported but there is also a possibility that Shokin was investigating John Hynansky, luxury car dealerships in Ukraine. Hynansky is a longtime donor and friend to Joe. Joe even arranged a 20 million dollar federal loan to help Hynansku build his dealerships.

Now the subject of Hynansky's operation in Ukraine came up again at the outset of the war.

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky isn't the only one demanding more military assistance from President Biden to protect Kiev from Russian forces. So too is a close Delaware friend and financial backer of Biden, who owns several luxury car dealerships around the Ukrainian capital.

By sending billions of dollars in weapons and other military aid to help defend Ukraine, Biden also is securing the investments of millionaire car magnate John Hynansky, a Ukrainian American and longtime supporter of the president.

Over the course of Biden's political career, Hynansky and his family have contributed more than $100,000 to his campaigns, including $8,000 in 2020, Federal Election Commission records show. Hynansky family members have been guests at the White House, and Hynansky has floated hundreds of thousands of dollars in loans to Biden family members, property records show. Hynansky's son, Michael, who helps run his car empire, lent the use of his Lear jet to Biden when he was a senator.

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The Biden administration helped Hynansky's team in Ukraine prepare for the invasion, including placing calls to his top executive in Kiev 13 days in advance of Russian tanks crossing the border. It has sent billions of dollars to help rebuild war-torn cities where Hynansky operates the largest share of the country's car showrooms and service centers specializing in Porsches, Jaguars, Land Rovers, and Bentleys, among other non-American brands he imports.

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At a time Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas's relationship with a generous billionaire is fueling complaints among Democrats about money and politics, Biden's friendship with Hynansky also raises red flags.

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Archer, a former business partner at the Rosemont Seneca firm who was convicted in 2018 in a tribal bond fraud scheme, also told lawmakers that Hunter Biden was pressured in late 2015 to help deal with Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin's corruption investigation as Joe Biden was preparing to travel to Ukraine.

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"In December 2015, Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma, and Vadym Pozharski, an executive of Burisma, placed constant pressure on Hunter Biden to get help from D.C. regarding the Ukrainian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin," the committee explained, recounting Archer's testimony. "Shokin was investigating Burisma for corruption. Hunter Biden, along with Zlochevsky and Pozharski, 'called D.C.' to discuss the matter. Biden, Zlochevsky, and Pozharski stepped away to take make the call."

A few days after that meeting, Joe Biden visited Ukraine as vice president and began an effort to force Ukraine's president to fire Shokin, eventually threatening to withhold $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees if the termination did not happen. Biden's defenders have long maintained the firing was not related to Burisma and was a result of U.S. policy because the Obama administration felt Shokin was corrupt.

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will25u said:

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The democrats are correct:
Outside of the bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter’s business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two…

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 31, 2023

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This would have been more persuasive if Bongino left out the part about President Biden bragging about having the prosecutor fired.

It's been shown over and over again that the prosecutor was fired because he WAS NOT investigating corruption.

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So what about these statements?

The bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter's business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two business partners saying Joe is the "brand," the "big guy," and "the chairman," the two whistleblowers testimony, the recorded phone calls between Biden and Poroshenko.

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It's been shown over and over again that the prosecutor was fired because he WAS NOT investigating corruption.

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That is incorrect. The contents of the FD-1023 and contents of Hunter's laptop show that Shokin was a thorn in Zlochevsky's side. Why he bribed Hunter and Joe 5 million a piece to get rid of Shokin. Which he did and then bragged about it on camera.

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Didn't Attorney General Barr determine that the allegations in the FD-1023 could not be verified and they closed the assessment in August 2020?

There are an overwhelming number of news articles available in the public domain that were published when the firing happened that backs up the narrative that Shokin was fired for NOT investigating corruption. Can you find any articles published between 2015 to 2017 that provides evidence that Shokin was fired for going after Burisma?

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will25u said:

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The democrats are correct:
Outside of the bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter’s business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two…

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 31, 2023

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This would have been more persuasive if Bongino left out the part about President Biden bragging about having the prosecutor fired.

It's been shown over and over again that the prosecutor was fired because he WAS NOT investigating corruption.

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So what about these statements?

The bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter's business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two business partners saying Joe is the "brand," the "big guy," and "the chairman," the two whistleblowers testimony, the recorded phone calls between Biden and Poroshenko.

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I think it's all a bunch of evidence that Hunter Biden traded on his last name.

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will25u said:

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The democrats are correct:
Outside of the bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter’s business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two…

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 31, 2023

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This would have been more persuasive if Bongino left out the part about President Biden bragging about having the prosecutor fired.

It's been shown over and over again that the prosecutor was fired because he WAS NOT investigating corruption.

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So what about these statements?

The bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter's business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two business partners saying Joe is the "brand," the "big guy," and "the chairman," the two whistleblowers testimony, the recorded phone calls between Biden and Poroshenko.

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I think it's all a bunch of evidence that Hunter Biden traded on his last name.

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And nothing else?

What was your username before last week?

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It's been shown over and over again that the prosecutor was fired because he WAS NOT investigating corruption.

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That is incorrect. The contents of the FD-1023 and contents of Hunter's laptop show that Shokin was a thorn in Zlochevsky's side. Why he bribed Hunter and Joe 5 million a piece to get rid of Shokin. Which he did and then bragged about it on camera.

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Didn't Attorney General Barr determine that the allegations in the FD-1023 could not be verified and they closed the assessment in August 2020?

There are an overwhelming number of news articles available in the public domain that were published when the firing happened that backs up the narrative that Shokin was fired for NOT investigating corruption. Can you find any articles published between 2015 to 2017 that provides evidence that Shokin was fired for going after Burisma?

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In Shokin's own words in an audio interview stated he was warned to stop by Ambassador Geoffrey R. Pyatt." Also he stated that "President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko told Mr. Shokin not to investigate Burisma as it was not in the interest of Joe and/or Hunter Biden. Mr. Shokin was called into Mr. Poroshenko's office and told that the investigation into Burisma and the Managing Director where Hunter Biden is on the board, has caused Joe Biden to hold up one billion dollars in U.S. aid to Ukraine. He said it was around April of 2016" and Poroshenko "told him he had to be fired as the aid to the Ukraine was being withheld by Joe Biden."

FNC ran a huge article on it.

Biden said on camera himself bragged about the withholding of US funds from Ukraine if they didn't fire Shokin. Guess it's all a coincidence

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will25u said:

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The democrats are correct:
Outside of the bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter’s business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two…

— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) July 31, 2023

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This would have been more persuasive if Bongino left out the part about President Biden bragging about having the prosecutor fired.

It's been shown over and over again that the prosecutor was fired because he WAS NOT investigating corruption.

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So what about these statements?

The bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter's business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two business partners saying Joe is the "brand," the "big guy," and "the chairman," the two whistleblowers testimony, the recorded phone calls between Biden and Poroshenko.

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I think it's all a bunch of evidence that Hunter Biden traded on his last name.

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You're getting so close. Now just apply a bit more critical thinking and realize….
Hunter Biden traded on his family name, by having his dad make policy decisions that benefited Hunter's financial interests. Hunter then either "held 10% for "The Big Guy"", or he just straight paid Joe's bills "at least I won't make you pay Dad 50% of everything you make for 30 years"….. Joe Biden was the product Hunter was selling, and Joe made business very very good for Hunter…. In return, Hunter has given Joe a lot of assets that Joe Biden's income could never afford.

Hunter was Joe's bagman. Joe Biden is a traitor.

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That would be very bad for Joe Biden if it could be proven. I'll help make sure he's impeached if the evidence linking Joe Biden to the cash is uncovered.

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That would be very bad for Joe Biden if it could be proven. I'll help make sure he's impeached if the evidence linking Joe Biden to the cash is uncovered.

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That's where the impeachment inquiry comes into play. Congressional subpoena for Joe and Jill's financial records. Biden cannot claim Executive Privilege as to those records and a court would give deference to that subpoena under an impeachment inquiry.

How the IRS catches people is wen they are livng well above the means that they report on their income taxes. Where did Joe get that money?

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will25u said:

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It's been shown over and over again that the prosecutor was fired because he WAS NOT investigating corruption.

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This is 100% false.

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It's been shown over and over again that the prosecutor was fired because he WAS NOT investigating corruption.

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That is incorrect. The contents of the FD-1023 and contents of Hunter's laptop show that Shokin was a thorn in Zlochevsky's side. Why he bribed Hunter and Joe 5 million a piece to get rid of Shokin. Which he did and then bragged about it on camera.

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Didn't Attorney General Barr determine that the allegations in the FD-1023 could not be verified and they closed the assessment in August 2020?

There are an overwhelming number of news articles available in the public domain that were published when the firing happened that backs up the narrative that Shokin was fired for NOT investigating corruption. Can you find any articles published between 2015 to 2017 that provides evidence that Shokin was fired for going after Burisma?

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Not sure why this propaganda is allowed to continue.

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It's been shown over and over again that the prosecutor was fired because he WAS NOT investigating corruption.

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That is incorrect. The contents of the FD-1023 and contents of Hunter's laptop show that Shokin was a thorn in Zlochevsky's side. Why he bribed Hunter and Joe 5 million a piece to get rid of Shokin. Which he did and then bragged about it on camera.

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Didn't Attorney General Barr determine that the allegations in the FD-1023 could not be verified and they closed the assessment in August 2020?

There are an overwhelming number of news articles available in the public domain that were published when the firing happened that backs up the narrative that Shokin was fired for NOT investigating corruption. Can you find any articles published between 2015 to 2017 that provides evidence that Shokin was fired for going after Burisma?

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Not sure why this propaganda is allowed to continue.

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"In December 2015, Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma, and Vadym Pozharski, an executive of Burisma, placed constant pressure on Hunter Biden to get help from D.C. regarding the Ukrainian prosecutor, Viktor Shokin," the committee explained, recounting Archer's testimony. "Shokin was investigating Burisma for corruption. Hunter Biden, along with Zlochevsky and Pozharski, 'called D.C.' to discuss the matter. Biden, Zlochevsky, and Pozharski stepped away to take make the call."

A few days after that meeting, Joe Biden visited Ukraine as vice president and began an effort to force Ukraine's president to fire Shokin, eventually threatening to withhold $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees if the termination did not happen. Biden's defenders have long maintained the firing was not related to Burisma and was a result of U.S. policy because the Obama administration felt Shokin was corrupt.

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Kyiv Post - May 2016

https://archive.kyivpost.com/article/content/business/british-ambassador-says-uk-will-help-ukraine-combat-corruption-414752.html

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A classic illustration of global asset recovery working poorly involves ex-Ukraine Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, owner of Burisma Holdings energy company.

At Ukraine's request, the U.K. froze $23 million that Zlochevsky had in U.K. bank accounts and other assets. But a U.K. court released its hold last year after ex-Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin said he had no evidence of financial fraud in a case started by his predecessor, Vitaly Yarema. Shokin and Yarema were both fired. Zlochevsky has denied any wrongdoing.

But the case led to a blistering attack on corruption in the General Prosecutor's Office by U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey R. Pyatt, who said on Sept. 24 in Odesa that prosecutors who informed the U.K. court that there was no criminal case against Zlochevsky "should be investigated, and those responsible for subverting the case by authorizing those letters should at a minimum be summarily terminated."

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Kyiv Post - October 2015

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Protesters drive to Poroshenko's mansion to demand dismissal of Shokin

AutoMaidan activists accuse Shokin of sabotaging all high-profile investigations, including corruption cases against incumbent and former top officials and the investigation into the murder of over 100 protesters during the EuroMaidan Revolution.

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Geoffrey Pyatt, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, and Jan Tombinski, the European Union's ambassador, have publicly criticized the performance of the Prosecutor General's Office. Shokin has clashed with the EU and Ukraine's Foreign Ministry over his stance on the appointment of the chief anti-corruption prosecutor, jeopardizing a visa-free regime with the EU.

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Aljazeera - December 2015

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/features/2015/12/9/ukraine-new-government-same-corruption

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The prosecutor general himself, Viktor Shokin who was recently targeted in an assassination attempt serves at the behest of President Petro Poroshenko. Shokin and the prosecutor general's office "give a legal facade to the corruption schemes", Bowser claimed.

Since he was appointed as prosecutor general by Poroshenko in February, Shokin has not brought any cases of corruption to court involving Yanukovich or his partners. Nor has he prosecuted the hundreds of high-level corruption cases that have been brought to his office by Ukraine's parliamentary committee on preventing and combating corruption.

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Ukraine Weekly - April 2016

http://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/shokin-dismissed-as-procurator-general/

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KYIV The Verkhovna Rada voted on March 29 to dismiss the highly unpopular Procurator General Viktor Shokin after months of pressure from reformers and American diplomats, who were disappointed with his resistance to and alleged sabotage of anti-corruption efforts.

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European Union Ambassador to Ukraine Jan Tombinski, who was allegedly misrepresented by Mr. Shokin in a September incident, said the dismissal creates the opportunity for a new start. His sentiments were echoed by U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt.

"It doesn't matter how much help the international community provides to Ukraine, how much funds and technical support Ukraine receives. Ukraine stands before the challenge of overcoming corruption," Mr. Pyatt told a Kyiv conference on March 29, as reported by the Interfax-Ukraine news agency. "That's why today's events in the Rada, which we highly approve of, to dismiss the discredited prosecutor general are so important."

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