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https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/wall-moms-portland-protests-getting-173742870.html

Sorry, but I just had to post this. The article is bs but the reactions are great. I haven't found a single response yet that buys into the article's bs. It's encouraging to me that there are still plenty of people out there that haven't completely lost their minds yet.

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Wow , and this is on yahoo too
Maybe all hope isn't lost, maybe not everyone is insane as the leftists.

Tanya 93 said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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I don't think they will be as large scale, but they could continue because many of these people loathe Biden almost as much because people like him and Pelosi and Schumer are corporate Democrats just concerned about fundraising and their power and not the people

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Except the Libs in charge will no longer tolerate it in the name of #Resist like they did before

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They may not like it, but they damn sure won't be able to stop it

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This.
I've grown up in a 3rd world country and seen this over and over. Politicians incite riots for political reasons, and they get out of control.
Every.Single.Time.
It's what happened to the Floyd protests. It's what will happen in Portland and other cities, especially if the leftists #DefundThePolice

GMaster0 said:

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The end result of what the federal government is trying to accomplish does not justify the means of their actions.

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If these people were peaceful, I'd be somewhat inclined to agree, with the caveat threat peaceful action would urgently office destruction of federal property. However, they are demonstrably hostile and violent. This is not a small group trying to blend into a larger, mostly peaceful and legal protest.

What else should they be doing?

News Reports saying three of the Federal Officers have permanent eye damage caused by peaceful protestors shining lasers in their eyes. Give me Navy boys injuries over that.

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News Reports saying three of the Federal Officers have permanent eye damage caused by peaceful protestors shining lasers in their eyes. Give me Navy boys injuries over that.

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Past time for live ammunition.

Vader Was Framed said:

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You seriously think the Astro turf riots wouldnt turn off the minute the election is called for Biden if that were to happen?

The riots would stop, COVID would be declared NBD, and the media would declare peace and prosperity returned to America so no more need for constant negativity

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That's kind of my point. Yes I think they would stop. Edit: I was being sarcastic above.

The riots are happening under Trump. Yet he is trying to frame the riots as the future of democratic rule and "preview" of more to come as the poster I was replying to stated.

It's perplexing that part of Trump's campaign strategy is pointing to chaotic events and saying "this is what will happen if Biden is elected" when it's what is happening right now while he's president. He is using Portland as an experiment to look tough.

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The rioters are 100% democrats. The leadership of the rioting cities is 100% democrat. You can slice it however you like, but this is what you democrats bring to the table.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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GMaster0 said:

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The end result of what the federal government is trying to accomplish does not justify the means of their actions.

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If these people were peaceful, I'd be somewhat inclined to agree, with the caveat threat peaceful action would urgently office destruction of federal property. However, they are demonstrably hostile and violent. This is not a small group trying to blend into a larger, mostly peaceful and legal protest.

What else should they be doing?

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But what are these paramilitary forces there to do? They weren't requested by the locals, they have gone way beyond security for a courthouse, they aren't working with local police and have been asked to leave by local+ state leaders. Now they are the target of ire for thousands of protestors.

You can't ask for a worse PR campaign to say you are helping the people of Portland. How is this helping? Leave and draw down their presence before more people get hurt, work with the local police to provide reasonable protection to federal personnel and buildings.

It is reasonable to question whether these people's right are being violated and whether arrest authorities are being exceed. Why would it ever be ok to violate these rights?

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work with the local police to provide reasonable protection to federal personnel and buildings.

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Local police are MIA. Providing ZERO protection.

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Now they are the target of ire for thousands of protestors.

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So, the right pigs are squealing?

Will someone please take the time to get their crayons out and draw this child pictures so it will understand why federal employees have to be there to protect buildings the tax paying people of the nation paid for.

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Vader Was Framed said:

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Ah yes. American cities will burn to the ground. Criminals will be flowing out into the streets from prisons. Weapons getting handed out to liberals that were taken away from rural right-wingers. Alex Jones will eat your children. Etc etc etc. Gotham is falling we need Batman.

Fear Porn.

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American Cities will burn to the ground - Yes, see Minneapolis
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/03/us/minneapolis-government-george-floyd.html

Criminals will be flowing into the streets from prisons - Was it warm underneath that rock you were sleeping under?
https://nypost.com/2020/04/10/more-than-1500-nyc-inmates-have-been-released-amid-coronavirus-crisis/

Weapons handed out to liberals - Yep
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/update-photos-confirm-chaz-warlord-raz-simone-running-guns-trunk-tesla/

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Thank you for posting, the leftist progressives either have short memories or know the truth and are liars.

WoopItGigEmStyle- Just come out and say that you support anarchy or you are one.

Either way local or feds really seem uninterested in cracking down on all this crap beyond what they can claim on Twitter.

Not sure where all this leads.

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Riots, destruction of property, screaming in the face of law enforcement are all wrong. It is time to respond. If you dont want to be caught in the cross fire, then dont be near the crime. Riots and COVID are worse in dem states. Wonder why that is.

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Don't know how it would come about, but the only way the rising professionally-abetted "civil disobedience" is going to be successfully quelled is if the citizenry rise against it -- determinedly and in kind.

To find success, the forces now under Leftest attack are going to have to move, and move decisively, not under the auspices of "the Government" but under the auspices of "the People". "The Government" has throughout time presented a ready and immovable target for self-described "revolutionaries"; a false facade of evil the genuinely evil utilize to rally and direct their soft-brained, hard-muscled minions.

In other words, if the Republic is to be saved it is the people in their individual persons who must do it. "The Government" has become the target (as is historically the case) for the foolish to assault with their spears, chains and torches.

GMaster0 said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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GMaster0 said:

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The end result of what the federal government is trying to accomplish does not justify the means of their actions.

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If these people were peaceful, I'd be somewhat inclined to agree, with the caveat threat peaceful action would urgently office destruction of federal property. However, they are demonstrably hostile and violent. This is not a small group trying to blend into a larger, mostly peaceful and legal protest.

What else should they be doing?

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But what are these paramilitary forces there to do? They weren't requested by the locals, they have gone way beyond security for a courthouse, they aren't working with local police and have been asked to leave by local+ state leaders. Now they are the target of ire for thousands of protestors.

You can't ask for a worse PR campaign to say you are helping the people of Portland. How is this helping? Leave and draw down their presence before more people get hurt, work with the local police to provide reasonable protection to federal personnel and buildings.

It is reasonable to question whether these people's right are being violated and whether arrest authorities are being exceed. Why would it ever be ok to violate these rights?

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What are the forces there to do? They are there to protect federal property. It's really very simple.

On the 'PR' front it is the rioters that are looking bad and turning the country against them. But please keep that to yourself. I'd hate for that to change and Dems to have a shot.

As far as "How is this helping?" is concerned it is doing two things in my mind. As I said above it is protecting federal property and on the unintended consequences side of things it is focusing the attention of these idiot rioters on the federal courthouse instead of the other properties in the city. If I owned a business there I'd be thankful for that. I'd also be looking to move my business to a better city.

Its worth noting that once before Mt. Hood and Mt.Rainier were in simultaneous eruption. Worthy image.

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I found Navy-guy fascinating

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I saw an interview of him after the fact.

I found him looney.

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I also sense a set-up since the person filming from behind was in a perfect position to catch it. Reminds me of the Buffalo incident.

FTR: When being legally instructed to vacate the area, you don't get to walk up to LEOs to "ask a question." By definition, that action is in defiance of their lawful order.

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The fact that someone was in the perfect angle to catch it isn't too surprising. My former office is within spitting distance of the federal courthouse and my former colleagues have said that there are people out there in that spot filming all the time right now.

mjschiller said:

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WoopItGigEmStyle- Just come out and say that you support anarchy or you are one.

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What are you talking about? I just logged back in here and caught up on this thread after a few days.

I don't support anarchy at all. Where in my posts do you get that?

I support the law equally applied. I support the constitution and the bill of rights for all American citizens.

This guy seems like he's fairly "pro-protest", but he's got tons of video on his Twitter for anyone who's into riot pron.

GMaster0 said:

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To say that all protestors in Portland are violent and should be denied their civil rights to assemble is not a fair assessment. You may not agree with their reasons to protest, but it is their right to assemble and ask for redress. This reeks of the same hypocrisy from Lafayette Square.

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What hypocrisy from Lafayette Square are you speaking of? Because whatever you think or read happened, isn't what happened.

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This guy seems like he's fairly "pro-protest", but he's got tons of video on his Twitter for anyone who's into riot pron.

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Are they just very very dumb and think the protestors won't burn down the city? Or are they diabolical in their feigned ignorance malice?

They are protecting the federal courthouse.

tsuag10 said:

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This guy seems like he's fairly "pro-protest", but he's got tons of video on his Twitter for anyone who's into riot pron.

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"moms"

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Vader Was Framed said:

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You seriously think the Astro turf riots wouldnt turn off the minute the election is called for Biden if that were to happen?

The riots would stop, COVID would be declared NBD, and the media would declare peace and prosperity returned to America so no more need for constant negativity

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That's kind of my point. Yes I think they would stop. Edit: I was being sarcastic above.

The riots are happening under Trump. Yet he is trying to frame the riots as the future of democratic rule and "preview" of more to come as the poster I was replying to stated.

It's perplexing that part of Trump's campaign strategy is pointing to chaotic events and saying "this is what will happen if Biden is elected" when it's what is happening right now while he's president. He is using Portland as an experiment to look tough.

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The rioters are 100% democrats. The leadership of the rioting cities is 100% democrat. You can slice it however you like, but this is what you democrats bring to the table.

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Exactly.

And their side would be the first to complain, and in fact, ARE doing so, if President Trump was to crackdown on it even harder the way it warrants and deserves.

This is all the Democratic Party and their press's fault. Not Trump's.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Vader Was Framed said:

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You seriously think the Astro turf riots wouldnt turn off the minute the election is called for Biden if that were to happen?

The riots would stop, COVID would be declared NBD, and the media would declare peace and prosperity returned to America so no more need for constant negativity

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That's kind of my point. Yes I think they would stop. Edit: I was being sarcastic above.

The riots are happening under Trump. Yet he is trying to frame the riots as the future of democratic rule and "preview" of more to come as the poster I was replying to stated.

It's perplexing that part of Trump's campaign strategy is pointing to chaotic events and saying "this is what will happen if Biden is elected" when it's what is happening right now while he's president. He is using Portland as an experiment to look tough.

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The rioters are 100% democrats. The leadership of the rioting cities is 100% democrat. You can slice it however you like, but this is what you democrats bring to the table.

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Exactly.

And their side would be the first to complain, and in fact, ARE doing so, if President Trump was to crackdown on it even harder the way it warrants and deserves.

This is all the Democratic Party and their press's fault. Not Trump's.

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A huge chunk of these protesters go way beyond being Democrats.

I sometimes call for the WWF or Heifer International and so many of them have left the corporate Democratic party for Greens, Socialists, and Anarchist

Tanya 93 said:

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titan said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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Vader Was Framed said:

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You seriously think the Astro turf riots wouldnt turn off the minute the election is called for Biden if that were to happen?

The riots would stop, COVID would be declared NBD, and the media would declare peace and prosperity returned to America so no more need for constant negativity

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That's kind of my point. Yes I think they would stop. Edit: I was being sarcastic above.

The riots are happening under Trump. Yet he is trying to frame the riots as the future of democratic rule and "preview" of more to come as the poster I was replying to stated.

It's perplexing that part of Trump's campaign strategy is pointing to chaotic events and saying "this is what will happen if Biden is elected" when it's what is happening right now while he's president. He is using Portland as an experiment to look tough.

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The rioters are 100% democrats. The leadership of the rioting cities is 100% democrat. You can slice it however you like, but this is what you democrats bring to the table.

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Exactly.

And their side would be the first to complain, and in fact, ARE doing so, if President Trump was to crackdown on it even harder the way it warrants and deserves.

This is all the Democratic Party and their press's fault. Not Trump's.

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A huge chunk of these protesters go way beyond being Democrats.

I sometimes call for the WWF or Heifer International and so many of them have left the corporate Democratic party for Greens, Socialists, and Anarchist

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Agree with that. And as you know, I don't even consider "liberals" as Left Marxists. But the Democratic Party leadership represents the Left more than it does liberals now, so it itself is indeed Left. Not people like Tulsi, but Pelosi definitely.

It actually more resembles a party of the MSM and not even liberal Democratic voters per-se. Really don't see anyone they have to vote for. They are in the same situation Republicans were before 2016 and sort of still are.

Thousands of people in downtown Portland again. The mayor is taking questions in the middle of the huge mob of people. It is crazy!