Feds aren't abandoning it, they are sending some of the reinforcements home. If the state doesn't live up to their bargain, the Feds will come back with a can of whoop ass.

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Feds aren't abandoning it, they are sending some of the reinforcements home. If the state doesn't live up to their bargain, the Feds will come back with a can of whoop ass.

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That's not what the governor is saying.

Gearing up for a conflict between state and federal authorities.

They aren't completely leaving no matter what governor flake says. USMS is staying for sure.

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if Portland won't take care of Portland, why should the United States government.

Portland is a cesspool of liberalism.

I'm sorry for the decent people who are collaterally affected, but they chose to live/work in this sh^thole.

The police should move out and give away the keys of the city to the Mayor.

Let it burn.

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This.

Let Portland BURN. It's what those jackholes deserve

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As long as they reimburse the federal government for the federal property they destroy I'm okay with it. Our taxes went into creating those structures.

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They aren't completely leaving no matter what governor flake says. USMS is staying for sure.

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And that's my concern. Governor is telling them one thing, granted she didn't say specifically that the federal marshals are leaving but the rioters are not going to understand the nuance.

That puts those who remain behind at even greater risk in my estimation.

It's not just the property, there are key legal documents still stored in the building that the Feds will not trust anyone but themselves to defend.

I hear you but they are big boys and girls and can take care of themselves.

Heck they've been under siege longer than Vicksburg in 1863.

If the governor was right this would be the equivalent of the Twiggs surrender in Texas in 1861. Trump isn't going to wear that badge like Buchanan does.

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Feds aren't abandoning it, they are sending some of the reinforcements home. If the state doesn't live up to their bargain, the Feds will come back with a can of whoop ass.

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That's not what the governor is saying.

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The conflicting statements makes me think that maybe the governor didn't understand what she was told. That or she purposefully left out the part that the state would need to step up it's game.

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Gearing up for a conflict between state and federal authorities.

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Sure looks that way to me. There are different triggering events for the invocation of the Insurrection Act. One of them is when the state and local authorities are unable to restore law and order, not refuse (although that also can trigger it) but simply overwhelmed.

Barr was listing the number and manner of injuries to federal LEOs yesterday. What happens when city PD, sheriff's department and state police ranks are thinned by such injuries? Maybe a Blue Flu as they refuse to put themselves in dangerous situations?

How many other nearby law enforcement departments will send their people in to help?

That's the risk.

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Feds aren't abandoning it, they are sending some of the reinforcements home. If the state doesn't live up to their bargain, the Feds will come back with a can of whoop ass.

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That's not what the governor is saying.

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The conflicting statements makes me think that maybe the governor didn't understand what she was told. That or she purposefully left out the part that the state would need to step up it's game.

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Jeebus! That governor is deliberately creating more problems, in my view.

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Feds aren't abandoning it, they are sending some of the reinforcements home. If the state doesn't live up to their bargain, the Feds will come back with a can of whoop ass.

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That's not what the governor is saying.

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The conflicting statements makes me think that maybe the governor didn't understand what she was told. That or she purposefully left out the part that the state would need to step up it's game.

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Jeebus! That governor is deliberately creating more problems, in my view.

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Same. Unfortunately I'm not surprised.

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Gearing up for a conflict between state and federal authorities.

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Sure looks that way to me. There are different triggering events for the invocation of the Insurrection Act. One of them is when the state and local authorities are unable to restore law and order, not refuse (although that also can trigger it) but simply overwhelmed.

Barr was listing the number and manner of injuries to federal LEOs yesterday. What happens when city PD, sheriff's department and state police ranks are thinned by such injuries? Maybe a Blue Flu as they refuse to put themselves in dangerous situations?

How many other nearby law enforcement departments will send their people in to help?

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So true. Unfortunately the way these governors and mayors are acting this might very well be the best case scenario.

She's 'feeding' her base.
Oh, and she's a liar.

Think of this as the Alamo (except this time the Texans win). The Feds will pull back to the chapel and the Long Barracks. The State will be manning the walls.

It's time to leave them to their fantasy world. If they elect people that can not deal with truth and facts, the rest of the country shouldn't have to pay to discipline them back into order.

Anyone that needs a social security check or USPS delivery should get in line at the Idaho or Nevada border.

So, according to the mob, rioters, and mayor the violence should technically stop. Right? The feds caused the riots and violence, so when they leave it's over...hippieland is back.

Now, Thursday when they are still rioting, who gets the blame? Bold move mayor cotton, bold move.

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So, according to the mob, rioters, and mayor the violence should technically stop. Right? The feds caused the riots and violence, so when they leave it's over...hippieland is back.

Now, Thursday when they are still rioting, who gets the blame? Bold move mayor cotton, bold move.

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White supremacists.

Calling it!

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Barr was listing the number and manner of injuries to federal LEOs yesterday. What happens when city PD, sheriff's department and state police ranks are thinned by such injuries? Maybe a Blue Flu as they refuse to put themselves in dangerous situations?

How many other nearby law enforcement departments will send their people in to help?

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Exactly. If the lynch mobs decide to try and burn the federal courthouse (which I suspect will happen in some measure) then the locals will accede to lynch mob demands. If I am a suburban or rural agency, why would I send officers or deputies into such a no-win situation?

I just wonder what the ROE will be for the state and local LEOs? Pepper spray? Rubber bullets? Tear gas?

Is the dips*** Portland Mayor going to allow the Portland Police to work alongside federal officers now? That would be a flip-flop. For the city council as well.

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Is the dips*** Portland Mayor going to allow the Portland Police to work alongside federal officers now? That would be a flip-flop. For the city council as well.

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I get the feeling each side is expecting something different from the other side than what is planned. This not likely to work out, IMO.

I have nothing to verify this other than observation of the parties past behavior. I think it is likely that the state is purposefully creating confusion to incite additional unrest between both citizens/federal agents and state and city police/federal agents.

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Is the dips*** Portland Mayor going to allow the Portland Police to work alongside federal officers now? That would be a flip-flop. For the city council as well.

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I get the feeling each side is expecting something different from the other side than what is planned. This not likely to work out, IMO.

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Agree. No one appears to be on the same page at all. But because of the stupid governor's tweet, the rioters think the feds have gone and they can take the courthouse tonight.

Tonight could be nasty.

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Yeah, about that. How about you stick it where the sun don't shine.

This is fun. It's like having two separate Defensive Coordinators. Can't wait for the kickoff and see who is responsible for what.

So the State Police and not the Portland PD??

Got the popcorn ready, need some good old fashioned beat downs ........don't talk about it..... do it.

Instead of federal agents, let's send in undercover film crews to record the orgies of destruction and chaos. Then, create a professionally produced documentary to show the American people exactly what is happening in the Democrat-controlled cities of America. Personally, I could care less if Seattle and Portland burn down and become a charred wasteland, but let's be sure we utilize the footage to demonstrate to Americans what will happen in THEIR towns and cities if they vote Democratic.

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Probably cheaper than having to build a new federal courthouse. Even if the Feds pay up....which they won't.

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Instead of federal agents, let's send in undercover film crews to record the orgies of destruction and chaos. Then, create a professionally produced documentary to show the American people exactly what is happening in the Democrat-controlled cities of America. Personally, I could care less if Seattle and Portland burn down and become a charred wasteland, but let's be sure we utilize the footage to demonstrate to Americans what will happen in THEIR towns and cities if they vote Democratic.

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Where do you think these oxygen thieves are going after Seattle and Portland burn down?

Those leftist a holes are freaking insane. There needs to be a reckoning. The aurvivors need to be left with the scars of their actions